When Chrst said it is finished the veil used to represent His coming was rent.The refomation had come. No longer was the flesh of a Jew neded in cerimoinail laws as shjadows and types .The time of Jabobs trouble had begun it wil continue to the end of time. God is no respecter of persons.Flesh gives birh to flesh, the Spirit of God gives birth to our new incoruptible spiriits that will never die
The time of Jacob's troubles
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I would offer as many that the Father has given to the Son called the elect,they alone will come. (not one more or one less).
Those who are dead asleep will arise first and receive their new incorruptible bodies which will be niether Jew nor Gentile, male or female. Those reigning on earth with Christ will follow and both in the twinkling of the eye will be changed forever
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and "now is", when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
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A few minor problems (actually more than just minor)
1. Isreal was not gathered in the first century, They remained slaves of rome, and all we have to do is read pauls letters to see no matter where he went in the gentile nations, Jews were always living there and being a hinderance to him, even attacking him, which brings us to the next point.
2. They did not repent. In fact, up even until today, they are blinded in part. At the end of Jaccpbs trouble, Isreal is supposed to repent. Her "blindness in part) will have been removed, and as paul said, ALL ISREAL will be saved.
3. Jer 30:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
This has not yet occurred. In ad 70 for the first time in Israels history. they were completely scattered abroad, removed from their land (even under the gentile captivity starting with babylon, they still lived in the land, even had puppet kings) And the nations who treated Israel badly has not yet been punished..
Ezekiel says the same thing.
Ezek 37:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; [SUP]22 [/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. [SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.
Same thing,,
1. He will not let them go unpunished for their sins
2. He will return them from the nations where he sent them
3. He will give them the land he gave abraham and the fathers (not heaven, The land in the middle east of present day earth)
4. They will repent, and he will restore them.
in fact, it is said in many places same story.. Paul mentions it in Romans 11.
1. Isreal was not gathered in the first century, They remained slaves of rome, and all we have to do is read pauls letters to see no matter where he went in the gentile nations, Jews were always living there and being a hinderance to him, even attacking him, which brings us to the next point.
2. They did not repent. In fact, up even until today, they are blinded in part. At the end of Jaccpbs trouble, Isreal is supposed to repent. Her "blindness in part) will have been removed, and as paul said, ALL ISREAL will be saved.
3. Jer 30:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]‘Therefore do not fear, O My servant Jacob,’ says the Lord,
‘Nor be dismayed, O Israel;
For behold, I will save you from afar,
And your seed from the land of their captivity.
Jacob shall return, have rest and be quiet,
And no one shall make him afraid.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For I am with you,’ says the Lord, ‘to save you;
Though I make a full end of all nations where I have scattered you,
Yet I will not make a complete end of you.
But I will correct you in justice,
And will not let you go altogether unpunished.’
This has not yet occurred. In ad 70 for the first time in Israels history. they were completely scattered abroad, removed from their land (even under the gentile captivity starting with babylon, they still lived in the land, even had puppet kings) And the nations who treated Israel badly has not yet been punished..
Ezekiel says the same thing.
Ezek 37:
[SUP]21 [/SUP]“Then say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “Surely I will take the children of Israel from among the nations, wherever they have gone, and will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land; [SUP]22 [/SUP]and I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king over them all; they shall no longer be two nations, nor shall they ever be divided into two kingdoms again. [SUP]23 [/SUP]They shall not defile themselves anymore with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions; but I will deliver them from all their dwelling places in which they have sinned, and will cleanse them. Then they shall be My people, and I will be their God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“David My servant shall be king over them, and they shall all have one shepherd; they shall also walk in My judgments and observe My statutes, and do them. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Then they shall dwell in the land that I have given to Jacob My servant, where your fathers dwelt; and they shall dwell there, they, their children, and their children’s children, forever; and My servant David shall be their prince forever.
Same thing,,
1. He will not let them go unpunished for their sins
2. He will return them from the nations where he sent them
3. He will give them the land he gave abraham and the fathers (not heaven, The land in the middle east of present day earth)
4. They will repent, and he will restore them.
in fact, it is said in many places same story.. Paul mentions it in Romans 11.
E
the two wintesses are two literal men, Who will be killed. their bodies will lie on the streets, people all over the earth will look at their two bodies. for three days, then they will miraculously be given life. and raise from the dead. and ascend into heaven,
The witness I am sure will bring many people to God..
The point is, It is not the law and prophets, It is men, who witness according to the law and prophets. (just like Paul did when he argiued from the law and prophets to prove Jesus was the messiah.
The witness I am sure will bring many people to God..
