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J
It is something fearful one sees more and more, here and there people making proclamations that do come down to not really wanting the things of God. After all, how can somebody repent, in the first place, who finds the things of God repulsive? These Pharisees had God standing before them, and they slandered this very Nature as evil! It's like the thug who hates all cops or the idea of cops, because he's, in fact, evil, in love with evil. People with a Godless agenda really should watch what they ask for: they just might get it.
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man...
Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man...
BLASPHEMY
III. The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is variously understood. Some apply it to the sin of lapsing into idolatry; others to a denial of the proper Godhead of 'Christ; others to a denial of the divinity of the Holy Ghost. Others place this sin in a perverse and malicious ascribing of the works of the Holy Spirit to the power of the devil.
(from McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
BLASPHEMY
The Unpardonable Sin: (3) Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: "Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come" (Mt 12:31-32 = Mk 3:28-29; Lk 12:10). As in the Old Testament "to sin with a high hand" and to blaspheme the name of God incurred the death penalty, so the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit remains the one unpardonable sin. These passages at least imply beyond cavil the personality of the Holy Spirit, for sin and blasphemy can only be committed against persons. In Mt and Mk a particular case of this blasphemy is the allegation of the Pharisees that Jesus Christ casts out devils by Beelzebub. The general idea is that to attribute to an evil source acts which are clearly those of the Holy Spirit, to call good evil, is blasphemy against the Spirit, and sin that will not be pardoned.
(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
Neither Strong nor Thayer show the idiomatic connotation of blasphemy; but Wilbur, Arndt, and Gingrich; Gesenius, and Robertson do.
III. The blasphemy against the Holy Ghost is variously understood. Some apply it to the sin of lapsing into idolatry; others to a denial of the proper Godhead of 'Christ; others to a denial of the divinity of the Holy Ghost. Others place this sin in a perverse and malicious ascribing of the works of the Holy Spirit to the power of the devil.
(from McClintock and Strong Encyclopedia, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
BLASPHEMY
The Unpardonable Sin: (3) Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: "Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him; but whosoever shall speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in that which is to come" (Mt 12:31-32 = Mk 3:28-29; Lk 12:10). As in the Old Testament "to sin with a high hand" and to blaspheme the name of God incurred the death penalty, so the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit remains the one unpardonable sin. These passages at least imply beyond cavil the personality of the Holy Spirit, for sin and blasphemy can only be committed against persons. In Mt and Mk a particular case of this blasphemy is the allegation of the Pharisees that Jesus Christ casts out devils by Beelzebub. The general idea is that to attribute to an evil source acts which are clearly those of the Holy Spirit, to call good evil, is blasphemy against the Spirit, and sin that will not be pardoned.
(from International Standard Bible Encyclopaedia, Electronic Database Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
Neither Strong nor Thayer show the idiomatic connotation of blasphemy; but Wilbur, Arndt, and Gingrich; Gesenius, and Robertson do.
S
Okay okay hold up guys hold up. I'm still not understanding. Does the fact that I care about weather or not I've committed this sin mean I haven't committed it? Because as I stated the articles all said that if you had committed the sin you wouldn't be bothered by it because your heart would be so hardened against God
J
It reminds me precisely of the Satanist, who declares the things of God, His very nature and being, evil, who consider righteousness repressive, etc. I don't know if any of you have known a real Satanist, but, to them, God is the bad guy, their devil, Lucifer their "light." It's the lowest possible slander of Holy God to attribute the things of God to evil.
D
My goodness MarcR you know I cannot understand all that stuff, I would have no idea what you have said let alone where you might be going because you use words I dont understand is why I ask.
Wheneven I post scripture and a but shows up at it with words I am not familar with I will end up asking you
I have no problem with faulting the post if there is a fault, I just couldnt figure out if that was even what you were doing or where the word you stated applied since I dont know what that word is or how it applies.
Thats all.
I know that you are very open to correction where appropriate. I was trying to say that there was NOTHING wrong about your post. What I was trying to say is that because of the way the words are actually used they imply that blasphemy includes but is not limited to giving someone else praise that belongs to the one blasphemed or giving the one blasphemed blame that belongs to someone else. In the case of blasphemy against the Holy Spitit, many including myself believe that praising Satan for what the Holy Spirit does, or blaming the Holy Spirit for what Satan does is the essential ingredient.
We agree that the unpardonable sin is Blaspheming the Holy Spirit and HIS WORK. However when we start defining exactly what that is, it can draw some very weird explanations. Just wait, they will come.
My understanding is based on the simplest explanation, and is most likely the BEST explanation. Here is where most people get off track. Jesus said that to those who chose to believe that the Miracles that JESUS did, if they were not faked, they were most likely from the power of the Devil. We all understand that much, however what people seldom think about is what exactly was the HOLY SPIRIT DOING while Jesus did those miracles? The HOLY SPIRIT was trying to take what they were seeing and HEARING from Jesus, and trying to find some fertile soil in the hearts of all present, so that FAITH might sprout and produce a genuine BELIEVERS that JESUS is GOD in the Flesh. NOW anyone that rejects what the Holy Spirit is trying to apply to their hearts, has BLASPHEMED the work of the Holy Spirit.
That is the ONLY sin that was NOT paid for on the Cross, and thus it is the ONLY sin that condemns the unsaved to eternity in the Lake of Fire:
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2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 (NRSV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Mark 3:28-29 (ISV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."
