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Kenneth amen, I think it shows an obstinacy towards the Holy Spirit that people would stuff their brains with man's theology while disregarding the clear message of the Word.
I see Jesus saying to them when they come to Him with all their bags of books and man's commentaries "you went shopping for ideas to make yourself look clever...but you never came to ME".
The way up is down!
Matt 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
I see Jesus saying to them when they come to Him with all their bags of books and man's commentaries "you went shopping for ideas to make yourself look clever...but you never came to ME".
The way up is down!
Matt 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
This is rubbish theology.
There is only one "legitimate" church and that consists of those who are born again, and therefore have the Holy Spirit.
My Bible tells me John 1:12 that as many as receive Him (Jesus Christ) to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name
vs 13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
The power of God is demonstrated in signs and wonders, gifts, callings and other manifestations such as fruit of the Spirit. They are not things dreamed up by conceited man, but things freely given to the children of God, as we humble ourselves to receive.
They are not given to those who "decided to become a christian" or those who "decided to go to Bible college", they are freely given to those who are born of God....not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Anyone born of God knows that they receive nothing without first humbling themselves, but that IF they will humble themselves and receive the Lord, then all things pertaining to life and godliness are given, according to the working of His power, as follows:
2 Peter 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
This is not pious positive thinking, this is fact....or not... as the case may be.
You somewhat demonstrated your error in the paragraph I made bold, by stating what people want, and what they don't want.
Therein lies the problem entirely. 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having ; itching ears
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
You don't want what God wants at all: you want what YOU want.
There is only one "legitimate" church and that consists of those who are born again, and therefore have the Holy Spirit.
My Bible tells me John 1:12 that as many as receive Him (Jesus Christ) to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name
vs 13) Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. The power of God is demonstrated in signs and wonders, gifts, callings and other manifestations such as fruit of the Spirit. They are not things dreamed up by conceited man, but things freely given to the children of God, as we humble ourselves to receive.
They are not given to those who "decided to become a christian" or those who "decided to go to Bible college", they are freely given to those who are born of God....not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Anyone born of God knows that they receive nothing without first humbling themselves, but that IF they will humble themselves and receive the Lord, then all things pertaining to life and godliness are given, according to the working of His power, as follows:
2 Peter 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
This is not pious positive thinking, this is fact....or not... as the case may be.
You somewhat demonstrated your error in the paragraph I made bold, by stating what people want, and what they don't want.
Therein lies the problem entirely. 2 Timothy 4:3
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having ; itching ears
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
You don't want what God wants at all: you want what YOU want.
J
"Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity. And moreover, because the preacher was wise, he still taught the people knowledge; yea, he gave good heed, and sought out, and set in order many proverbs. The preacher sought to find out acceptable words: and that which was written was upright, even words of truth. The words of the wise are as goads, and as nails fastened by the masters of assemblies, which are given from one shepherd. And further, by these, my son, be admonished: of making many books there is no end; and much study is a weariness of the flesh. Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." (Ecclesiastes 12:8-14)
Based upon my own observations over the last 27 years, I'd say that with all of the books that professing Christians have read and with all of the studying that professing Christians have done, the vast majority of them have rejected the conclusion of the whole matter which is to fear God and to keep His commandments. Yes, not only is the fear of the Lord the conclusion of the whole matter, but it's also the beginning of both wisdom and knowledge and having been rejected by most who claim to follow Christ, the vast majority of professing Christians whom I've personally encountered have basically no true wisdom or knowledge whatsoever. Yeah, I said it. Futhermore, I'll give myself a hearty "AMEN!" for what I said because it's (sad but) true.
Based upon my own observations over the last 27 years, I'd say that with all of the books that professing Christians have read and with all of the studying that professing Christians have done, the vast majority of them have rejected the conclusion of the whole matter which is to fear God and to keep His commandments. Yes, not only is the fear of the Lord the conclusion of the whole matter, but it's also the beginning of both wisdom and knowledge and having been rejected by most who claim to follow Christ, the vast majority of professing Christians whom I've personally encountered have basically no true wisdom or knowledge whatsoever. Yeah, I said it. Futhermore, I'll give myself a hearty "AMEN!" for what I said because it's (sad but) true.
