The Tithe

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JaumeJ

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If a congregation passes the collection plate, this is just fine. The minister should be paid for his work, especially if it is a full time service for you are not to muzzle the ox while he treads out the wheat, however Biblical tithing is not mentioned for today otherwise. If anyone reads what tithing involved under the law, they will readily see there is no possibility of tithing today, no Temple, no priesthood, no sacrificing etc.
Let us not distort the use of Old Testament terms to fit our day. If one were truly astute, he could refer to how the first believers gave all to the apostles and all held everything in common, and not even that is possible today without forming another Waco or Guiana, and that is not in the faith at all.
Anyone excusing not giving to their congregation because they pay income taxes is fooling himself. Any tax is paid so as not to offend the collectors while monies for a given congregation are earmarked for the congregation, the preacher and the poor, not necessarily in that order.
As for the minister being paid, he is not to use his position to be wealthy by any means. His means should not exceed the average congregation member, unless he has inherited wealth, but this in itself presents a moral conflict.
 
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I don't get why the church needs money.

Same as I don't understand why churches have lightning rod on the roof. Doesnt that show a lack of confidence?
Some churches are using the word of God for their benefits, and some churches are trapped in the devil's snares by being seduced in believing that they should have a lavishly big church that is very costly to maintain it but there is the poor... It seem to me that they care more about material things rather than their neighbors.

Jonah 4 10 But the Lord said, “You have been concerned about this plant, though you did not tend it or make it grow. It sprang up overnight and died overnight. 11 And should I not have concern for the great city of Nineveh, in which there are more than a hundred and twenty thousand people who cannot tell their right hand from their left—and also many animals?”

Luke 10
30 In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. 31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. 32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. 33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. 34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. 35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’
36 “Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”
37 The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Matthew 6:26

Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?



 

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Give until it hurts. Give to the prophet, and give to the poor, and those in need.

1 Timothy 5:18 For Scripture says, "Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain," and "The worker deserves his wages."

Luke 18:22 When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Matthew 6:19
"Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal.

Matthew 25:35
For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,

Luke 10:30
In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.
31 A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side.32 So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.
33 But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.
34 He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him.
35 The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'




I believe the biggest problem is we (people) think we own things and we (people) don't. Bible says "Then Ea=earth is the Lord's and the fullness there of". We want to judge how a Pastor lives what they to with the money and how much we have given. Well when I read the Scriptures I do not see where the people cared what the priest did with what was given to God. We have not been freed from our thinking that is in the world of mental ownership. It all belongs to God, so we are not giving to him per say we are returning to him what he asked for.
 
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Mammachickadee

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How?

Without dispensational Bible study, one will not understand Bible prophecy as he should.

How long have you looked into the dispensations?
Because the overall interpretation of the Bible through dispensationalisism effects a man-centered theology in which God is seen as changing his methods to fit the times. True, some call themselves dispensationalists because they see dispensationalism as being a mere division of the Bible into time periods and covenants. If one sits in the churches discussing the Bible and covenants in a dispensationalist mentality the concept of God changing comes up. Some even go so far as to say that following the Mosaic law in the Old Testament times was the Israelites requirement for justification... aka works for salvation. This is a direct violation of God's sovereignty through election. God PREDESTINED that a man would be saved. God saves whom he will save no matter what time they lived. Granted, there is a distinct division of the Bible into "before Christ" and "after Christ"... but it works like a sandwich. It is all one history... all one book reading like a great novel (pardon what to some might seem a flippant attitude about the Holy Scriptures) that leads up to an eternity with God after the end of the world. If one reads the Bible and sees history without these dispensations, I personally believe one would have a greater opinion of God and much less controversy. Tithing would never be a question... because God is supposed to be glorified in EVERYTHING. Giving God everything is our reasonable service, spiritually, mentally, physically financially, etc.
 
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Tithing would never be a question... because God is supposed to be glorified in EVERYTHING. Giving God everything is our reasonable service, spiritually, mentally, physically financially, etc.
According to your reasoning, tithing would not be practiced by, or required of, 90% of the believers in modern societies. Tithing was only done on agricultural increase, i.e. crops and livestock. Wage earners did not tithe; that would have been contrary to the law of Moses. Tithing (except under certain conditions) did not involve money. In fact, if someone converted it to money, a 20% penalty was added.
 

