The Written Code Kills

[Stunnedbygrace]

I think I see what you're trying to say, although calling scripture 'code' seems to be meaningless.

Like a gun, the scriptures are only dangerous in the hands of those abusing it.

The Word is pure & unadulterated. Those that use it illegally are the killers. False teachers use scriptures to their advantage to deceive the flock. A false teacher will receive his reward no matter how christianeze he sounds.

Dare I say that using the scripture without the Spirit's leading is criminal? Without the Spirit, the Word cannot be spiritually discerned.

I would advise, dear brother, to be more accurate in your statements or else members will post from all directions but the one you intended.

I think I understand what you're saying...
But don't we all sort of have places where we are still seeing the word humanly (or by the code as Jaume says it)?

It takes a sort of working together, with each sharing what He's given them of the spirit of the word, to put it together. Sort of like we're making a pot of soup for which he gives each of us an ingredient to add in, which is some of the spirit of the word.

But it begins to ruin the pot when men insist on trying to throw in ingredients that are...not given by the Spirit but by understanding humanly (or by the Letter or code as Jaume puts it).

I'm guilty of ruining what could have been many great pots of soup but I'm trying to stop this by reading posts 2 or three times before I comment. Trying anyway. The pull back to the letter rather than continuing in the Spirit is strong.

 

[Lewiz]

I think I understand what you're saying...
But don't we all sort of have places where we are still seeing the word humanly (or by the code as Jaume says it)?

It takes a sort of working together, with each sharing what He's given them of the spirit of the word, to put it together. Sort of like we're making a pot of soup for which he gives each of us an ingredient to add in, which is some of the spirit of the word.

But it begins to ruin the pot when men insist on trying to throw in ingredients that are...not given by the Spirit but by understanding humanly (or by the Letter or code as Jaume puts it).

I'm guilty of ruining what could have been many great pots of soup but I'm trying to stop this by reading posts 2 or three times before I comment. Trying anyway. The pull back to the letter rather than continuing in the Spirit is strong.

I agree with everything here except the pulling of the letter.
It is always the flesh.

 

[JaumeJ]

I must reiterate, I took that quote from a version of the Word I am now at a loss to find again, my original learning of this is from the Oxford Study Bible which is much like the KJV which I settled on as my own favorite.

I do read in several languages and several English versions, so small wonder after fifty years of study and worse yet at the tender age of 73, I tend to misplace things mentally........keep me in your prayers, and be blessed always in Jesus Christ, amen.

I think I understand what you're saying...
But don't we all sort of have places where we are still seeing the word humanly (or by the code as Jaume says it)?

It takes a sort of working together, with each sharing what He's given them of the spirit of the word, to put it together. Sort of like we're making a pot of soup for which he gives each of us an ingredient to add in, which is some of the spirit of the word.

But it begins to ruin the pot when men insist on trying to throw in ingredients that are...not given by the Spirit but by understanding humanly (or by the Letter or code as Jaume puts it).

I'm guilty of ruining what could have been many great pots of soup but I'm trying to stop this by reading posts 2 or three times before I comment. Trying anyway. The pull back to the letter rather than continuing in the Spirit is strong.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I agree with everything here except the pulling of the letter.
It is always the flesh.

Well...yes, it is the flesh that pulls back to the letter.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

After you have learned this, learn that the law is not dead or abolished, it is completed or fulfilled.

That is quite contrary to what scripture says. Abolished, done away are the same Greek word which means to nullify the usefulness of something.

But if the ministration of death written [and] engraven in stones was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which was to be done away: 2 Corinthians 3:7

For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:11

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace; Ephesians 2:15​

Saying the law is completed doesn't make sense because it always was complete and perfect. GOD never does anything that isn't complete and perfect - for its intended purpose. The law was not made to perfect anyone (except Christ), but to bring sinners under it to the end of themselves. The law is GOD's standard of righteousness that demands compliance, but never gives it.

Christ as a man satisfied the law's demands and fulfilled it's purpose of legally judging man for his sinful ways. The mechanism of the covenant gives grace to those who should die for breaking the law, and made the perfected one the covenant victim to pay for those crimes.