P
An assumption is not an accusation
You posted a new thread titled "Cessationism is wrong" right after we had a (rather intense) discussion thread titled "to comfort those who speak in tongues" -- Continuationism is the opposite of Cessationism. This was not an accusation, it was an assumption. You could have clarified or corrected the assumption, but instead -- you chose to reject and then ignore. Guess what -- I had not heard of "Cessationism" until recently. I was exploring all of these concepts WITH you, when you rejected me and put me on your iggy list.
You requested I cease, so why do you (both) continue?
I am continuing to become discouraged by your passive-aggressive remarks with others on the subject; you refuse to discuss with the individual whom you have rejected -- but continue to underhandedly carry on with other members.
I can see that your friend, Ember, does the same. "at the risk of being stoned again..."
A solution is simple
You can choose to ignore a problem with hopes of eventually forgetting about it. Or you can choose to address a problem. If you choose to ignore the problem, it won't disappear easily (as evidenced by both of your comments during the past few days). You do have a problem (whether you see it or not).
How I understand you
You initially felt 'attacked' -- I saw this, and assisted. You even thanked me! But AS SOON as you saw me post something that you disagreed with -- I was "pegged" (as Ember says); you began to ignore and disassociate. Never once did you ask for clarification. Never once did you respond to a PM where I attempted to resolve and clarify. See the problem yet?
How I understand me
Honestly, here's what it felt like to me: I saw a sweet old lady crossing a road and I saw a few big scary men jump out in front of her. They started to give her a hard time. I stepped in and supported this lady as she made her way through the big scary men to her destination. As we approached her destination I said, "You know, one of those big scary men had a valid point." The sweet old lady snaps at me and says, "That man is of the devil! You are in danger of losing your salvation!" She then turns and walks towards a new destination. I say, "But, wait, wait! What about..." but the words were either never received or completely ignored. Then, later, I see the old lady sharing her experience with others. I'm saddened though, because she has pegged the man who once helped her as the same as those who harassed her.
Lamentations from a PeacefulWarrior.
You posted a new thread titled "Cessationism is wrong" right after we had a (rather intense) discussion thread titled "to comfort those who speak in tongues" -- Continuationism is the opposite of Cessationism. This was not an accusation, it was an assumption. You could have clarified or corrected the assumption, but instead -- you chose to reject and then ignore. Guess what -- I had not heard of "Cessationism" until recently. I was exploring all of these concepts WITH you, when you rejected me and put me on your iggy list.
You requested I cease, so why do you (both) continue?
I am continuing to become discouraged by your passive-aggressive remarks with others on the subject; you refuse to discuss with the individual whom you have rejected -- but continue to underhandedly carry on with other members.
I can see that your friend, Ember, does the same. "at the risk of being stoned again..."
A solution is simple
You can choose to ignore a problem with hopes of eventually forgetting about it. Or you can choose to address a problem. If you choose to ignore the problem, it won't disappear easily (as evidenced by both of your comments during the past few days). You do have a problem (whether you see it or not).
How I understand you
You initially felt 'attacked' -- I saw this, and assisted. You even thanked me! But AS SOON as you saw me post something that you disagreed with -- I was "pegged" (as Ember says); you began to ignore and disassociate. Never once did you ask for clarification. Never once did you respond to a PM where I attempted to resolve and clarify. See the problem yet?
How I understand me
Honestly, here's what it felt like to me: I saw a sweet old lady crossing a road and I saw a few big scary men jump out in front of her. They started to give her a hard time. I stepped in and supported this lady as she made her way through the big scary men to her destination. As we approached her destination I said, "You know, one of those big scary men had a valid point." The sweet old lady snaps at me and says, "That man is of the devil! You are in danger of losing your salvation!" She then turns and walks towards a new destination. I say, "But, wait, wait! What about..." but the words were either never received or completely ignored. Then, later, I see the old lady sharing her experience with others. I'm saddened though, because she has pegged the man who once helped her as the same as those who harassed her.