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Because the overall interpretation of the Bible through dispensationalisism effects a man-centered theology in which God is seen as changing his methods to fit the times. True, some call themselves dispensationalists because they see dispensationalism as being a mere division of the Bible into time periods and covenants. If one sits in the churches discussing the Bible and covenants in a dispensationalist mentality the concept of God changing comes up. Some even go so far as to say that following the Mosaic law in the Old Testament times was the Israelites requirement for justification... aka works for salvation. This is a direct violation of God's sovereignty through election. God PREDESTINED that a man would be saved. God saves whom he will save no matter what time they lived. Granted, there is a distinct division of the Bible into "before Christ" and "after Christ"... but it works like a sandwich. It is all one history... all one book reading like a great novel (pardon what to some might seem a flippant attitude about the Holy Scriptures) that leads up to an eternity with God after the end of the world. If one reads the Bible and sees history without these dispensations, I personally believe one would have a greater opinion of God and much less controversy. Tithing would never be a question... because God is supposed to be glorified in EVERYTHING. Giving God everything is our reasonable service, spiritually, mentally, physically financially, etc.

Well that is the thing ma'am, you see God has dispersed salvation differently in different dispensations.

Let me show you where in the Old Testament, the saints of that time obtained their salvation by partly doing works of righteousness:

13 Son of man, when the land sinneth against me by trespassing grievously, then will I stretch out mine hand upon it, and will break the staff of the bread thereof, and will send famine upon it, and will cut off man and beast from it:
14 Though these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they should deliver but their own souls by their righteousness, saith the Lord God.
15 If I cause noisome beasts to pass through the land, and they spoil it, so that it be desolate, that no man may pass through because of the beasts:
16 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters; they only shall be delivered, but the land shall be desolate.
17 Or if I bring a sword upon that land, and say, Sword, go through the land; so that I cut off man and beast from it:
18 Though these three men were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither sons nor daughters, but they only shall be delivered themselves.
19 Or if I send a pestilence into that land, and pour out my fury upon it in blood, to cut off from it man and beast:
20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job were in it, as I live, saith the Lord God, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness. - Ezekiel 14:13-20 (KJV)



22 And the Lord shewed signs and wonders, great and sore, upon Egypt, upon Pharaoh, and upon all his household, before our eyes:
23 And he brought us out from thence, that he might bring us in, to give us the land which he sware unto our fathers.
24 And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes, to fear the Lord our God, for our good always, that he might preserve us alive, as it is at this day.
25 And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the Lord our God, as he hath commanded us. - Deuteronomy 6:22-25 (KJV)


See? Everyone in the Bible are not saved the same way, that is why there are different administrations and dispensations in how God deals with mankind. And in how He dispenses salvation differently from one dispensation and another.

IN the Old Testament, people were saved by observing and keeping and doing the commandments of God (Deut. 6:25 & Eze. 14:12-20).

Here is another passage of Scripture where we can see that the Old Testament saints obtained salvation in part by their works:



20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.
23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.
25 Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?
26 When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and dieth in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.
27 Again, when the wicked man turneth away from his wickedness that he hath committed, and doeth that which is lawful and right, he shall save his soul alive.
28 Because he considereth, and turneth away from all his transgressions that he hath committed, he shall surely live, he shall not die. - Ezekiel 18:20-28 (KJV)

So in the Old Testament, when a righteous man turned away from his righteousness and then committed iniquity and died, that man died in his iniquity and went to Hell.

If a man stopped doing right and started doing wrong and died in his sins, then that man in the time of the prophet of Ezekiel in the Old Testament, that man who died in his sins would go straight to Hell. Why? Because he turned from his righteousness and committed iniquity.

You see, if that wicked man turned from his wickedness and did that which was lawful and right, he then saved his soul.

Salvation therefore was obtained differently in the Old Testament then it is obtained today.

This passage in Ezekiel 18 shows clearly that people in that dispensation back in the Old Testament were saved by doing works.