Therefore, the law has served it's purpose and has been put away. It still exists in written form on earth, but its authority is gone. The son of man now has all authority and tells men what to do. The law is useful for instruction in righteousness, but its usefulness as the way to righteousness is non-existent. In fact, it never existed. Faith is the way of righteousness, and it always has been. The still small voice of the son of GOD that distills like the morning dew leads the way.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I must reiterate, I took that quote from a version of the Word I am now at a loss to find again, my original learning of this is from the Oxford Study Bible which is much like the KJV which I settled on as my own favorite.

I do read in several languages and several English versions, so small wonder after fifty years of study and worse yet at the tender age of 73, I tend to misplace things mentally........keep me in your prayers, and be blessed always in Jesus Christ, amen.

Well I understood it. When I don't, I usually look through many translations to try to get a firm grip. And occasionally search in Strong's. But I understood the written code to mean the letter not the spirit. Maybe I have even read it worded that way in some translation which is why I understood it to be saying the code kills but the spirit makes live.

 

[JaumeJ]

This is a good example of how the written word kills when theHoly Spirit does not lead the way.

Where in any English, French, or Spanish version of the word is the word abolish used in reference to the law? The curse of the law, death, is indeed abolished and destroyed but the laws that remain in Love are still observed.

Jesus Christ has said and taught in so saying that the law is not abolished. God bless you

That is quite contrary to what scripture says. Abolished, done away are the same Greek word which means to nullify the usefulness of something.

But if the ministration of death written [and] engraven in stones was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which was to be done away: 2 Corinthians 3:7

For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:11

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace; Ephesians 2:15​

Saying the law is completed doesn't make sense because it always was complete and perfect. GOD never does anything that isn't complete and perfect - for its intended purpose. The law was not made to perfect anyone (except Christ), but to bring sinners under it to the end of themselves. The law is GOD's standard of righteousness that demands compliance, but never gives it.

Christ as a man satisfied the law's demands and fulfilled it's purpose of legally judging man for his sinful ways. The mechanism of the covenant gives grace to those who should die for breaking the law, and made the perfected one the covenant victim to pay for those crimes.

Therefore, the law has served it's purpose and has been put away. It still exists in written form on earth, but its authority is gone. The son of man now has all authority and tells men what to do. The law is useful for instruction in righteousness, but its usefulness as the way to righteousness is non-existent. In fact, it never existed. Faith is the way of righteousness, and it always has been. The still small voice of the son of GOD that distills like the morning dew leads the way.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

That is quite contrary to what scripture says. Abolished, done away are the same Greek word which means to nullify the usefulness of something.

But if the ministration of death written [and] engraven in stones was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance, which was to be done away: 2 Corinthians 3:7

For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious. 2 Corinthians 3:11

Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, the law of commandments in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, [so] making peace; Ephesians 2:15​

Saying the law is completed doesn't make sense because it always was complete and perfect. GOD never does anything that isn't complete and perfect - for its intended purpose. The law was not made to perfect anyone (except Christ), but to bring sinners under it to the end of themselves. The law is GOD's standard of righteousness that demands compliance, but never gives it.

Christ as a man satisfied the law's demands and fulfilled it's purpose of legally judging man for his sinful ways. The mechanism of the covenant gives grace to those who should die for breaking the law, and made the perfected one the covenant victim to pay for those crimes.

Therefore, the law has served it's purpose and has been put away. It still exists in written form on earth, but its authority is gone. The son of man now has all authority and tells men what to do. The law is useful for instruction in righteousness, but its usefulness as the way to righteousness is non-existent. In fact, it never existed. Faith is the way of righteousness, and it always has been. The still small voice of the son of GOD that distills like the morning dew leads the way.

You have not understood the man, HeRose. You really haven't

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This is a good example of how the written word kills when theHoly Spirit does not lead the way.

Where in any English, French, or Spanish version of the word is the word abolish used in reference to the law? The curse of the law, death, is indeed abolished and destroyed but the laws that remain in Love are still observed.

Jesus Christ has said and taught in so saying that the law is not abolished. God bless you

I listed 3 verses that explicitly state the law was abolished. Christ did not come to destroy (demolish, disintegrate) the law, but to abolish it (render it useless). When Christ said that he did not come to destroy the law, he used an entirely different Greek word that means to demolish or disintegrate.

