The Tithe

[iwant2serve]

There many who believe that tithing is now for the church today and it is a form of bondage. While others believe that it is still a practice the believer should do. The side people take who say we no longer tithe say we are not under the law and there are several passages of scriptures that support that we are not. Another is let every man give as he has purposed in his heart 2 Cor 9:7. There are others but these two are used the most. Those who support tithing use OT verses like Malachi 3:8-11. Also Lev 27:30-32, before there was a law Gen 28:20+22 and Gen 14:18-20. There are two passages in the NT that are rarely mentioned though, Matt 23-23 and 1 Cor 3-15.
I myself believer we should tithe as a believer but if it is not done out of LOVE and FAITH then it profits nothing which was the problem with the Jews under the law. There was nothing wrong with the law of God because God's ways will always stand. The problem was the people that did not do the law by faith but works Romans 9:31-32

 

[Need2Know]

"Satan hasn't a single salaried helper; the Opposition employ a million."

Mark Twain

 

[4enlightment]

There many who believe that tithing is now for the church today and it is a form of bondage. While others believe that it is still a practice the believer should do. The side people take who say we no longer tithe say we are not under the law and there are several passages of scriptures that support that we are not. Another is let every man give as he has purposed in his heart 2 Cor 9:7. There are others but these two are used the most. Those who support tithing use OT verses like Malachi 3:8-11. Also Lev 27:30-32, before there was a law Gen 28:20+22 and Gen 14:18-20. There are two passages in the NT that are rarely mentioned though, Matt 23-23 and 1 Cor 3-15.
I myself believer we should tithe as a believer but if it is not done out of LOVE and FAITH then it profits nothing which was the problem with the Jews under the law. There was nothing wrong with the law of God because God's ways will always stand. The problem was the people that did not do the law by faith but works Romans 9:31-32

Yes, they'd performed them without understanding the purpose of them; and which they had careless about them which made them a slave to the laws. Paying someone to help them to support their ministery in order to help others that are lost to find the way to redemption and so that they can share in the glory of God it is called loving thy neighbor, and which it is also showing love to God; because they are making God into the major factor over all things.

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

Tithing was the order and answer of God for the ministry of the old testament offering of sacrifices for sins, well for us gentiles under the sacrificial covenant that Jesus gave for us, if you desire by agape to give to God and support the gospel do not mention the tithe, give with heeding: not to let others know how much or when or to be observed by others, but give freely and generously to God, which pleases Him, love those laboring in the ministry of Jesus by meeting their needs in love not excessively because of the trap and snare of wealth and temptation of covetousness by the ministers, give expressions of Agape because you are being feed real effective spiritual food.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Today's tithing is an income tax. No such thing in the bible...

 

[Need2Know]

Hmm do you think I could use that in my defense when I refuse to pay tax?

 

[AgapeSpiritEyes]

yes here in the u.s. some or all as an itemized deduction charity(agape, love)

 

[iwant2serve]

Today's tithing is an income tax. No such thing in the bible...

Tithing was not a tax.

 

[Need2Know]

I don't get why the church needs money.

Same as I don't understand why churches have lightning rod on the roof. Doesnt that show a lack of confidence?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Tithing was not a tax.

That's correct. What is called tithing today, though, is a 10% income tax. Completely unbiblical..

 

[Donkeyfish07]

Hmm do you think I could use that in my defense when I refuse to pay tax?

Technically you can if it's against your religious beliefs. Only a few people have managed to get away with it though....they will try to stop you any possible way they can......you would see "mass conversions" to whatever religious belief you held if they made it too easy.

 

[Need2Know]

Technically you can if it's against your religious beliefs. Only a few people have managed to get away with it though....they will try to stop you any possible way they can......you would see "mass conversions" to whatever religious belief you held if they made it too easy.

Haha yes I agree. Even I would probably convert if i could avoid taxes

 

[Donkeyfish07]

Haha yes I agree. Even I would probably convert if i could avoid taxes

legally speaking...I think I could get out of it like that without lying.....but it's a long process and a very difficult fight. lol...who knows, maybe I'll try one day just to stick it to the man

 

[ChosenbyHim]

There many who believe that tithing is now for the church today and it is a form of bondage. While others believe that it is still a practice the believer should do. The side people take who say we no longer tithe say we are not under the law and there are several passages of scriptures that support that we are not. Another is let every man give as he has purposed in his heart 2 Cor 9:7. There are others but these two are used the most. Those who support tithing use OT verses like Malachi 3:8-11. Also Lev 27:30-32, before there was a law Gen 28:20+22 and Gen 14:18-20. There are two passages in the NT that are rarely mentioned though, Matt 23-23 and 1 Cor 3-15.
I myself believer we should tithe as a believer but if it is not done out of LOVE and FAITH then it profits nothing which was the problem with the Jews under the law. There was nothing wrong with the law of God because God's ways will always stand. The problem was the people that did not do the law by faith but works Romans 9:31-32

Greetings sir,

the tithe can be a very intricate study and issue to look into. I for one used to believe that the tithe was still in effect for today. However, an acquaintance of mine handed me a book to look over, and the information that was given in the book. Along with the Scriptures that were given in the book to further expound on the issue of the tithe. It lead me to research the issue a little bit further in listening to sermons on the tithe, and comparing what I heard with the Scripture. And seeing where the word tithe showed up in the Scriptures, I began to see that the Tithe was no longer in effect today.

When reading Leviticus 27:30-34, Malachi 3:8 & 10, Matthew 23:23, Hebrews 7:5-9, we can see that Tithing was a part of the Law. It was part of the old covenant that was done away in Christ (Col. 2:14-17).

In this Dispensation of Grace, our giving should be Spirit led and directed. We are not to give out of necessity (2 Cor. 9:7).

