The son of God is a SINNER

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BillG

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They're not a Christian organization and numbers don't equate to being truth, Matthew 7:13-14.

It's not the backing of God, it's the backing of the millions of those whom watchtower controls (if your allegations are totally true) and who give their money to this cult.
Mind you you it seems what is being said because it's so big then it has Gods backing, I suppose the Muslims would say the same along with other religions.

It obviously never enters their mind that it may be controlled by Satan.
 
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Did you know that there is no other website in the world that comes close to JW.org being the most translated website in the World on top of it, they are the largest Christian group in the world preaching the Good news of Gods kingdom .
No one even comes close to as well as having the worlds most distributed and read magazine that holds 1st and 2nd place. why is it that they hold all the world records in Christianity? It must be the backing of Jehovah God.

They told you that, didn't they?

I guess if you fell for several lies, they thought one more wouldn't hurt.;)
 
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Okay, I assumed the op was without any guile and just was trying out a riddle that fell flat. I see I was wrong. But I had fun with you guys anyway!

Take your joy and lack of guile with you today and approach everyone you can with it!

Have to go work with my hands some.

Have a lovely day, filled with peace in Him! :)
 
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Why is the son of God a sinner? anyone?
The Son of God speaks to the Spirit of Christ the Holy one Spirit of God not seen it cannot die.

The Son of man his temporal humamnity typified as sinfull did die during that one time demonstration of the lamb of God that was slain from the foundation of the world . He said his temproal flesh profits for nothing.


Romans 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh
Therefore forever more even though some did know him after that seen we know him no more forever more as if God had form to begin with
 

valiant

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Okay, it was a sort of...riddle, that fell a little flat. I see what your intent was. :)

I have a riddle. It's too easy though.
When I turned 53, I celebrated my 11th birthday. What am I?
a poor mathematician lol
 

valiant

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Did you know that there is no other website in the world that comes close to JW.org being the most translated website in the World on top of it, they are the largest Christian group in the world preaching the Good news of Gods kingdom .
No one even comes close to as well as having the worlds most distributed and read magazine that holds 1st and 2nd place. why is it that they hold all the world records in Christianity? It must be the backing of Jehovah God.

They are not a Christian group. And you should never trust your own statistics.
 

BillG

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They are not a Christian group. And you should never trust your own statistics.
Who was it that said "There are lies, then damn lies then statistics?
 

tribesman

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The Son of God is not a sinner. Who told you such damnable lie/s?
 
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if he is...


truthispower

i have a riddle for YOU

(please dont take this as an insult)

did Jesus lie? or is he God?

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


John 1:14 - And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



John 10:30
30 I and my Father are one.



John 8:58

“Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”
first lets diesect John 1:1

wheres the scriptures that megnify John 1:1 lets take a look

1.)Where in the beginning was the Word? Proverbs 8:20-32 this is jesus taking
Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,+
The earliest of his achievements of long ago.+

23 From ancient times* I was installed,+
From the start, from times earlier than the earth.+

24 When there were no deep waters,+ I was brought forth,*
When there were no springs overflowing with water.

25 Before the mountains were set in place,
Before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields
Or the first clods of earth’s soil.

27 When he prepared the heavens,+ I was there;
When he marked out the horizon* on the surface of the waters,+
28 When he established* the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29 When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,+
When he established* the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+

I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;+
31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth,
And I was especially fond of the sons of men.[FONT=&quot]*[/FONT]



2.) How was the Word (Jesus) with God in the Beginning?

Ge 1:26,27 [COLOR=#AD2052 !important]Then God said: “Let us+ make man in our image,+ according to our likeness,+ and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.”+ [/COLOR][COLOR=#AD2052 !important]27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them

'us' and 'our' are plural meaning more then one meaning someone was with him and talking.

i dont know if you know your translating history or not but when they were translating the word god to god there was no distinction between the two one had to decipher from false god or capital G God. so it could read:
[/COLOR]In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god. neathier in greek were there vowels like the letter A.
no insult taken but i may ask if you belive that the Father and jesus are one then it would also have to mean that you yourself and everyother christ follower will BECOME GOD and i say this becuase read this

[FONT=&quot]20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

so when he says one in us you have to believe that you will become God at some point, that's what the scripture says.
but you know that's not the truth so I ask you how do you hold onto a scripture that calls for one in each other to be the same, and in the very nature it's saying you will become God.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A [/FONT][FONT=&quot]man[/FONT][FONT=&quot] . . . must stick to his [/FONT][FONT=&quot]wife[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and[/FONT][FONT=&quot] they must become [/FONT][FONT=&quot]one[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]flesh[/FONT][FONT=&quot].”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]—[/FONT]GENESIS 2:24[FONT=&quot]. that doesn't mean they are to become the same person.

