The Thrill is Gone

[wattie]

Thanks, Dan!



That's a tough question. As Pilate asked, "What is truth?" It appears that Jesus did not know the answer. Truth is tricky, and some people doubt there is any absolute truth. I believe there is truth, and I'd define it as an accurate assessment of reality. I do not considering magically parting seas, people surviving being swallowed by fish for three days, walking on water, and rising from the grave to be part of reality. As far as I can tell, such events are impossible.

As for a "source" of truth, I don't believe there is any one source. My five senses are good tools to know truth, and the word of other people can sometimes be a source of truth.

I hope I answered your question.

Sorry thought I'd jump in.

Consider the most probable historical facts from Jesus and the NT.. (We can't get 100 percent certainty.. but these are what most historians worth their salt agree on)

1) Jesus really lived
2) Jesus was truly crucified and died on the cross
3) The tomb is empty

Now..

This doesn't say Jesus rose from the grave.. but if you study this historical evidence for yourself.. you will find as others have that that is the most probable conclusion from the historical evidence.


Of course..

This in the end is not the issue.. it comes down to your heart and what you are doing with it in relation to Jesus.

 

[Utah]

There may be some wisdom and understanding in the Bible, but much of it is foolishness and obfuscation. Few if any Christians obey its dictates which is a tacit admission that it is best not to live up to its teachings.

Wow, one of the truest posts in CC history. You're right, the Bible is mostly foolishness, especially that whole, Jesus resurrecting from the dead and giving eternal life to those who have faith in Him, nonsense. You're so smart.

As far as tangibility, winds have ceased and storms have been redirected on account of God hearing my prayers, and I couldn't care less that you won't believe that.

Comparing God to heroin -- have a nice day, fool.

 

[dcontroversal]

Wow, one of the truest posts in CC history. You're right, the Bible is mostly foolishness, especially that whole, Jesus resurrecting from the dead and giving eternal life to those who have faith in Him, nonsense. You're so smart.

As far as tangibility, winds have ceased and storms have been redirected on account of God hearing my prayers, and I couldn't care less that you won't believe that.

Comparing God to heroin -- have a nice day, fool.

HAHHAH and he is right on one account....the word is foolishness to the natural man which cannot see, know, discern or judge the word of God...because the words are spiritually discerned.......comparing spiritual with spiritual

 

[Utah]

HAHHAH and he is right on one account....the word is foolishness to the natural man which cannot see, know, discern or judge the word of God...because the words are spiritually discerned.......comparing spiritual with spiritual

Amen to this, bro. Thanks for re-directing me. I sometimes forget what is written in Romans about the Gospel being foolishness to unbelievers.

 

[dcontroversal]

If you are doubtful of Christianity---I know how you feel----God became real to me in the mid 70's----taking 200 acid trips (LSD)---seeing Zepplin Pink Floyd ect.-------I only cared about a fifth of scotch and a joint----religion----don't get me started----the guy I smoked weed with got "saved"----I was tripping on Budda----taking World Religion Course in Chicago---started seeking the truth----God's Spirit started manifesting to me----when you encounter God---it will change you---don't expect you to be convinced with words----I never was----ask God to prove He is read----buckle your seat belt...

Amen.....seems that many believers have similar stories.....God calls the base foolish things of the world to confound the wise.....He gets the most glory from saving those who are deemed "worthless" by society......

I came from a similar background (drugs).....thank God he woke both of us up!

 

[dcontroversal]

Amen to this, bro. Thanks for re-directing me. I sometimes forget what is written in Romans about the Gospel being foolishness to unbelievers.

Iron sharpens iron and I have gleaned much from you as well over the last xx years reading posts HAHAH

 

[Grandpa]

Amen to this, bro. Thanks for re-directing me. I sometimes forget what is written in Romans about the Gospel being foolishness to unbelievers.

If the things in the bible really were so far-fetched I wonder why it has survived for so long?

How did it become the worlds most popular and widely distributed book?

On the one hand, you must think you are one of the smartest people in the world to scoff at what has taken to be truth for thousands of years.

On the other hand, you must not be that smart if you haven't read it and researched for yourself.

 

[joaniemarie]

The reasons I've felt the way the OP has described is because I didnt know Jesus will do the keeping of my soul and spirit. I used to depend on my abilities to keep me right and wrongly believed my "mood" then would be positive. But the truth is my humaness is rather nutty at times and can't be leaned on or depended on for the reality of my situation.

I don't try to do Jesus job anymore now that I know., and have since been free of the OPs struggle. It's a struggle Jesus particularly no longer wants us in. He gave us also the Holy Spirit to teach us about how to accept His keeping of our soul,spirit and body in His care.

If we don't "feel" His love we have to accept it by faith in that He said it and is good to His word and can and must be believed. If not., we will go out into space mentally like a space ship or ship in the big ocean with no bearings or anchor. (just what our enemy wants) But faith in Jesus love keeps us anchored because He and His love is real. He is a certain help in time of need and we always need.

 

[pottersclay]

Thanks, Dan!



That's a tough question. As Pilate asked, "What is truth?" It appears that Jesus did not know the answer. Truth is tricky, and some people doubt there is any absolute truth. I believe there is truth, and I'd define it as an accurate assessment of reality. I do not considering magically parting seas, people surviving being swallowed by fish for three days, walking on water, and rising from the grave to be part of reality. As far as I can tell, such events are impossible.

