The Tantric Aspects of Biblical Solomonic Oral Sex and Breast Nursing

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These are but a few of the postures in Song of Solomon, yet all of them deal with aspects of oral sex. So what are your thoughts in these Solomonic postures of fellatio, cunnilingus and breast nursing? What are some of the higher meanings of these sexual postures to you when thinking about the tantric spiral of Shir ha-Shirim in relation to the rest of Scripture?

While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof. -- Sol. 1:12

As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste. -- Sol. 2:3

O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised. -- Sol. 8:1
 
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This post is a insult to Christianity . And what you wrote illustrates the dangers of Biblical illiteracy !!!!!


The song shows Christ . relationship with His church !!! Your Not understanding this song or whats even written therein ! : /

We need to study the Bible!
 
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I understand its a mature song, but we need to mature to the point, were we can understand Christian writings, and the deeper meanings of it............................

That song is NOT a sex guide !!! Ignorance is Never bliss .
 
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So, I'm going to assume then that you're saying that all of this only has surface level meaning or pertains only to Christ and the Ecclesia.

The Shulamite literally wished that Solomon would turn into her baby brother who used to suck the breasts of her mother, for some unknown reason.

No possible double or triple entendre is going on here, but rather the Shulamite is literally thankful for Solomon giving her a fruit basket under a shade tree.

And the Shulamite always made certain to bring some special fragrance for the King's evening cuisine.

Ok. Fine. If that's all you wish to see, then I guess there's really nothing left to discuss.

I was hoping to get into some of the spiritual aspects of the Isral/body connection as spoken of in the work.

I hold Song of Solomon to be the single great tantric weaving in the history of the genre from the ancient east and also the least known and certainly the least practiced.
 
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So, I'm going to assume then that you're saying that all of this only has surface level meaning or pertains only to Christ .

NO i said there is More then what is on the surface ! And your Only seeing the surface. This having to do with Christ is Not surface level stuff...


But what your saying is surface. -_-
 
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NO i said there is More then what is on the surface ! And your Only seeing the surface. Im done.
Hey, I'm all about fruit baskets and Jesus. Don't get me wrong.

I was just mistaken into the idea that it might also actually have something to do with spiritual/physical sexuality and might unveil the mysteries and meanings of it through a Hebraic experiential tantra that is sitting hidden in plain sight.

But who am I to take away one's garden of pomegranates.
 
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It is certainly a very sexual piece of work.
But today everyone is mis-taught that sex is nasty.

God uses sex to bring new lives into the world, but it's too "nasty" to depict the Christ/Bride union?
Not in my opinion. I'm so glad this book is in the bible to challenge our horrible viewpoint that sex is somehow dirty.
 
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Look, im sorry for my response. But it aggravates me sometimes to see people not bother to look at this closely .


Song of Solomon 1:2 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth: for thy love is better than wine."

The girl begins to speak. There are two meanings within this. You know the feeling that you get when you are in a close embrace with the one you love, when you take the kiss of the mouth of your love. In the phrase, "for thy love is better than wine," draws our attention to what we have to remember Christ by, the Holy Communion.
It would be better to have Christ here in person, but until then, we have the sweetness of the wine to remember Him by.

Song of Solomon 1:3 "Because of the savour of thy good ointments thy name is as ointment poured forth, therefore do the virgins love thee."

It is precious when we brake this back into the Hebrew. This girl that has just spoken, is known as the Shulamite. "Shulamite" means "a double resting place". Many people rest in only one place in Christ, when this calls attention that there is a double rest, for those that have eyes to see, with understanding.

Christ looks forward to the time of being with His virgin bride, speaking spiritually, and let it be that we can remain true to Him, and that we remain alert and not deceived, and remain a virgin in a spiritual sense until the coming of Jesus Christ. Remember the parable of the ten virgins ?

Song of Solomon 1:4 "Draw me, we will run after thee: the king hath brought me into his chamber: we will be glad and rejoice in thee, we will remember thy love more than wine: the upright love thee."

The "upright ones" are the "just", or those that are justified, meaning God's elect. They are the ones that love Christ. This girl [Shulamite], having loved the Shepherd boy, her brothers put her to hard labor work in the vineyard to brake up her relationship with the shepherd boy. Therefore she became a country girl. She spent many long hours in the vineyard.

Song of Solomon 1:5 "I am black, but comely, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon."