 

[Studyman]

I dunno. Honoring one's parents can be huge work. The law says honor mother and father, but Jesus told people to do things that most people would find highly objectionable. Like abandoning one's father to do his fishing business alone; like not attending a father's funeral, like ignoring a parent's demands to do something that would violate one's conscience. Under the law those things could possibly be punishable by death. And imagine having parents that have a dysfunctional relationship. Is honoring them never rocking the boat and offending them, or is it confronting the iniquity in an attempt to put an end to familial sin? Honoring one's parents can be a highly complex, very difficult issue.

To be honest Jesus said to "Let the dead bury their dead". Dead people can't be parents or sons or brothers in the eyes of the Christ, only those who are living.

As the Word which became Flesh said; "count the cost".

 

[JaumeJ]

And Jesus teches all:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

I listed 3 verses that explicitly state the law was abolished. Christ did not come to destroy (demolish, disintegrate) the law, but to abolish it (render it useless). When Christ said that he did not come to destroy the law, he used an entirely different Greek word that means to demolish or disintegrate.

Now I would like yu to show me where the word, abolish, is in the Word for I have searched it and abolished inEnglish, and "abolir" and its conu7gation in French......nothing.

It is quoted above that Jesus has come to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. I am sorry you cannot grasp the meaning of this.

I do know if you hear Jesus and you read teh law in the Old Testamen, you will be able to easily discern which laws He has fulfilled and which remain. YOu do not think it proper to do evil to your neighbor, right? There are but a few laws that remain, but these laws are indeed contained in love, therefore they do remain, and they are to be obeyed, though you do not need much reminding being made anew.

 

[Studyman]

I listed 3 verses that explicitly state the law was abolished. Christ did not come to destroy (demolish, disintegrate) the law, but to abolish it (render it useless). When Christ said that he did not come to destroy the law, he used an entirely different Greek word that means to demolish or disintegrate.

There is no stretch, no possibility, no possible interpretation in Greek or in Hebrew, in which the word "fulfill" and the word "Abolish" mean the same thing.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Jesus hasn't come back yet, so "all" has obviously not been fulfilled.

Destroy Greek= katalou, ":to loosen down, to demolish, to halt, dissolve, overthrow.

Think not that I am come to "loosen down, to demolish, to halt, dissolve, overthrow" the Law,


Fulfill Greek= pleroo, to make replete ( filled or well-supplied with something.) to cram, Level up, to furnish, satisfy, execute, finish, accomplish, make full, perfect, supply.

I am not come to destroy, but to make replete, to cram, Level up, to furnish, satisfy, execute, finish, accomplish, make full, perfect, supply.

In defending man's ancient religious traditions it is necessary for them to twist scriptures. This tactic is as old as the serpent itself.

Christ did not come to destroy (demolish, disintegrate) the law, but to abolish it (render it useless).

This is a perfect, honest example of how the "Many" who come in Christ's name, deceive people.

Christ did not come to "abolish" as you and "many" who come in Christ's Name preach. This is just Biblically false as I have demonstrated.

This lie leads to another lie that Jesus the man created different Laws than the Word who became Flesh. This lie leads to another and another and pretty soon we have a religion that preaches a completely different Jesus. One who isn't One with His Father, one who came to "abolish" His own Word's.

Will you be corrected by the Biblical truth regarding the difference between destroy and fulfill?

Time will tell.

 

[JaumeJ]