Lamentations from a PeacefulWarrior.
An assumption is not an accusation
You posted a new thread titled "Cessationism is wrong" right after we had a (rather intense) discussion thread titled "to comfort those who speak in tongues" -- Continuationism is the opposite of Cessationism. This was not an accusation, it was an assumption. You could have clarified or corrected the assumption, but instead -- you chose to reject and then ignore. Guess what -- I had not heard of "Cessationism" until recently. I was exploring all of these concepts WITH you, when you rejected me and put me on your iggy list.
You requested I cease, so why do you (both) continue?
I am continuing to become discouraged by your passive-aggressive remarks with others on the subject; you refuse to discuss with the individual whom you have rejected -- but continue to underhandedly carry on with other members.
I can see that your friend, Ember, does the same. "at the risk of being stoned again..."
A solution is simple
You can choose to ignore a problem with hopes of eventually forgetting about it. Or you can choose to address a problem. If you choose to ignore the problem, it won't disappear easily (as evidenced by both of your comments during the past few days). You do have a problem (whether you see it or not).
How I understand you
You initially felt 'attacked' -- I saw this, and assisted. You even thanked me! But AS SOON as you saw me post something that you disagreed with -- I was "pegged" (as Ember says); you began to ignore and disassociate. Never once did you ask for clarification. Never once did you respond to a PM where I attempted to resolve and clarify. See the problem yet?
How I understand me
Honestly, here's what it felt like to me: I saw a sweet old lady crossing a road and I saw a few big scary men jump out in front of her. They started to give her a hard time. I stepped in and supported this lady as she made her way through the big scary men to her destination. As we approached her destination I said, "You know, one of those big scary men had a valid point." The sweet old lady snaps at me and says, "That man is of the devil! You are in danger of losing your salvation!" She then turns and walks towards a new destination. I say, "But, wait, wait! What about..." but the words were either never received or completely ignored. Then, later, I see the old lady sharing her experience with others. I'm saddened though, because she has pegged the man who once helped her as the same as those who harassed her.
Lamentations from a PeacefulWarrior.
You posted a new thread titled "Cessationism is wrong" right after we had a (rather intense) discussion thread titled "to comfort those who speak in tongues" -- Continuationism is the opposite of Cessationism. This was not an accusation, it was an assumption. You could have clarified or corrected the assumption, but instead -- you chose to reject and then ignore. Guess what -- I had not heard of "Cessationism" until recently. I was exploring all of these concepts WITH you, when you rejected me and put me on your iggy list.
You requested I cease, so why do you (both) continue?
I am continuing to become discouraged by your passive-aggressive remarks with others on the subject; you refuse to discuss with the individual whom you have rejected -- but continue to underhandedly carry on with other members.
I can see that your friend, Ember, does the same. "at the risk of being stoned again..."
A solution is simple
You can choose to ignore a problem with hopes of eventually forgetting about it. Or you can choose to address a problem. If you choose to ignore the problem, it won't disappear easily (as evidenced by both of your comments during the past few days). You do have a problem (whether you see it or not).
How I understand you
You initially felt 'attacked' -- I saw this, and assisted. You even thanked me! But AS SOON as you saw me post something that you disagreed with -- I was "pegged" (as Ember says); you began to ignore and disassociate. Never once did you ask for clarification. Never once did you respond to a PM where I attempted to resolve and clarify. See the problem yet?
How I understand me
Honestly, here's what it felt like to me: I saw a sweet old lady crossing a road and I saw a few big scary men jump out in front of her. They started to give her a hard time. I stepped in and supported this lady as she made her way through the big scary men to her destination. As we approached her destination I said, "You know, one of those big scary men had a valid point." The sweet old lady snaps at me and says, "That man is of the devil! You are in danger of losing your salvation!" She then turns and walks towards a new destination. I say, "But, wait, wait! What about..." but the words were either never received or completely ignored. Then, later, I see the old lady sharing her experience with others. I'm saddened though, because she has pegged the man who once helped her as the same as those who harassed her.