Again, if a wicked man turned from his wickedness and started doing what is right and lawful (works), then that same man would save his soul alive.

In the Church Age, that is not the case. Today, we are saved by the rightfulness of the Lord Jesus Christ.

We are not saved by our works, we are only saved by Grace through Faith alone:



7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. - Ephesians 2:7-13 (KJV)



4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. - Titus 3:4-7 (KJV)

See the difference of how we are saved today and how the people back in the Old Testament were saved? There is a difference. And that is why we have to rightly divide the word of truth.

And this issue of tithing; that is in order for one to understand this issue of the tithe, one must study the issue dispensationally. They must read the Scriptures and rightly divide them. Study where the tithe first showed up, and then see where it is mentioned throughout the Scripture. Study the Gospels and see what our Lord Jesus Christ said about the tithe.
Also, study the Pauline Epistles and see if the apostle Paul mentioned the tithe in any of the Pauline epistles.

This whole issue of the tithe is one that will take some time to study and research. So I encourage you to continue to study this issue with a lot of prayer and with spending a lot of time in the word of God.


 
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Mammachickadee

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According to your reasoning, tithing would not be practiced by, or required of, 90% of the believers in modern societies. Tithing was only done on agricultural increase, i.e. crops and livestock. Wage earners did not tithe; that would have been contrary to the law of Moses. Tithing (except under certain conditions) did not involve money. In fact, if someone converted it to money, a 20% penalty was added.
In an agrarian society that might have been true... but a majority of Christians have no farms and their 10% would be monetary. The reason for the 10% of crops was to make provision for the Levites who cared for the temple. That was their means of survival. Since there is no longer a temple, obviously crops would not be the tithe. However, if the only thing one has access to is a means to make baskets out of reeds, 10% of that should go to the furtherance of the gospel.
 
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In an agrarian society that might have been true... but a majority of Christians have no farms and their 10% would be monetary. The reason for the 10% of crops was to make provision for the Levites who cared for the temple. That was their means of survival. Since there is no longer a temple, obviously crops would not be the tithe. However, if the only thing one has access to is a means to make baskets out of reeds, 10% of that should go to the furtherance of the gospel.
That is the modern interpretation that is completely unbiblical.

The tithe was for more than the Levites. It was also for the poor, widows and strangers (3rd and 6th years), and for all Israel during the 3 yearly festivals.

The Levites were the professional class of Israel. Plus they had as many as 48 Levitical cities, each of which was surrounded by approximately 900 acres of land for growing crops and raising livestock. They were well able to take care of themselves. The tithe was only a supplement.
 
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Mammachickadee

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That is the modern interpretation that is completely unbiblical.

The tithe was for more than the Levites. It was also for the poor, widows and strangers (3rd and 6th years), and for all Israel during the 3 yearly festivals.

The Levites were the professional class of Israel. Plus they had as many as 48 Levitical cities, each of which was surrounded by approximately 900 acres of land for growing crops and raising livestock. They were well able to take care of themselves. The tithe was only a supplement.
The Levites as the temple keepers were provided for by the food tithed. You cannot dispute this fact. They ate the food that had been blessed. Was some food given to the poor... I do not have a recollection (which could be faulty) of this occurring, but it is possible. When David was running from Saul and came to the temple I do recall he was given some blessed food to eat.
 
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That is the modern interpretation that is completely unbiblical.

The tithe was for more than the Levites. It was also for the poor, widows and strangers (3rd and 6th years), and for all Israel during the 3 yearly festivals.

The Levites were the professional class of Israel. Plus they had as many as 48 Levitical cities, each of which was surrounded by approximately 900 acres of land for growing crops and raising livestock. They were well able to take care of themselves. The tithe was only a supplement.
Agreed. The modern idea of tithing (giving a tenth of income) is completely unbiblical. No one ever gave a tenth of their INCOME in the Bible, as there was no such command or principle. Not even Abraham. The one time Abraham tithed, it was not from his income. When God gave Israel the command to tithe, it was not INCOME. God actually discouraged giving money, as someone already mentioned

The modern idea of giving 10% of income was introduced by man at the Council of Macon in A.D 585. It is unclear if it was adopted then, but it was definitely in full practice in the 8th century. But, the idea came about in 585.