​HeRoseFromTheDead

Can anyone say the words of teh following prophesy ae abolished simply because Jesus Christ has already fulfilled the prophet' word?
Psa 22:1 To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David. My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?
Psa 22:2 O my God, I cry in the daytime, but thou hearest not; and in the night season, and am not silent.
Psa 22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
Psa 22:4 Our fathers trusted in thee: they trusted, and thou didst deliver them.
Psa 22:5 They cried unto thee, and were delivered: they trusted in thee, and were not confounded.
Psa 22:6 But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
Psa 22:7 All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they shoot out the lip, they shake the head, saying,
Psa 22:8 He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him.
Psa 22:9 But thou art he that took me out of the womb: thou didst make me hope when I was upon my mother's breasts.
Psa 22:10 I was cast upon thee from the womb: thou art my God from my mother's belly.
Psa 22:11 Be not far from me; for trouble is near; for there is none to help.
Psa 22:12 Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round.
Psa 22:13 They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion.
Psa 22:14 I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels.
Psa 22:15 My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death.
Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.
Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.
Psa 22:19 But be not thou far from me, O LORD: O my strength, haste thee to help me.
Psa 22:20 Deliver my soul from the sword; my darling from the power of the dog.
Psa 22:21 Save me from the lion's mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Psa 22:22 I will declare thy name unto my brethren: in the midst of the congregation will I praise thee.
Psa 22:23 Ye that fear the LORD, praise him; all ye the seed of Jacob, glorify him; and fear him, all ye the seed of Israel.
Psa 22:24 For he hath not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted; neither hath he hid his face from him; but when he cried unto him, he heard.
Psa 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.
Psa 22:26 The meek shall eat and be satisfied: they shall praise the LORD that seek him: your heart shall live for ever.
Psa 22:27 All the ends of the world shall remember and turn unto the LORD: and all the kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
Psa 22:28 For the kingdom is the LORD'S: and he is the governor among the nations.
Psa 22:29 All they that be fat upon earth shall eat and worship: all they that go down to the dust shall bow before him: and none can keep alive his own soul.
Psa 22:30 A seed shall serve him; it shall be accounted to the Lord for a generation.
Psa 22:31 They shall come, and shall declare his righteousness unto a people that shall be born, that he hath done this.

Yes this has been mostly fulfilled, but it certainly is not abolished, otherwise our faith would be for nought.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

JaumeJ,

With the scripture above You are not supporting your claim, but disproving it! Jesus is saying that He didn't come to do away with the Law, but He came to fulfill it, i.e. keep it, meet its righteous requirements, bring to fruition, satisfy completely. He did this because mankind was/is unable to keep the Law. Not that it has been satisfied, we are no longer obligated to keep it. Remember what is written, "

For those who have faith in Christ, He fulfilled the Law on every believers behalf. Believers are dead to the law. We are under a new covenant which is salvation by grace through faith, being led by the Spirit, not by fulfilling the Law. No one will be justified by observing the Law.

It is quoted above that Jesus has come to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. I am sorry you cannot grasp the meaning of this.

Unfortunately, it is you who cannot grasp the meaning because the scripture that you provided disproves your claim. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to perpetuate it, i.e. not to keep it going. He fulfilled the Law in order to meet its righteous requirements as being fulfilled.

Believers are saved by grace through faith and this not of our own selves. It is the gift of God, not by works so that no one can boast or credit for salvation.

YOu do not think it proper to do evil to your neighbor, right? There are but a few laws that remain, but these laws are indeed contained in love, therefore they do remain, and they are to be obeyed, though you do not need much reminding being made anew.

True believers in Christ and who are led by the Spirit, are not going to do harm to their neighbors, and if they did and realize it, all they need to do is repent, confess it and move on. We are not under the Law:


Acts 13:38-39
Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the Law of Moses.


Romans 3:19-24
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:27-28
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Romans 4:13-15
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Ergo (The best way to not break the law is to have no law to break.)

Romans 9:30-32
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith, but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes

Galatians 2:15-16
We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Anyone who is trusting in the Law as a requirement for salvation, will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you put yourself under the law to obey it, you must keep the whole law. When you break in one place, you break the whole law, which leads to death.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

And Jesus teches all:

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.




Now I would like yu to show me where the word, abolish, is in the Word for I have searched it and abolished inEnglish, and "abolir" and its conu7gation in French......nothing.

It is quoted above that Jesus has come to fulfill the law and not to destroy it. I am sorry you cannot grasp the meaning of this.

I do know if you hear Jesus and you read teh law in the Old Testamen, you will be able to easily discern which laws He has fulfilled and which remain. YOu do not think it proper to do evil to your neighbor, right? There are but a few laws that remain, but these laws are indeed contained in love, therefore they do remain, and they are to be obeyed, though you do not need much reminding being made anew.

