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God had both word and wisdom for all eternity. There was no time when they did not exist. The Word (Who became Jesus) therefore existed for all eternity. I know. 'In the beginning the Word was already in existence' (John 1.1).
Jesus specifically stated that Hell was created for the Devil and his angels.
Mary is the only thing we agree on,
Not the Catholic (universal) church but the ROMAN Catholic church.
However, the doctrine of the Triune God is scriptural
Jesus specifically stated that Hell was created for the Devil and his angels.
Mary is the only thing we agree on,
Not the Catholic (universal) church but the ROMAN Catholic church.
However, the doctrine of the Triune God is scriptural
Ohhh! AHHH! not one of them Jehovah Witnesses, Heaven forbid, we w ill now all be dashed to Hell, or Hades, Or purgatory or limbo or some other place invented by those that are not Jehovah witnesses.
And just think, there are almost 9 million of these little critters around the earth, all teaching only what is in the Bible and not in the addled minds of the clergy and their followers.
They do not accept the pagan traditions of Xmas and Easter, Do you? Do you agree with praying to many saints? Do you know why there are many saints in Christendom? In Jesus time, who were the ones that dressed in purple and gold and made a great extravaganza of their position in the churches that came up after the end of the apostolic period? Who was it that Jesus condemned, those that stood on street corners and loudly recited prayers so t hey could be seen to be pious....I will tell you, those that you follow and Christendom follows, that’s' who.
Why is the Catholics called Papists, as in Papal Palace etc? What were the dark ages? How many innocent humans have been killed in the name of religion in the modern era, and did the JWs have any doing in this killing? Have you been involved in world governments when they go to war and killed millions of humans for a political/religious reason?
Ohh! No!! Not the Jehovah Witness, let's run and hide.
And just think, there are almost 9 million of these little critters around the earth, all teaching only what is in the Bible and not in the addled minds of the clergy and their followers.
They do not accept the pagan traditions of Xmas and Easter, Do you? Do you agree with praying to many saints? Do you know why there are many saints in Christendom? In Jesus time, who were the ones that dressed in purple and gold and made a great extravaganza of their position in the churches that came up after the end of the apostolic period? Who was it that Jesus condemned, those that stood on street corners and loudly recited prayers so t hey could be seen to be pious....I will tell you, those that you follow and Christendom follows, that’s' who.
Why is the Catholics called Papists, as in Papal Palace etc? What were the dark ages? How many innocent humans have been killed in the name of religion in the modern era, and did the JWs have any doing in this killing? Have you been involved in world governments when they go to war and killed millions of humans for a political/religious reason?
Ohh! No!! Not the Jehovah Witness, let's run and hide.
You are so disoriented... you do not even know on what page you are right now.
This is a protestant page, protestants do not pray to saints. And have nothing to do with Pope etc.
Also, if you think that JW just follow the Bible and not people, you are disoriented even more. Ever heard of Brooklyn and the Watch Tower?
This is a protestant page, protestants do not pray to saints. And have nothing to do with Pope etc.
Also, if you think that JW just follow the Bible and not people, you are disoriented even more. Ever heard of Brooklyn and the Watch Tower?
Yes you will be cast into Hell, unless you repent,
Teaching what is in the New World 'Translation' which is packd full of heresy. You ignore the Bible proper.
I accept no pagan traditions. But I celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ and His birth daily.
No
All who are true Christians are saints, sanctified in Christ Jesus,
No one in the true church. Just heretics like the JWs
The Scribes and Pharisees.
Actually no, and we also don't sell books and make great profits like you do,
You mean the ROMAN Catholics? You'd better ask them. They are nearly as mercenary as you are.
None by the true church.
The JWs have done their share,
You are not talking about the true church. You are talking about hypocrites who make religion an excuse.
Lets just ignore their ignorance and stupidity, and recognise they do not know the living Christ.
Teaching what is in the New World 'Translation' which is packd full of heresy. You ignore the Bible proper.
I accept no pagan traditions. But I celebrate the death and resurrection of Christ and His birth daily.
No
All who are true Christians are saints, sanctified in Christ Jesus,
No one in the true church. Just heretics like the JWs
The Scribes and Pharisees.
Actually no, and we also don't sell books and make great profits like you do,
You mean the ROMAN Catholics? You'd better ask them. They are nearly as mercenary as you are.
None by the true church.
The JWs have done their share,
You are not talking about the true church. You are talking about hypocrites who make religion an excuse.
Lets just ignore their ignorance and stupidity, and recognise they do not know the living Christ.
No mattforjesus, Revelation 3:14 was "NOT" done in any other fashion when you said, "Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God in this fashion." The words are explicit after you look them up in the Greek that Jesus Christ is the "CREATOR," that is what the verse means.