My understanding is based on the simplest explanation, and is most likely the BEST explanation. Here is where most people get off track. Jesus said that to those who chose to believe that the Miracles that JESUS did, if they were not faked, they were most likely from the power of the Devil. We all understand that much, however what people seldom think about is what exactly was the HOLY SPIRIT DOING while Jesus did those miracles? The HOLY SPIRIT was trying to take what they were seeing and HEARING from Jesus, and trying to find some fertile soil in the hearts of all present, so that FAITH might sprout and produce a genuine BELIEVERS that JESUS is GOD in the Flesh. NOW anyone that rejects what the Holy Spirit is trying to apply to their hearts, has BLASPHEMED the work of the Holy Spirit.
That is the ONLY sin that was NOT paid for on the Cross, and thus it is the ONLY sin that condemns the unsaved to eternity in the Lake of Fire:
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2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
1 John 2:2 (NRSV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] and he is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Mark 3:28-29 (ISV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven their sins and whatever blasphemies they utter.
[SUP]29 [/SUP] But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin."
K
That would be a part of it as any way a person continues to deny His power working in and through them to change them in their walk. Remember the Lord said if you speak against the Holy Spirit it will not be forgiven, so if they are denying the Spirit they would be speaking against Him as they would be saying by their actions they don't believe in His working authority in their lives.
There is a couple times Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul both say that through Christ (with God) all things are possible.
Paul stresses over and over again the importance of ones walk in the faith, and walking by the fruits of the Spirit and not by the flesh. Apostle John also shows this in 1 John chapters 2-4, as he shows clearly how are walk needs to look like to know we are headed to eternal life through Christ.
There is a couple times Lord Jesus and Apostle Paul both say that through Christ (with God) all things are possible.
Paul stresses over and over again the importance of ones walk in the faith, and walking by the fruits of the Spirit and not by the flesh. Apostle John also shows this in 1 John chapters 2-4, as he shows clearly how are walk needs to look like to know we are headed to eternal life through Christ.
D
Just to be sure, someone had mentioned earlier in the thread of Paul being a blasphemer (as he confesses to being) and how it was forgiven him (along with other things) for doing them all in ignorance.
But on this point, is it understood that Paul was blaspheming against the Holy Ghost? Or rather that Paul being before a blasphemer was so in the manner in which men can be blaspheme (and be forgiven)?
Because blaspheming is shown twice here (where it shall be forgiven and where it shall not be)
In Mattew here...
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And Mark here...
Mark 3:28-30 Verily I say unto you,
All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious:
but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Again,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
1 Titus 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.
So wouldnt their blaspheme be that which can be forgiven as Paul's if its of that which shall be forgiven?
Because the other is
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And because it shows two sorts wouldnt Paul's be if the first blaspheme mentioned by Jesus?
But on this point, is it understood that Paul was blaspheming against the Holy Ghost? Or rather that Paul being before a blasphemer was so in the manner in which men can be blaspheme (and be forgiven)?
Because blaspheming is shown twice here (where it shall be forgiven and where it shall not be)
In Mattew here...
Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And Mark here...
Mark 3:28-30 Verily I say unto you,
All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
1 Ti 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious:
but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Again,
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men:
1 Titus 1:20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan,
that they may learn not to blaspheme.
So wouldnt their blaspheme be that which can be forgiven as Paul's if its of that which shall be forgiven?
Because the other is
but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
And because it shows two sorts wouldnt Paul's be if the first blaspheme mentioned by Jesus?
K
The part that people do not understand is the blasphemy that Apostle Paul is talking about in 1 Timothy 1:13 was before he became in the body of Christ (Christian). This was while he was Saul the Pharisee, and Paul is showing here by this example that blasphemy of the Holy Spirit that is being spoken of in the bible is those who consider themselves a believer in Christ yet continue to deny the power, gifts, authority, and guidance of the Holy Spirit for their life to go on continuing to live a unclean sinful lifestyle.
This is why I believe people have been miss taught what blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is, as I have seen anywhere from just unbelief to people who say works of the Spirit are of the devil/satan. Apostle Paul clearly shows that neglecting the power and gifts of the Holy Spirit given to us is also blasphemy.
The Holy Spirit will guide believers to be obedient to the gospel of Christ, but if a person continues to be disobedient and not follow that guidance then the bible shows in Hebrews that disobedience is unbelief as well.
Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
If the gifts are of God and one calls that gift, of the devil, have they not blasphemed against the Holy Ghost as well. As in those who speak in tongues or do a miracle by faith. Especially those who call the truth of God a lie and a lie the truth of God. Like calling a direct quote from the word of God a lie of the devil because it wasn't interpreted the way they believe. Like Mk 11:23 that says whatsoever YOU desire... and you shall have it. It's in plane English and yet many say it doesn't mean what it says. Therefore, they make the truth of God's word, a "lie of the devil", thereby calling the Holy Ghost and Jesus, the devil.
So is that the unpardonable sin as well?
Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mat 10:40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Act 9:4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Act 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
If the gifts are of God and one calls that gift, of the devil, have they not blasphemed against the Holy Ghost as well. As in those who speak in tongues or do a miracle by faith. Especially those who call the truth of God a lie and a lie the truth of God. Like calling a direct quote from the word of God a lie of the devil because it wasn't interpreted the way they believe. Like Mk 11:23 that says whatsoever YOU desire... and you shall have it. It's in plane English and yet many say it doesn't mean what it says. Therefore, they make the truth of God's word, a "lie of the devil", thereby calling the Holy Ghost and Jesus, the devil.
So is that the unpardonable sin as well?