The point is, It is not the law and prophets, It is men, who witness according to the law and prophets. (just like Paul did when he argiued from the law and prophets to prove Jesus was the messiah.
Please review John 5
i think you overlooked John 5:28 through 5:29
You provided the scripture for those who have heard the VOICE of THE SON of GOD now
John 5:28 through 29 refers to those who hear the VOUCE of THE SON of GOD at the end of all these things: After the end of this present ministry of reconciliation , When all has been accomplished and the full numbers in CHRIST are complete and HE has put the last of HIS enemies under HIM
Referring to your other post: Yes the veil was rent but still some remain outside the TRUE VEIL
i think you overlooked John 5:28 through 5:29
You provided the scripture for those who have heard the VOICE of THE SON of GOD now
John 5:28 through 29 refers to those who hear the VOUCE of THE SON of GOD at the end of all these things: After the end of this present ministry of reconciliation , When all has been accomplished and the full numbers in CHRIST are complete and HE has put the last of HIS enemies under HIM
Referring to your other post: Yes the veil was rent but still some remain outside the TRUE VEIL
of course they were. Palestine was full of them
Israel were a specially privileged nation, allies rather than servants, under Rome
they were the dispersion, those who had not gathered back
And will always be so,
all the true Israel, the elect.
Only according to YOU. But they did return in 4th to !st centuries BC
Then began the time of Jacob's trouble
4th to 1st centuries BC
fulfilled under Zerubbabel. The word for 'forever' actually means 'into the hidden future.'
fulfilled in the Messiah
fulfilled in intertestamental years
Funny that I did not see it there?
Israel were a specially privileged nation, allies rather than servants, under Rome
they were the dispersion, those who had not gathered back
And will always be so,
all the true Israel, the elect.
Only according to YOU. But they did return in 4th to !st centuries BC
Then began the time of Jacob's trouble
4th to 1st centuries BC
fulfilled under Zerubbabel. The word for 'forever' actually means 'into the hidden future.'
fulfilled in the Messiah
fulfilled in intertestamental years
Funny that I did not see it there?
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I was full of cake last not also. But I did not eat it all. There was cake scattered all over my house. Just like there were jews scattered all over the roman empire.
read the passages, It says he will restor them all from the place they had been scattered.. Alot does not equal all.
Yep. that is why they wanted Jesus to remove them from the burden of being a slave to rome. A slave is a slave is a slave..
The things people will do to water down things to make it appear to have been true.. I am thankful when God fulfills prophesy, he does it in a way no one can question if it was done or not..
but still, people want to symbolise it, or make a partial so called fulfillment a full fulfillment.
The passages I just showed prove otherwise As well as the many other passages I have not shown, And pauls words himself. They will ALL be saved, they will ALL be restored.
If you do not want to believe it, thats fine, but me, I have to take God at his word.
Paul says otherwise.. The elect in this day are enemies concerning the gospel but loved concerning the election, Because Gods promises are irrevocable..
But hey,, Again, believe as you wish.. I take God to say if he says it, he means it, and he will never relent.
Yep. Because they repented. And God destroyed the land and people who enslaved them..
Not!
Same old song and dance, We must read different bibles.. Or maybe in reality, We do listen to different men..
read the passages, It says he will restor them all from the place they had been scattered.. Alot does not equal all.
Yep. that is why they wanted Jesus to remove them from the burden of being a slave to rome. A slave is a slave is a slave..
The things people will do to water down things to make it appear to have been true.. I am thankful when God fulfills prophesy, he does it in a way no one can question if it was done or not..
but still, people want to symbolise it, or make a partial so called fulfillment a full fulfillment.
The passages I just showed prove otherwise As well as the many other passages I have not shown, And pauls words himself. They will ALL be saved, they will ALL be restored.
If you do not want to believe it, thats fine, but me, I have to take God at his word.
Paul says otherwise.. The elect in this day are enemies concerning the gospel but loved concerning the election, Because Gods promises are irrevocable..
But hey,, Again, believe as you wish.. I take God to say if he says it, he means it, and he will never relent.
Yep. Because they repented. And God destroyed the land and people who enslaved them..
Not!
Same old song and dance, We must read different bibles.. Or maybe in reality, We do listen to different men..
I would offer the two witness are the law and the prophets (sola scriptura) Something that the apostate Jews called heresy.
The word of God in respect to the same spirit of faith according as it is written is the witness by which we can hear God who remains without form.
We as new creatures(the bride of Christ) walk by faith and not after the flesh as that seen.
The word of God in respect to the same spirit of faith according as it is written is the witness by which we can hear God who remains without form.
We as new creatures(the bride of Christ) walk by faith and not after the flesh as that seen.