Do you know what it's like to tell somebody something, and then have that somebody ask you to tell them what you just told them?

 

[JaumeJ]

Going through your post I will comment on the quote from Revelation, Christ is the end of the law.

Have you read my post on this? A neurosurgeon may study a book and complete reading it, and that is the end of the book, but the contenst are still valid and to be consulted from time to time by the surgeon.........

Books of law, any law, but especially the Words from Jesus in the Old and the New testament may have been fulfilled as the prophets also, but their teaching is just as valid as ever.......

If you beieve Jesus, when you read the Law you will find most are fulfilled and finished by Jesus, but there yet remain many which are contained in the laws of love, and because they are containe d there, they are still in effect or would you kill, rob disrepect your partents change a enighbor's landmark to favor yourself etc.

I am not an idiot. Try studying the law after lerning from Jeus and you will find there are many still in effect. If you think obeying God is a chore, you had best pray on it and get with the teaching of Jesus, and not the teaching of the folks wh believe the law is dead for this is tantamount to tecching disobedience.

Do nor reply uintil you have actually studied the law with Christ' teachinng onthe subject in your mind becauseuntil you have done this, you are simply spouting what you have peronally interpreted and not what God teaaches us.

JaumeJ,

With the scripture above You are not supporting your claim, but disproving it! Jesus is saying that He didn't come to do away with the Law, but He came to fulfill it, i.e. keep it, meet its righteous requirements, bring to fruition, satisfy completely. He did this because mankind was/is unable to keep the Law. Not that it has been satisfied, we are no longer obligated to keep it. Remember what is written, "

For those who have faith in Christ, He fulfilled the Law on every believers behalf. Believers are dead to the law. We are under a new covenant which is salvation by grace through faith, being led by the Spirit, not by fulfilling the Law. No one will be justified by observing the Law.



Unfortunately, it is you who cannot grasp the meaning because the scripture that you provided disproves your claim. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to perpetuate it, i.e. not to keep it going. He fulfilled the Law in order to meet its righteous requirements as being fulfilled.

Believers are saved by grace through faith and this not of our own selves. It is the gift of God, not by works so that no one can boast or credit for salvation.



True believers in Christ and who are led by the Spirit, are not going to do harm to their neighbors, and if they did and realize it, all they need to do is repent, confess it and move on. We are not under the Law:


Acts 13:38-39
Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the Law of Moses.


Romans 3:19-24
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:27-28
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Romans 4:13-15
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Ergo (The best way to not break the law is to have no law to break.)

Romans 9:30-32
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith, but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes

Galatians 2:15-16
We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Anyone who is trusting in the Law as a requirement for salvation, will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you put yourself under the law to obey it, you must keep the whole law. When you break in one place, you break the whole law, which leads to death.

 

[JaumeJ]

Think hard on what you open with here, if Jesus Christ had done the opposite of what I posted about the quote He would have said think not I have come to destroy the law and the prophets, I have come to destroy them.............this is what t you and others are saying to me it seems. Why then the distinction using the words destroy and fulfill? You must know

JaumeJ,

With the scripture above You are not supporting your claim, but disproving it! Jesus is saying that He didn't come to do away with the Law, but He came to fulfill it, i.e. keep it, meet its righteous requirements, bring to fruition, satisfy completely. He did this because mankind was/is unable to keep the Law. Not that it has been satisfied, we are no longer obligated to keep it. Remember what is written, "

For those who have faith in Christ, He fulfilled the Law on every believers behalf. Believers are dead to the law. We are under a new covenant which is salvation by grace through faith, being led by the Spirit, not by fulfilling the Law. No one will be justified by observing the Law.



Unfortunately, it is you who cannot grasp the meaning because the scripture that you provided disproves your claim. Jesus came to fulfill the Law, not to perpetuate it, i.e. not to keep it going. He fulfilled the Law in order to meet its righteous requirements as being fulfilled.

Believers are saved by grace through faith and this not of our own selves. It is the gift of God, not by works so that no one can boast or credit for salvation.



True believers in Christ and who are led by the Spirit, are not going to do harm to their neighbors, and if they did and realize it, all they need to do is repent, confess it and move on. We are not under the Law:


Acts 13:38-39
Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the Law of Moses.


Romans 3:19-24
Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in his sight by observing the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of sin. But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference, for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:27-28
Where, then, is boasting? It is excluded. On what principle? On that of observing the law? No, but on that of faith. For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from observing the law.

Romans 4:13-15
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
Ergo (The best way to not break the law is to have no law to break.)

Romans 9:30-32
What then shall we say? That the Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, have obtained it, a righteousness that is by faith, but Israel, who pursued a law of righteousness, has not attained it. Why not? Because they pursued it not by faith but as if it were by works. They stumbled over the “stumbling stone.”

Romans 10:4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes

Galatians 2:15-16
We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 5:4
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.

Anyone who is trusting in the Law as a requirement for salvation, will not inherit the kingdom of God. If you put yourself under the law to obey it, you must keep the whole law. When you break in one place, you break the whole law, which leads to death.

 

[JaumeJ]

I ask people to keep their posts concise and not lengthy. Address one or two points at a time unless you are just posting things pasted to be read only.

For some with vision problem a lot of text is a lot of text.....unnecessary and over doing it.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I am not an idiot. Try studying the law after lerning from Jeus and you will find there are many still in effect. If you think obeying God is a chore, you had best pray on it and get with the teaching of Jesus, and not the teaching of the folks wh believe the law is dead for this is tantamount to tecching disobedience.

Can't pick and choose what parts of the law you want to follow.

What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it. Deuteronomy 12:32​

What Peter taught

But some of those who had believed from the party of the Pharisees stood up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them and to command [them] to observe the law of Moses!” Acts 15:5

So now why are you putting God to the test [by] placing on the neck of the disciples a yoke that neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear? Acts 15:10​

 

[JaumeJ]

Nowhere does Jesus say He came to destroy, abolish, obliterate or disintegrate the law.

Mat 5:17


(ABP+) You should notG3361 thinkG3543 thatG3754 I cameG2064 to deposeG2647 theG3588 lawG3551 orG2228 theG3588 prophets.G4396 I came notG3756 G2064 to depose,G2647 butG235 to fulfill.G4137


(ASV) Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.


(CEV) Don't suppose that I came to do away with the Law and the Prophets. I did not come to do away with them, but to give them their full meaning.


(Darby) Think not that I am come to make void the law or the prophets; I am not come to make void, but to fulfil.


(DRB) Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


(FDB) Ne pensez pas que je sois venu pour abolir la loi ou les prophètes: je ne suis pas venu pour abolir, mais pour accomplir;


(FLS) Ne croyez pas que je sois venu pour abolir la loi ou les prophètes; je suis venu non pour abolir, mais pour accomplir.


(HNT) אל־תדמו כי באתי להפר את־התורה או את־דברי הנביאים לא באתי להפר כי אם־למלאת׃


(INR) "Non pensate che io sia venuto per abolire la legge o i profeti; io sono venuto non per abolire ma per portare a compimento.


(IRL) Non pensate ch'io sia venuto per abolire la legge od i profeti; io son venuto non per abolire ma per compire:


(ISV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,


(KJV) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.


(KJV+) ThinkG3543 notG3361 thatG3754 I am comeG2064 to destroyG2647 theG3588 law,G3551 orG2228 theG3588 prophets:G4396 I am notG3756 comeG2064 to destroy,G2647 butG235 to fulfil.G4137


(ROB) Să nu socotiţi că am venit să stric Legea sau proorocii; n-am venit să stric, ci să împlinesc.


(SSE) No penséis que he venido para desatar la ley o los profetas; no he venido para desatarla, sino para cumplirla.


(TKK) "Kutsal Yasa'yı* ya da peygamberlerin sözlerini geçersiz kılmak için geldiğimi sanmayın. Ben geçersiz kılmaya değil, tamamlamaya geldim.


(Vulgate) nolite putare quoniam veni solvere legem aut prophetas non veni solvere sed adimplere


(Webster) Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.


(WNT) "Do not for a moment suppose that I have come to abrogate the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abrogate them but to give them their completion.