Black - 7838 shachor (shaw-khore');or shachowr (shaw-khore'); from 7835; properly, dusky, but also (absol.) jetty: KJV-- black.

"Black" here in the Hebrew text is "tanned by the sun". This girl is describing her own appearance in her beauty. She had been in the sun working the vineyards, and while working there her skin had become very dark. The "tents of Kedar" were all black, just as were "the curtains of Solomon". The "daughters of Jerusalem" were those of Solomon's court which sat by the pool all day, exposing themselves to the sun. So we see that this girl [Shulamite] was beautiful, well worked unlike the other wives, and very tanned from a long time under the sun.

Song of Solomon 1:6 "Look not upon me, because I am black, because the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were angry with me; they made me the keeper of the vineyards; but mine own vineyard have I not kept."

The Shulamite girl speaks and says; "Don't look down on me because I am dark, and not white skinned as you city girls. I am this way because my "mother's children" my brothers were angry with me, and made me stay in the vineyard."

The analogy that applies here is; God's elect have a vineyard to attend from the chief vine dresser, and He that does the pruning, the Almighty God. When you are in the work of the Lord tending to that vine, your brothers will also grow angry [even your blood brothers] for the work that you are giving and the time that you are spending. That work and place is where Christ has led you to do and be. This girl, relating here to Christ wife is [the elect]. The elect is not affected because by the anger that her brothers have given to her, for what is important to her is the service that she gave to the Shepherd, and her love for Him, during that long while that He is away.


There is a deeper meaning of Christ and His church. If your not familiar with What the Bible teaches in whole, then these truths will pass from your attention ...


I'll post a new thread with a Bible study for this song. One that is good.
 
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I don't see any tantric sex in the Song of Solomon.
The words are straight and they are real.
Just like God is straight forward and marriage is real.
 

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There is a grave danger to those that attempt to warp Scripture to condone their sexual appetites. I have studied and read Song of Solomon numerous times and have never, ever seen sodomy in the words.
 
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These are but a few of the postures in Song of Solomon, yet all of them deal with aspects of oral sex. So what are your thoughts in these Solomonic postures of fellatio, cunnilingus and breast nursing? What are some of the higher meanings of these sexual postures to you when thinking about the tantric spiral of Shir ha-Shirim in relation to the rest of Scripture?

While the king sitteth at his table, my spikenard sendeth forth the smell thereof. -- Sol. 1:12

As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste. -- Sol. 2:3

O that thou wert as my brother, that sucked the breasts of my mother! when I should find thee without, I would kiss thee; yea, I should not be despised. -- Sol. 8:1
Sucking from the same woman breast is a phrase like the phrase eating from the same table. But if you want to imagine it to be sexual poem, then so be it; do whatever it takes to improve your sex life.
 
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Intriguing responses.

I suppose we should leave the Shulamite's injunction for the Stag to leap up between her mountains of spicy Bether for another thread as she apparently was quite fond of a certain deer around the greater ancient Judean region.
 
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What a disgusting thread.
 
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Why don't people just report, rather than keep bumping the thread?
 
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Interpretations of the Song have been legion, and there is little agreement among scholars as to its origin, meaning and purpose. The vividly detailed, erotic lyrics, the virtual absence of overt religious themes, and the vagueness of its plot make it a challenge to scholarship and a temptation to imaginative ingenuity. Indispensable to the study of the varieties of interpretation is H. H. Rowley’s essay ‘The Interpretation of the Song of Songs’ in The Servant of the Lord, 1952.

The most egregious errors in the interpretation of this book arise because of a failure or unwillingness to recognize its proper poetic quality. The imagery is too often treated as allegory in the negative sense, the characters and the images standing for persons or qualities for which there are no hints in the text itself. Or the literary allusions are turned into real people and events, as happens in the various dramatic interpretations of the Song.

But the Song is neither allegory nor drama. There is no plot or narrative, and no historical characters are involved, except by allusion (Song 3:7; 8:10–12). Rather, the Song is composed of loosely connected lyric poetry that expresses an emotion, indeed one of the most powerful of emotions: love. A prose description of love would not be as powerful. The poetic imagery expresses an emotion that transcends simple statement. It preserves a level of mystery and appeals to more than the mind-to the whole person.

Dominating everything else in the Song is the fact that it is a collection of pastoral love poetry. The conventions of pastoral, one of the most common literary conventions at every stage in the history of literature, are easy to grasp: the setting is rustic, the characters are shepherds and shepherdesses (usually a fictional disguise), and the actions are those customarily done by shepherds and shepherdesses.