However, that does not relieve us of the biblical responsibility to give in keeping with our income. We are led by the Spirit and not the Law. Just me, but when I seek God about giving, I don't seek Him for how much to give. Rather, I ask Him how much should I keep. I found that I started giving more. Again, that is just me.

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That is the modern interpretation that is completely unbiblical.

The tithe was for more than the Levites. It was also for the poor, widows and strangers (3rd and 6th years), and for all Israel during the 3 yearly festivals.

The Levites were the professional class of Israel. Plus they had as many as 48 Levitical cities, each of which was surrounded by approximately 900 acres of land for growing crops and raising livestock. They were well able to take care of themselves. The tithe was only a supplement.
The Levites did not own land, they were to take care of the temple. The sacrifices given in the temple were also divided for the priests to have and to survive on. Tithing supports both the church and the pastor (don't expect him to do everything during the week to only survive on nothing, and the church to stand by itself, including missionary funding),


tithes are given to God with a joyful heart, not to make a preacher rich.
 
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Peace be with you, when the MESSIAH have fulfilled the Law and the Prophets and saying in HIS last words; "It is accomplished." Why are we itching ears going backwards. "Accursed are those who practice the least letter written in the Law of the Old Testament."
i do not speak for everyone but to as it is written only. i do not want to listen to man's interpretation, opinion, believes and understanding which has deceived the church today to sit and be laid back, like having a vacation in a remote resort. Only when unless it relates to the teachings of the HOLY SPIRIT of HIS Holy Scriptures.
i only know excellent teachings of the MESSIAH to excel says; "Your righteousness must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees." As it is written to know, The Pharisees are better in their tithes because they gave a tenth of 'all' that they owned. Most of us in the church give just only 'one part' that is from our income from all that we have owned.
Judge for yourselves, who are really the ones who are giving true tithes and also were corrected by the MESSIAH; "Straining out a small fly but swallowing a camel'? The Pharisees or the church?
Please take note that the Pharisees were not corrected because of their tithes but because of their pride in doing so and many others according to the Law of Moses without mercy. "GOD is not looking for sacrifice but mercy." (JESUS mentioned this twice in the Gospel only to the Pharisees).
The true church i see is in the book of Acts and onwards who truly shared their belongings, thinking it is not their own anymore and there are only a very few like them living today. Did they tithe? No, they were giving in excellent with a totally changed character of compassion of CHRIST, which in action disregards the written Law of Moses for tithes.
In the temple, JESUS saw how the people were giving their offerings. 'Most gave out of their abundance and were feeling good about it but a widow gave all that she had knowing GOD will take of her'. JESUS said about the one who gave the most? JESUS is looking for that kind of faith even today. (who is the same yesterday, today and forever, Amen.)
This is what my Teacher the HOLY SPIRIT taught me and i am ashamed of myself in lacking.
Further more in the New Testament HE has inspired Words of spirit and life saying; "Generous offerings." "Alms Giving." "Collections for the poor, especially to Jerusalem."
Is your church practicing these that is of the MESSIAH of the New Covenant, 'author and finisher of our faith'?
Is the lovely sister beside you and in your church abiding in the Words of 1 Corinthians chapter 11, women's covering as a symbol of ones authority, because of angels who are witnesses to it?
So please let us all grow up from being babes drinking milk and start eating meat.
JESUS say; "If you do not gather with me, you will only scatter it."
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST keep you all from deception and bless you in spirit and truth.
All Honor, All Glory, All Power, All Praise and All Thanks will always be HIS and is HIS through LORD JESUS CHRIST, forever and ever, Amen.
 
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I did a thread similar to yours and someone brought Matt 23:23 up and another Brother pointed out a very good point. Jesus was still alive, his blood had not been shed for us when he made that statement. I give, but not like a robot 10%, 10% 10% I give what I fell compelled to give. I have tithed before and then looked and waited for something to happen, but nothing would. When I buy something for someone in need, I am instantly hit with a reward of at least two fold. The Holy Ghost was leading me to buy a Bible for a fellow Christian who could not read well. I went over my money I had and buying a living translation Bible for this man would bring me to less than 20 dollars in my bank account. I bought the Bible for this young man and he immediately started reading, a chapter at a time and before that he could only read a couple of words at a time. That night I get a call to work for a man and I was paid 120 dollars for minimal work. God is Good.
 