Also, we have been delivered from the law:

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. - Romans 7:6 (KJV)


And also, if we are led of the Spirit, then we are not under the law (Gal. 5:18).

We are justified by God through faith and not by the works of the law ( Gal. 3:5-14).


5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. - Galatians 3:5-14 (KJV)

 

[Kerry]

Greetings sir,

the tithe can be a very intricate study and issue to look into. I for one used to believe that the tithe was still in effect for today. However, an acquaintance of mine handed me a book to look over, and the information that was given in the book. Along with the Scriptures that were given in the book to further expound on the issue of the tithe. It lead me to research the issue a little bit further in listening to sermons on the tithe, and comparing what I heard with the Scripture. And seeing where the word tithe showed up in the Scriptures, I began to see that the Tithe was no longer in effect today.

When reading Leviticus 27:30-34, Malachi 3:8 & 10, Matthew 23:23, Hebrews 7:5-9, we can see that Tithing was a part of the Law. It was part of the old covenant that was done away in Christ (Col. 2:14-17).

In this Dispensation of Grace, our giving should be Spirit led and directed. We are not to give out of necessity (2 Cor. 9:7).

Also, we have been delivered from the law:

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. - Romans 7:6 (KJV)


And also, if we are led of the Spirit, then we are not under the law (Gal. 5:18).

We are justified by God through faith and not by the works of the law ( Gal. 3:5-14).


5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. - Galatians 3:5-14 (KJV)

You are absolutely right. The early church did not tithe. They gave everything they had. God killed Ananias and his wife Sapphira for lying about their gift.

 

[iwant2serve]

Greetings sir,

the tithe can be a very intricate study and issue to look into. I for one used to believe that the tithe was still in effect for today. However, an acquaintance of mine handed me a book to look over, and the information that was given in the book. Along with the Scriptures that were given in the book to further expound on the issue of the tithe. It lead me to research the issue a little bit further in listening to sermons on the tithe, and comparing what I heard with the Scripture. And seeing where the word tithe showed up in the Scriptures, I began to see that the Tithe was no longer in effect today.

When reading Leviticus 27:30-34, Malachi 3:8 & 10, Matthew 23:23, Hebrews 7:5-9, we can see that Tithing was a part of the Law. It was part of the old covenant that was done away in Christ (Col. 2:14-17).

In this Dispensation of Grace, our giving should be Spirit led and directed. We are not to give out of necessity (2 Cor. 9:7).

Also, we have been delivered from the law:

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. - Romans 7:6 (KJV)


And also, if we are led of the Spirit, then we are not under the law (Gal. 5:18).

We are justified by God through faith and not by the works of the law ( Gal. 3:5-14).


5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. - Galatians 3:5-14 (KJV)

When you use scriptures like 1 cor 9 read the whole thing because it is talking about giving to one another per say. If Jesus told them in Mat 23:23 not to forsake the tithe and he himself is the law (word) how then can we deny what he said as beign under the law?

 

[Mammachickadee]

Conviction. Conviction. Conviction. Throughout the Bible is the principle that God is to receive the firstfruits and the best. Also is the New Testament statement that we should "Render unto God the things with are Gods." I have witnessed in churches the consequences of people not giving their best, even financially. I have also witnessed churches with fat accounts; certificates of deposits galore; and a mortgage on the church building. There are also passages addressing the church's obligation to support the widow, the homeless, the orphan, and the poor. How, I ask, is a church to fulfill such biblical instructions if it is now funded by its members (ie Christians)? Turn to the government for funding? Hardly... for whatever the government funds it controls with a tight fist and a critical eye. I personally don't agree in tax exemption for churches. I also don't agree with the welfare system because it's putting upon the government the responsibility of the local church. So, to a person who does not agree with tithing I ask: what DO you think you should do with your money that is better than giving for the furtherance of the gospel. Your money doesn't even have to go to the local church so long as it is undoubtedly going to a church or Bible-based ministry. The amount is somewhat subjective (I stretch to say this), and one should give according to what the Lord convicts them to give be in their last farthing, 10%, or billions.

 

[AmberGardner]

Give until it hurts. Give to the prophet, and give to the poor, and those in need.

1 Timothy 5:18 For Scripture says, "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages."

Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Matthew 6:19 "Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

Matthew 25:35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

Luke 10:30 In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.
31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.
34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him.
35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

 

[Mammachickadee]

Greetings sir,

the tithe can be a very intricate study and issue to look into. I for one used to believe that the tithe was still in effect for today. However, an acquaintance of mine handed me a book to look over, and the information that was given in the book. Along with the Scriptures that were given in the book to further expound on the issue of the tithe. It lead me to research the issue a little bit further in listening to sermons on the tithe, and comparing what I heard with the Scripture. And seeing where the word tithe showed up in the Scriptures, I began to see that the Tithe was no longer in effect today.

When reading Leviticus 27:30-34, Malachi 3:8 & 10, Matthew 23:23, Hebrews 7:5-9, we can see that Tithing was a part of the Law. It was part of the old covenant that was done away in Christ (Col. 2:14-17).

In this Dispensation of Grace, our giving should be Spirit led and directed. We are not to give out of necessity (2 Cor. 9:7).

Also, we have been delivered from the law:

6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. - Romans 7:6 (KJV)


And also, if we are led of the Spirit, then we are not under the law (Gal. 5:18).

We are justified by God through faith and not by the works of the law ( Gal. 3:5-14).


5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. - Galatians 3:5-14 (KJV)

Did you know that the concept of dispensationalism undermines God's providence and all the verses that discuss election?

 

[ChosenbyHim]

Did you know that the concept of dispensationalism undermines God's providence and all the verses that discuss election?

How?

Without dispensational Bible study, one will not understand Bible prophecy as he should.

How long have you looked into the dispensations?