John 8:58 what were they talking about? Jesus age not who he was. he was not quoting something from Moses when they were talking about a time some 1,000 yrs or so before Moses that doesn't make sense and churches base that I AM off that belief when it should read:[/FONT]
Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”+ or i was but not I AM

Since I answered your questions, answer me this or anyone of the matter. Show me the prophecies of Jesus coming in the Hebrew scripture that support Jesus and God are the same person.Please im sincere I would like to see if anyone knows of any scripture telling about Jesus arrival before his birth on who he is.
 
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They told you that, didn't they?

I guess if you fell for several lies, they thought one more wouldn't hurt.;)
What is the world's most translated website?

To update the response to this question, as of May 11, 2015, the website of Jehovah's Witnesses (Jehovah's Witnesses—Official Website: jw.org) has beentranslated into approximately 537 languages. It is my understanding that this is vastly greater than any other website in the world.

What is the most translated website in the world? Why is it translated ...

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-translated-website-in-the-world-Why-is-it-tran...






Search for: What is the world's most translated website?


JUST GOOGLE IT ITS ALL TRUE

and that's out dated its more like 700 languages.
almost 3 yrs old
 

trofimus

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first lets diesect John 1:1

wheres the scriptures that megnify John 1:1 lets take a look

1.)Where in the beginning was the Word? Proverbs 8:20-32 this is jesus taking
Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,+
The earliest of his achievements of long ago.+

23 From ancient times* I was installed,+
From the start, from times earlier than the earth.+

24 When there were no deep waters,+ I was brought forth,*
When there were no springs overflowing with water.

25 Before the mountains were set in place,
Before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields
Or the first clods of earth’s soil.

27 When he prepared the heavens,+ I was there;
When he marked out the horizon* on the surface of the waters,+
28 When he established* the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29 When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,+
When he established* the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+

I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;+
31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth,
And I was especially fond of the sons of men.[FONT=&quot]*[/FONT]



2.) How was the Word (Jesus) with God in the Beginning?

Ge 1:26,27 [COLOR=#AD2052 !important]Then God said: “Let us+ make man in our image,+ according to our likeness,+ and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.”+ [/COLOR][COLOR=#AD2052 !important]27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them

'us' and 'our' are plural meaning more then one meaning someone was with him and talking.

i dont know if you know your translating history or not but when they were translating the word god to god there was no distinction between the two one had to decipher from false god or capital G God. so it could read:
[/COLOR]In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god. neathier in greek were there vowels like the letter A.
no insult taken but i may ask if you belive that the Father and jesus are one then it would also have to mean that you yourself and everyother christ follower will BECOME GOD and i say this becuase read this

[FONT=&quot]20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; [/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot]21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

so when he says one in us you have to believe that you will become God at some point, that's what the scripture says.
but you know that's not the truth so I ask you how do you hold onto a scripture that calls for one in each other to be the same, and in the very nature it's saying you will become God.

[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]A [/FONT][FONT=&quot]man[/FONT][FONT=&quot] . . . must stick to his [/FONT][FONT=&quot]wife[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]and[/FONT][FONT=&quot] they must become [/FONT][FONT=&quot]one[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]flesh[/FONT][FONT=&quot].”[/FONT][FONT=&quot]—[/FONT]GENESIS 2:24[FONT=&quot]. that doesn't mean they are to become the same person.

John 8:58 what were they talking about? Jesus age not who he was. he was not quoting something from Moses when they were talking about a time some 1,000 yrs or so before Moses that doesn't make sense and churches base that I AM off that belief when it should read:[/FONT]
Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”+ or i was but not I AM

Since I answered your questions, answer me this or anyone of the matter. Show me the prophecies of Jesus coming in the Hebrew scripture that support Jesus and God are the same person.Please im sincere I would like to see if anyone knows of any scripture telling about Jesus arrival before his birth on who he is.
Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.
In the beginning was the logos and the logos was with god and god was the logos.