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Peace be with you, let your giving be in secret and your reward be stored in Heaven, dear Hal51.
 
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The Levites did not own land, they were to take care of the temple.
From the best I can interpret, the Levites were given approximately 900 acres of land per Levitical city. They were to receive 48 cities. That would have been a total of 43,600 acres (67.5 square miles) of land that they owned.

And the LORD spake unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying, Command the children of Israel, that they give unto the Levites of the inheritance of their possession cities to dwell in; and ye shall give also unto the Levites common land for the cities round about them. And the cities shall they have to dwell in; and the common land of them shall be for their cattle, and for their goods, and for all their beasts. And the common land of the cities, which ye shall give unto the Levites, shall reach from the wall of the city and outward a thousand cubits round about. And ye shall measure from without the city on the east side two thousand cubits, and on the south side two thousand cubits, and on the west side two thousand cubits, and on the north side two thousand cubits; and the city shall be in the midst: this shall be to them the common land of the cities. Numbers 35:1-5

So all the cities which ye shall give to the Levites shall be forty and eight cities: them shall ye give with their common land. Numbers 35:7

 

john832

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If a congregation passes the collection plate, this is just fine. The minister should be paid for his work, especially if it is a full time service for you are not to muzzle the ox while he treads out the wheat, however Biblical tithing is not mentioned for today otherwise. If anyone reads what tithing involved under the law, they will readily see there is no possibility of tithing today, no Temple, no priesthood, no sacrificing etc.
Let us not distort the use of Old Testament terms to fit our day. If one were truly astute, he could refer to how the first believers gave all to the apostles and all held everything in common, and not even that is possible today without forming another Waco or Guiana, and that is not in the faith at all.
Anyone excusing not giving to their congregation because they pay income taxes is fooling himself. Any tax is paid so as not to offend the collectors while monies for a given congregation are earmarked for the congregation, the preacher and the poor, not necessarily in that order.
As for the minister being paid, he is not to use his position to be wealthy by any means. His means should not exceed the average congregation member, unless he has inherited wealth, but this in itself presents a moral conflict.
Jesus taught tithing...

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

What other? Paying tithe.

Luk 11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Christ did not say leave the other undone, He was just showing priority here. The weightier matters of the Law are of greater importance but do not negate smaller matters...

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
 
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Kerry

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I seam to remember a passage about this, Jesus was watching the coffers of the temple. ( yes He was watching) the rich came by and boasted of their gift because it was nothing to them. Then the widow came and gave two pennies. Then Jesus said that she gave more than all. Reckon why that was. The widow gave all that she had in faith that God would supply here need. The rich gave to have social prominence and political weight. When will we realise that God requires faith and nothing we can give.
 
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Peace be with you, after JESUS of Nazareth accomplished everything in the Law of Moses and nailed them to the Cross. Beginning from the book of Acts to the book of Revelation, quote to me from the Holy Scripture the Word 'tithe' is mentioned again for the churches? Then i will humbly apologize and back down from this discussion.
If not, woe onto you Pharisees of the Old and New Testament today, to place again the yoke of slavery on others who are weak in spirit and truth.
The Pharisees were corrected (Matthew 23; 23) by the reigning MESSIAH and were given the full meaning, what really the Law of Moses requires. This is because all this while not one have walked right in the sight of GOD but in ignorance, all have failed to practice and accomplish ("All have fallen short of My Glory").
But JESUS the spirit man was promised and sent by GOD to live them and practice them and nail them on the Cross at Calvary, calling them all, before HIS last breath saying; 'It is accomplished.'
So now HE gives us the New Covenant to excel and move forward, also only after knowing by the revelation of GOD, history about the Old Covenant that even the talented Jews can fail to accomplish. As it is written, GOD knew this before the creation of this world, to send HIS SON one day, the MESSIAH to restore all things that were not right in HIS household (the house of Jacob) here on earth. Then only later, GOD invited the Gentiles to be accepted and adopted to the New Covenant restored family and together excel as one body of CHRIST.
How about the adopted Gentiles? Do you think you can accomplish the Law of Moses even to the very least of the letter written as 'tithe​' and add them in the New Covenant to justify righteous, born again of grace and truth of the MESSIAH?
Then as it is written, you only allow curse of the Old Law to operate in you and not grace and truth.
Then now, when one is going to wake up from yesterday's sleep, which naturally is considered as history to be remembered and now journey on to the New Covenant and work out their written salvation in fear and trembling in order to prove to GOD one has practiced the New Revelational of spirit and life teachings of the MESSIAH, which excels to true repentance and love for others.
Thus says the LORD of Host; "Oh ye little faith (in the Words of Eternal Life), how much longer must I be with you and how much longer must I put up with you?"
 