As for a "source" of truth, I don't believe there is any one source. My five senses are good tools to know truth, and the word of other people can sometimes be a source of truth.

I hope I answered your question.

It's because truth was standing right in front of him. All we need to do is embrace it, it will prove it's self.
You have no power to change, but Jesus has the power to change you, your situation, your life.
All he asks that you believe.

 

[UnknownSolidier]

how do you decide if a person's words are true, if the only other source you accept is sensory data?

If I only have another person's word, then I try to judge it for its plausibility. Also, I judge it by the person. I ask if that person is honest and sensible. As I hope you can see, much of the Bible fails to live up to these criteria.

what do you see as the common ground between yourself and others on which to base discussions here at CC?

We all appear to be familiar with the Bible. It is my hope that we all respect the truth. I do.

 

[Dan_473]

If I only have another person's word, then I try to judge it for its plausibility. Also, I judge it by the person. I ask if that person is honest and sensible. As I hope you can see, much of the Bible fails to live up to these criteria.



We all appear to be familiar with the Bible. It is my hope that we all respect the truth. I do.

but... the plausibility probably relates back to the sensory data doesn't it?


yes, we are all familiar with the bible... but you don't consider it to be about reliable source for truth, so... where is the common ground?

 

[UnknownSolidier]

You're right, the Bible is mostly foolishness, especially that whole, Jesus resurrecting from the dead and giving eternal life to those who have faith in Him, nonsense.

People don't really care about gods. What really matters is that they might live forever in a paradise. Some god or other is merely a means to an end.

As far as tangibility, winds have ceased and storms have been redirected on account of God hearing my prayers...

When and where exactly did you pray away a storm? Pat Robertson believes he prayed away a hurricane.

...and I couldn't care less that you won't believe that.

Then why did you tell me?

...fool.

You need to consider the words of your lord and savior:

...whosoever shall say, Thou Fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Matthew 5:22

Like I said, Many Christians tacitly admit that the Bible's dictates are not to be obeyed when they disobey those commandments.

 

[UnknownSolidier]

I sometimes forget what is written in Romans about the Gospel being foolishness to unbelievers.

Handling poisonous snakes and drinking poison should be considered foolishness to anybody!

 

[pottersclay]

Handling poisonous snakes and drinking poison should be considered foolishness to anybody!

That's not foolishness that's stupidity, that's not Christianity my friend it's one of the deceptive lies that names it self Christianity.
My question for you is do you believe in God?

 

[UnknownSolidier]

...that's not Christianity my friend it's one of the deceptive lies that names it self Christianity.

Did you ever read Mark 16: 17-18?

And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues;they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all...

Is this passage one of those "lies"? I must say, to be fair, that this passage was inserted into Mark by Christians and did not appear in Mark until later. The early Christians were notorious for these kind of forgeries.

My question for you is do you believe in God?

I don't believe in any gods although I used to believe in the Bible god. Which god do you believe in if any?

 

[JosephsDreams]

Unknown, why did you join this site?

 

[maxwel]

There may be some wisdom and understanding in the Bible, but much of it is foolishness and obfuscation. Few if any Christians obey its dictates which is a tacit admission that it is best not to live up to its teachings.


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If you believe the Bible is foolishness...

why are you wasting your time on a website where people believe, and talk about, the bible?

 

[pottersclay]

Did you ever read Mark 16: 17-18?



Is this passage one of those "lies"? I must say, to be fair, that this passage was inserted into Mark by Christians and did not appear in Mark until later. The early Christians were notorious for these kind of forgeries.



I don't believe in any gods although I used to believe in the Bible god. Which god do you believe in if any?

I believe in the God of the bible, of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob.

Why did you stop believing may I ask?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Thread on... What hinders our Fire ----- our walk---- with the Lord-----* prayerlessness. **lack of Bible reading
*** no Church attendance. ****sin----______________? ***** unforgiveness. ******sowing and reaping----- watch what you sow. *******selfishness-----? Regained Your Fire---- Grace and Peace

God has chosen to operate His work from the basis of faith. "The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus" (Romans 8:2) is God's prescribed order of victory for the Believer over sin, the world, the flesh, and the Devil. This means that the Believer must maintained Faith exclusively in Christ and His Finished Work, i.e., The Cross, i.e., The Blood of Jesus. This allows the Holy Spirit to help us as we grow in grace and change us into Christlikeness. The Holy Spirit only works in the parameters of Jesus Christ and His Finished Work at Calvary's Cross. Only the Holy Spirit can mortify the deeds of the flesh (Romans 8:13).

This is why the Holy Spirit had King David towards the end of his life write: For I have kept the ways of the Lord (2 Samuel 22:22; Psalm 18:21).

Psalm 69:9; John 2:17 - For the zeal of thine house hath eaten me up...; (That speaks of the zeal of the Holy Spirit on the inside that has consumed him.) This is a Righteous Servant of God in His Passion for God's Honor.

 

[wattie]

Handling poisonous snakes and drinking poison should be considered foolishness to anybody!

What the apostles and disciples were doing were EXCEPTIONS to the rule man! God was working with them in a special way in the establishment of the early churches.

Not that you would care for context