Pastoral love poetry, specifically, adds wooing and courtship to the activities performed by the characters. In pastoral love poetry, nature supplies most of the images by which the lovers express their romantic passions, including their praise of the beloved. Subtypes of pastoral love poetry include the invitation to love (an invitation to the beloved to stroll in a flowery and fruitful landscape is a metaphoric invitation to marriage and the life of mutual love [Song 2:10–15; 7:10–13]) and the emblematic blazon or waṣf (the beloved is praised by cataloging his or her beautiful features and comparing them to objects in nature [Song 4:1–7; 5:10–16; 6:4–7; 7:1–5]).

The metaphors of the book consistently draw upon nature, but it is important to realize that the correspondence is not primarily based on visual similarity. The point of the comparisons is instead the value that the speaker finds in his or her beloved. The lovers and their love are compared to the best things in nature. The poetic mode of the Song is not pictorial but emotional and sensuous in nonvisual ways (including tactile and olfactory). More than anything else, images of nature portray the quality of the beloved, and here we can see evidence of the Hebrew fondness for structure and for how things are formed.

One of the paradoxes of pastoral poetry is that it arose only with the rise of cities and civilization. Images of a royal court, with all its wealth and opulence, frequently break through the fictional façade of the Song’s pastoral world. The world of the Song is filled with expensive clothes, perfumes, rich foods, gems and erotic leisure.

a series of metaphors in the Song which arise from the family. Interestingly, there is little marital imagery as such-no references to husband and wife (except perhaps when the man refers to the woman as his "bride" [Song 4:8–12; 5:1]), but there are significant references to mothers and siblings.

The mothers of the woman and the man support the relationship (Song 6:9; 8:5). The home of the former is a secure place for intimacy (Song 3:4; 8:2). Interestingly, the fathers are never mentioned in the Song; the woman’s brothers seem to take the place of her father. As opposed to her mother, the brothers are an obstacle to love’s intimacy, and she struggles to be free of their influence (Song 1:5–7; 8:8–12).

At one point the woman declares her wish that her lover were her brother, so that she might be intimate with him publicly as well as privately (Song 8:1). On the other hand, the man will often endearingly refer to his beloved as "his sister" (Song 4:9–10, 12; 5:1–2).

The imagery of the Song is pastoral, passionate, erotic, sensuous, hyperbolic, metaphoric and affective. The style aims at an association of feelings and values rather than visual correspondence, and the imagery is symbolic rather than pictorial, figurative rather than literal.

So if the Song is not an allegory or type conveying a spiritual message nor meant to be taken literally, what place does it have in the Canon?

A fair question. It serves as an object-lesson, an extended māšāl (*Proverb), illustrating the rich wonders of human love. As biblical teaching concerning physical love has been emancipated from sub-Christian asceticism, the beauty and purity of marital love have been more fully appreciated. The Song, though expressed in language too bold for Western taste, provides a wholesome balance between the extremes of sexual excess or perversion and an ascetic denial of the essential goodness of physical love.


Bibliography. W. Baumgartner, in OTMS, pp. 230–235; J. C. Rylaarsdam, Proverbs to Song of Solomon, 1964; W. J. Fuerst, Ruth, Esther, Ecclesiastes, The Song of Songs, Lamentations, 1975; S. C. Glickman, A Song for Lovers, 1976; H. J. Schonfield, The Song of Songs, 1960; J. C. Exum, ‘A Literary and Structural Analysis of the Song of Songs’ ZAW 85 1973 pp. 47–79; R. Gordis, The Song of Songs, 1954; L. Waterman, The Song of Songs, 1948.
 
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Why don't people just report, rather than keep bumping the thread?
I was not sure he was doing anything intentionally or what hes reasoning was really. Thats why i did not bother with that. I said my peace. maybe others can see more then I can.
 

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Sex is always a taboo subject in the church. It would have been nice to see the biblical rebuff to 1 disciples' suggestions as opposed the labelling.
 
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Sex is always a taboo subject in the church. It would have been nice to see the biblical rebuff to 1 disciples' suggestions as opposed the labelling.
Scripture was given. In the form of a video study of two hours worth . He listened to the first minute, because the voice of the speaker sounded boring, after one minute he gave up. I started a separate thread. Either way there was a response which he didn't care to hear.


I also posted scripture below .
 
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