Lamentations from a PeacefulWarrior.
I am allowed to speak my mind and I don't have to agree with you ESPECIALLY when you are determined to turn away from God and from what is clearly stated in the Bible.
Your assessment of events is totally wrong. I am ignoring you because I admonished you rightly in the Lord according to your heretical statements, which I might say you hid very well in the beginning. I gave you plenty of latitude and still you pressed on with what you are determined to say and to do, which is to stalk me in order to accuse and discredit me.
I want nothing whatever to do with you so please leave me alone. You have chosen your way, which you are entitled to do...to your own destruction if need be. God will not violate your free will.
U
If you go their profile page there is an option to put them on ignore in the forums. It does not work for when others quote them, or for the side panel of new posts, but it ignores their direct posts in a thread. As well as blocking them from any other forum based contact. Has no effect in chat rooms.
Thank you, I keep trying to get away from him but then he shows up in conversations he is not participating in, just to attack me again. It really feels like I am being stalked and you can see he is trying to compel me to respond to him, which is very controlling and creepy. I have complained now at least twice!
P
I have made no heretical statements, therefore your assessments are also wrong and you ignore me in vain.
You did not "admonish [me] rightly" -- which is why I still take issue with you.
You say that you think my purpose is to stalk and accuse and discredit you -- these are not my intentions; your assessment is incorrect, so rather than ignore, please address.
Of course, you may choose to ignore -- this is the self-serving option; ignore me if you only care about yourself. If this is your choice, why even participate in forums in the first place??
You did not "admonish [me] rightly" -- which is why I still take issue with you.
You say that you think my purpose is to stalk and accuse and discredit you -- these are not my intentions; your assessment is incorrect, so rather than ignore, please address.
Of course, you may choose to ignore -- this is the self-serving option; ignore me if you only care about yourself. If this is your choice, why even participate in forums in the first place??
P
Read the OP again, and ask yourself if you think my reason for participation is purely to "stalk" and "harass" you.
This is exactly my experience with you. It was YOU who made the underhanded comments to THIS thread, not me -- I am being very direct. No passive-aggressive, underhanded, gossipy-talk coming out of my mouth!
This is exactly my experience with you. It was YOU who made the underhanded comments to THIS thread, not me -- I am being very direct. No passive-aggressive, underhanded, gossipy-talk coming out of my mouth!
P
Once again a BDF thread turns into all out war, well I didn't expect that
Not much love of the kind Jesus taught going on here is there???
Not much love of the kind Jesus taught going on here is there???
T
PLEASE stop saying un-true things about him, and perhaps he will stop trying to stand up for himself--again you and your friend are the one who attacked him when you found out he didn't agree with you after he tried to help you. You do not need to accuse someone of something they didn't do--and you need to just end it and stop bringing it up all the time, especially if your words when you bring it up are false or only part of the story. I have seen you on here countless times bringing him up and I do not like it, he and I have both tried to hold our tounges, yet you continue to bring it up. There is nothing "creepy" about someone defending themselves on a PUBLIC forum, especially when they are being accused on a PUBLIC forum of things they didn't do. So please, out of love, and respect, please stop accusing him of things he didn't do. PW and I are trying to get over the differences and hard feelings we got from those two threads and the accusations that you made that were untrue, but when you continue and continue to bring it up and try to gain sympathy over something that you accuse someone of, yet you are doing YOURSELF! When will you stop? Please just stop already, for everyone's sake, and for your own. Thank you
T
I understand why you are upset, PW, she is only trying to make you look bad in front of people that haven't read the other two threads, once they read them (if they even do) they can see for themselves how off her claims are on here. Maybe one day she will try to clear the air with you like a respectable person would instead of trying to accuse you of the very things she really does herself--tho her words tell otherwise....She is just trying to play the victim again, only in anther thread where people haven't seen what she has done and said to you. I know it is hard, just try to ignore her like you've been doing, I think that would be the best decision as I don't think she will change her ways, unfortunetly. It will be best for all I think.