What changed when we did not use capital letters? I think that nothing.
 

BillG

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#56
first lets diesect John 1:1

wheres the scriptures that megnify John 1:1 lets take a look

1.)Where in the beginning was the Word? Proverbs 8:20-32 this is jesus taking
Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,+
The earliest of his achievements of long ago.+

23 From ancient times* I was installed,+
From the start, from times earlier than the earth.+

24 When there were no deep waters,+ I was brought forth,*
When there were no springs overflowing with water.

25 Before the mountains were set in place,
Before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields
Or the first clods of earth’s soil.

27 When he prepared the heavens,+ I was there;
When he marked out the horizon* on the surface of the waters,+
28 When he established* the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29 When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,+
When he established* the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.+

I was the one he was especially fond of+ day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;+
31 I rejoiced over his habitable earth,
And I was especially fond of the sons of men.*



2.) How was the Word (Jesus) with God in the Beginning?

Ge 1:26,27 [COLOR=#AD2052 !important]Then God said: “Let us+ make man in our image,+ according to our likeness,+ and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every creeping animal that is moving on the earth.”+ [/COLOR][COLOR=#AD2052 !important]27 And God went on to create the man in his image, in God’s image he created him; male and female he created them

'us' and 'our' are plural meaning more then one meaning someone was with him and talking.

i dont know if you know your translating history or not but when they were translating the word god to god there was no distinction between the two one had to decipher from false god or capital G God. so it could read:
[/COLOR]In the beginning was the Word,+ and the Word was with God,+ and the Word was a god. neathier in greek were there vowels like the letter A.
no insult taken but i may ask if you belive that the Father and jesus are one then it would also have to mean that you yourself and everyother christ follower will BECOME GOD and i say this becuase read this

20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will[e] believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

so when he says one in us you have to believe that you will become God at some point, that's what the scripture says.
but you know that's not the truth so I ask you how do you hold onto a scripture that calls for one in each other to be the same, and in the very nature it's saying you will become God.

A man . . . must stick to his wifeand they must become oneflesh.”GENESIS 2:24. that doesn't mean they are to become the same person.

John 8:58 what were they talking about? Jesus age not who he was. he was not quoting something from Moses when they were talking about a time some 1,000 yrs or so before Moses that doesn't make sense and churches base that I AM off that belief when it should read:
Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to you, before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”+ or i was but not I AM

Since I answered your questions, answer me this or anyone of the matter. Show me the prophecies of Jesus coming in the Hebrew scripture that support Jesus and God are the same person.Please im sincere I would like to see if anyone knows of any scripture telling about Jesus arrival before his birth on who he is.
What bible are you quoting John 8:58 from?
 
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What is the world's most translated website?

To update the response to this question, as of May 11, 2015, the website of Jehovah's Witnesses (Jehovah's Witnesses—Official Website: jw.org) has beentranslated into approximately 537 languages. It is my understanding that this is vastly greater than any other website in the world.

What is the most translated website in the world? Why is it translated ...

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-most-translated-website-in-the-world-Why-is-it-tran...

Search for: What is the world's most translated website?


JUST GOOGLE IT ITS ALL TRUE

and that's out dated its more like 700 languages.
almost 3 yrs old

Aaannd, even if it is, it still doesn't make it correct.

No amount of translating can change a lie into the truth.
 
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Just because I say the son of God is a sinner you don't believe me. On the other note why is it that you haven't asked to which one of the sons of God whom I was referring to? Most people have this misconception about who this Son of God really is. Is it always right to think of Jesus when someone says, son of God, as it is to when someone says I believe in animals to always think of a dog as the only possibility?.
Are you mentally disordered, or just dumb?
 
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NoNameMcgee

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.Please im sincere I would like to see if anyone knows of any scripture telling about Jesus arrival before his birth on who he is.
i will ignore the butchering of scripture

adding to and taking from


but i will give you what you ask for



Isaiah 53

53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.

8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.