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Bryancampbell

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Why hasn't anyone trying defending or explaining these verses in Malachi?


"Will a man rob God? Yet you are robbing Me! But you say, 'How have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you are robbing Me, the whole nation of you!

Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the Lord of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows.

Then I will rebuke the devourer for you, so that it will not destroy the fruits of the ground; nor will your vine in the field cast its grapes, " says the Lord of hosts. "All the nations will call you blessed, for you shall be a delightful land," says the Lord of hosts. "Your words have been arrogant against Me," says the Lord .

"Yet you say, 'What have we spoken against You?' You have said, 'It is vain to serve God; and what profit is it that we have kept His charge, and that we have walked in mourning before the Lord of hosts? So now we call the arrogant blessed; not only are the doers of wickedness built up but they also test God and escape.'" - Malachi 3:8-15 NASB
 

ChosenbyHim

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30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the Lord's: it is holy unto the Lord.
31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.
32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the Lord.
33 He shall not search whether it be good or bad, neither shall he change it: and if he change it at all, then both it and the change thereof shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.
34 These are the commandments, which the Lord commanded Moses for the children of Israel in mount Sinai. - Leviticus 27:30-34 (KJV)

The tithe was commanded for the children of Israel.

And the tithe was not a tithe of money, but of land, fruit, herd, and flock.



7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the Lord of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.
12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts. - Malachi 3:7-12 (KJV)

In the Church Age, there is no physical temple of God that needs to be supported with our money.

Let's see where the temple of God abides today in the Church Age (Dispensation of Grace).



16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. - 1 Corinthians 3:16-17 (KJV)


16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
- 2 Corinthians 6:16 (KJV)

Today in the Church Age, a Christian's body is the temple of God.

It is right there folks.

Now was there a physical holy temple of God on the earth in the Old Testament? Absolutely there was.

But that was back in the Old Covenant. Keep in mind, that was a different dispensation.

So the modern day teaching of tithing your money to a church building is not scriptural.

Tithing was under the Old Covenant. And when the tithe was in effect, it was not even a tithe of money as already shown above. It was a tithe of land, herd, flock, and fruit.

Hence again, the modern day teaching of these big modern churches that Christians have to give 10% of their money to a church building is totally unscriptural.

Now I do understand that some pastors who teach this concept of the tithe may just be ignorant and not know any better. And they probably just have been deceived into believing that this concept of tithe is somehow the case. Of course it is not though.


But I am also confident that there are many false prophets and false teachers out there who know the issue of the tithe and who are making merchandise of the flock (2 Peter 2:3) by this heretical modern day concept of tithing your money to a church building.

Just as animal sacrifices are not for today, neither is the tithe.



Paul says that we are not to give of necessity:


6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.
8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you; that ye, always having all sufficiency in all things, may abound to every good work:
9 (As it is written, He hath dispersed abroad; he hath given to the poor: his righteousness remaineth for ever.
10 Now he that ministereth seed to the sower both minister bread for your food, and multiply your seed sown, and increase the fruits of your righteousness;)
11 Being enriched in every thing to all bountifulness, which causeth through us thanksgiving to God.
12 For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God; - 2 Corinthians 9:6-12 (KJV)