You have to understand that "grammar" has as much to do with the meaning of a sentence as do the words, So if you say a sentence means something and you can't find it in the sentence, that's not what the sentence means. This is exactly what your doing.
You imposing on the explicitly meaning and grammar of the verse that, "God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future,it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance."
So mattforjesus, where in Revelation 3:14 is God calling things that have happened as though they already happened?" It's simply not there so let me give you a little tip. Something can not mean something other than what it says, and what it says is BASED in the words, their definitions, grammar, and syntax. I don't care whether it is literal, figurative, metaphorical, poetic: SOMETHING CAN NOT MEAN SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT SAYS, PERIOD.
The shortest verse in the Bible is "Jesus wept." (John 11:35). So tell me, when did this happen? Did it happen in the plan of God at some future time or did it happen in real time when Jesus actually wept? And does it really mean "Jesus wept" or does it mean something else that I'm not aware of?
PS: I should also say there is a time and place when God has called things in advance like, "The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world" but that is in a completly different context.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
You have to understand that "grammar" has as much to do with the meaning of a sentence as do the words, So if you say a sentence means something and you can't find it in the sentence, that's not what the sentence means. This is exactly what your doing.
You imposing on the explicitly meaning and grammar of the verse that, "God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened,for if it is a plan of God to happen in the future,it is the same as if it happened in the beginning,for it will surely come to pass with no hindrance."
So mattforjesus, where in Revelation 3:14 is God calling things that have happened as though they already happened?" It's simply not there so let me give you a little tip. Something can not mean something other than what it says, and what it says is BASED in the words, their definitions, grammar, and syntax. I don't care whether it is literal, figurative, metaphorical, poetic: SOMETHING CAN NOT MEAN SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT IT SAYS, PERIOD.
The shortest verse in the Bible is "Jesus wept." (John 11:35). So tell me, when did this happen? Did it happen in the plan of God at some future time or did it happen in real time when Jesus actually wept? And does it really mean "Jesus wept" or does it mean something else that I'm not aware of?
PS: I should also say there is a time and place when God has called things in advance like, "The Lamb of God was slain from the foundation of the world" but that is in a completly different context. IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Just check out that face to face comment about Moses. Moses was told to turn away and Jehovah showed his brilliance through the powerful angel that was talking to Moses form the burning bush. The brilliance was so great, and it was not a face to face with the God of all men, Moses descended from the mountain with a sunburned face that was noticed by the Israelites.
This coincides with the scripture:
In accounts where it might seem that the Bible says that humans literally saw God, the context shows that God was represented by an angel or appeared by means of a vision.
[h=3]Angels.[/h] In ancient times, God sent angels as his representatives to appear to humans and to speak in his name. (Psalm 103:20) For example, God once spoke to Moses from a burning bush, and the Bible says that “Moses hid his face, because he was afraid to look at the true God.” (Exodus 3:4, 6) Moses did not literally see God, though, for the context shows that he actually saw “Jehovah’s angel.”—Exodus 3:2.
Similarly, when the Bible says that God “spoke to Moses face-to-face,” it means that God conversed with Moses intimately. (Exodus 4:10, 11; 33:11) Moses did not actually see God’s face, for the information he received from God “was transmitted through angels.” (Galatians 3:19; Acts 7:53) Still, Moses’ faith in God was so strong that the Bible described him as “seeing the One who is invisible.”—Hebrews 11:27.
Well tell me something bronson? It says the following at Genesis 17:1,2, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abraham and said to him, "I am God Almighty, Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you excedingly." So bronson, who physically appeared to Abram?
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well dagallen, who did Moses see in the burning bush at Exodus 3:2 and at Exodus 3:4 it says, "When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, GOD called to him from the midst of the bush," Why does it say the Lord not only turned to see Moses but it says God called to Moses from the bush?
IN GOD THE SON,
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IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Well dagallen, who did Moses see in the burning bush at Exodus 3:2 and at Exodus 3:4 it says, "When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, GOD called to him from the midst of the bush," Why does it say the Lord not only turned to see Moses but it says God called to Moses from the bush?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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Well dagallen, who did Moses see in the burning bush at Exodus 3:2 and at Exodus 3:4 it says, "When the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, GOD called to him from the midst of the bush," Why does it say the Lord not only turned to see Moses but it says God called to Moses from the bush?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Well tell me something bronson? It says the following at Genesis 17:1,2, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to Abraham and said to him, "I am God Almighty, Walk before Me and be blameless, vs2, And I will establish My covenant between Me and you, And I will multiply you excedingly." So bronson, who physically appeared to Abram?
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto