There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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This is true, when we are born we are not with the Holy Spirit, we simply have the breath of life and our OWN spirit 
However, when one becomes His, that is, accepts Christ, then, one CAN receive the Holy Spirit who will ENTER into them.
So, true, Adam did not have the Holy Spirit when he was made by God, but, you can be certain, just like for David and all the rest of the people in the bible, including Paul, Barnabus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, ALL having the inviTation to accept the Holy Spriit into their life, their 'Helper,' who is a helper unlike any other they've ever had.
God provided Himself as the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and once Jesus was on Earth and was going to be going to Heaven, the disciples were saddened greatly by the fact of Christ leaving but Christ told them that they need not despair, for He would be with THEM and it would be via the Holy Spirit ENTERING into them
Make sense , swingmealongLord ?
I'm green, by the way, but, you can call me anything, but, please make it be nice
The Lord leads. "you follow Me." John 21:22
However, when one becomes His, that is, accepts Christ, then, one CAN receive the Holy Spirit who will ENTER into them.
So, true, Adam did not have the Holy Spirit when he was made by God, but, you can be certain, just like for David and all the rest of the people in the bible, including Paul, Barnabus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, ALL having the inviTation to accept the Holy Spriit into their life, their 'Helper,' who is a helper unlike any other they've ever had.
God provided Himself as the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and once Jesus was on Earth and was going to be going to Heaven, the disciples were saddened greatly by the fact of Christ leaving but Christ told them that they need not despair, for He would be with THEM and it would be via the Holy Spirit ENTERING into them
Make sense , swingmealongLord ?
I'm green, by the way, but, you can call me anything, but, please make it be nice
The Lord leads. "you follow Me." John 21:22
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[h=1]Trinity[/h] There is only one God, but He consists of three distinct persons, Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The word “trinity” is not found in Scripture. It is a word used by Christians to express the doctrine of the unity of God as consisting of three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Greek word trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Latin trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine.
The propositions involved in the doctrine are these:
Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ, incarnate Son of God (John 14:28, 13:16; 1 Cor. 11:3; Phil. 2:6-8).
The word “trinity” is not found in Scripture. It is a word used by Christians to express the doctrine of the unity of God as consisting of three distinct Persons. This word is derived from the Greek word trias, first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168-183), or from the Latin trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220), to express this doctrine.
The propositions involved in the doctrine are these:
- That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut. 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa. 44:6; Mark 12:29, 32; John 10:30).
- That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit.
- That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. (John 20:30-31)
- That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.
Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ, incarnate Son of God (John 14:28, 13:16; 1 Cor. 11:3; Phil. 2:6-8).
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1) One God - "Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! Deut. 6:4
2) The Father is God. - Do I realy need to post a verse on this?
3) Jesus is God - 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
4) Holy Spirit is God - 3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit ....[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You have not lied to men but to God. Acts 5:3,4[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I think swingalong is either a liar or deceived as I just proved the trinity is clearly in the scriptures.[/FONT]
2) The Father is God. - Do I realy need to post a verse on this?
3) Jesus is God - 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1
4) Holy Spirit is God - 3But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit ....[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]You have not lied to men but to God. Acts 5:3,4[/FONT]
[FONT=Trebuchet, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I think swingalong is either a liar or deceived as I just proved the trinity is clearly in the scriptures.[/FONT]
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You can't just read and hang on to only the verses you like. Did you read the verses I gave in support?
I notice you quote the OT. This is of the old covenant and the laws therein considered to be " - - the ministry of death - -." 2 Cor. 3:7-8.
Again, 1 Thes. and Hebrews tells us specifically, that man is made up of three parts: body and soul and spirit.
I notice you quote the OT. This is of the old covenant and the laws therein considered to be " - - the ministry of death - -." 2 Cor. 3:7-8.
Again, 1 Thes. and Hebrews tells us specifically, that man is made up of three parts: body and soul and spirit.
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This is true, when we are born we are not with the Holy Spirit, we simply have the breath of life and our OWN spirit
However, when one becomes His, that is, accepts Christ, then, one CAN receive the Holy Spirit who will ENTER into them.
So, true, Adam did not have the Holy Spirit when he was made by God, but, you can be certain, just like for David and all the rest of the people in the bible, including Paul, Barnabus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, ALL having the inviTation to accept the Holy Spriit into their life, their 'Helper,' who is a helper unlike any other they've ever had.
God provided Himself as the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and once Jesus was on Earth and was going to be going to Heaven, the disciples were saddened greatly by the fact of Christ leaving but Christ told them that they need not despair, for He would be with THEM and it would be via the Holy Spirit ENTERING into them
Make sense , swingmealongLord ?
I'm green, by the way, but, you can call me anything, but, please make it be nice
The Lord leads. "you follow Me." John 21:22
However, when one becomes His, that is, accepts Christ, then, one CAN receive the Holy Spirit who will ENTER into them.
So, true, Adam did not have the Holy Spirit when he was made by God, but, you can be certain, just like for David and all the rest of the people in the bible, including Paul, Barnabus, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, ALL having the inviTation to accept the Holy Spriit into their life, their 'Helper,' who is a helper unlike any other they've ever had.
God provided Himself as the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament and once Jesus was on Earth and was going to be going to Heaven, the disciples were saddened greatly by the fact of Christ leaving but Christ told them that they need not despair, for He would be with THEM and it would be via the Holy Spirit ENTERING into them
Make sense , swingmealongLord ?
I'm green, by the way, but, you can call me anything, but, please make it be nice
The Lord leads. "you follow Me." John 21:22
When man 'fell', his spirit became deadened to spiritual matters. Kind of like dormant. When we believe (saved) God's Spirit infuses with ours. That is why we are one in Him; now we are able to discern the truth and deeper spiritual matters.
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What do real greek scholars say of the New World Translation?
For more info: New World Translation and Its Critics
For more info: New World Translation and Its Critics
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Let's take a look at that verse you posted , John 7:29, that, you say, refutes the Trinity doctrine,swingmealongLord........
Hmmmmm.
John 7:29 -- "Then Jesus cried out in the temple, teaching and saying, "You both know Me and know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. 29"I know Him, because I am from Him, and He sent Me."
It is important to understand that, yes, absolutely, as Scripture does not lie, it tells the Truth, right These words are in Scripture and so we must take them at face value. God sent His Son to Earth how? via a 'seed' of itself needing no egg, no sperm, that was conceived how and of who ? The Holy Spirit, right
"But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[SUP]f[/SUP] because he will save his people from their sins."
Matthew 1: 20-21 .
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Was the world made through 'Him,' and, Him who came to Earth of Holy Spirit conception was Jesus Christ, who is none other than God Himself ?
John 1:
The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. 14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Hmmmmm.
John 7:29 -- "Then Jesus cried out in the temple, teaching and saying, "You both know Me and know where I am from; and I have not come of Myself, but He who sent Me is true, whom you do not know. 29"I know Him, because I am from Him, and He sent Me."
It is important to understand that, yes, absolutely, as Scripture does not lie, it tells the Truth, right
These words are in Scripture and so we must take them at face value. God sent His Son to Earth how? via a 'seed' of itself needing no egg, no sperm, that was conceived how and of who ? The Holy Spirit, right "But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus,[SUP]f[/SUP] because he will save his people from their sins."
Matthew 1: 20-21 .
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Was the world made through 'Him,' and, Him who came to Earth of Holy Spirit conception was Jesus Christ, who is none other than God Himself ?
John 1:
The true light that gives light to everyone was coming into the world. 10He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him. 11He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him. 12Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God— 13children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God. 14The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
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Let the Lord be the judge of that, brotherD, everyone understands His Truth at His appointed time of understanding. The Lord leads, the Holy Spirit fills, as we become open to His leading and let Him in us reveal things to us.
Excellent verse reference, too. blessings, bro.
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Yes, Histrippedone, amen, sister, it's a triune body we humans are made of: 'body, soul, spirit,' we are made of each and, then, when we receive Him, we have His Holy Spirit.
A great Scripture verse is this, one that is a question and an answer of itself of His Truth speaking to us.
1 Cor. 3
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The Holy Spirit of God DOES dwell in you ONCe you have become His temple, accepted Him, become born again, believed in Him, in His grace given you, through faith, that is not of yourselves, but is of Him, so, that no one can boast that they are higher and mightier than someone else of faith, for you are NOT, for God GAVE you the faith you have, and, it is the Holy Spirit who will increase your faith through helping you, advocating to you things in life that will grow your faith in Him.
a BIT off topic there, I am, but, the Lord leads, I thought, it deserved fleshed-out reference for ALL our spiritual beings at this time
Excellent verse reference, too. blessings, bro.
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Yes, Histrippedone, amen, sister, it's a triune body we humans are made of: 'body, soul, spirit,' we are made of each and, then, when we receive Him, we have His Holy Spirit.
A great Scripture verse is this, one that is a question and an answer of itself of His Truth speaking to us.
1 Cor. 3
16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
The Holy Spirit of God DOES dwell in you ONCe you have become His temple, accepted Him, become born again, believed in Him, in His grace given you, through faith, that is not of yourselves, but is of Him, so, that no one can boast that they are higher and mightier than someone else of faith, for you are NOT, for God GAVE you the faith you have, and, it is the Holy Spirit who will increase your faith through helping you, advocating to you things in life that will grow your faith in Him.
a BIT off topic there, I am, but, the Lord leads, I thought, it deserved fleshed-out reference for ALL our spiritual beings at this time
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God the Son, God the Father and God the Holy Spirit co-existing together in heaven.
That's right. You have to invent non-biblical terms simply to define it. Therefore it can't be biblical.
I suppose that the "logos was with God and was God" is the best formulation of a duality that the bible can come up with, but we are dealing with concepts that cannot be understood here. The only understanding of God given to man is his unity, his single throne, and his single hypostasis (Heb 1;3).
That's right. You have to invent non-biblical terms simply to define it. Therefore it can't be biblical.
I suppose that the "logos was with God and was God" is the best formulation of a duality that the bible can come up with, but we are dealing with concepts that cannot be understood here. The only understanding of God given to man is his unity, his single throne, and his single hypostasis (Heb 1;3).
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Seems I read a verse that alluded to that. Do you have a verse?
[h=3]Ecclesiastes 3:19-21[/h]King James Version (KJV)
19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
I don't believe in the trinity as modern churches put it, whatsoever.
Tertullian, when he theorized on what we now call 'the trinity', that God and his son have the same 'spirit' or 'character', never gave any hints that they are literally the same person or entity.
God is the Father, who made all things. Jesus is the son, who shares the father's 'spirit' (in the sense of 'spirit' of love, or 'team spirit').
They, however, are not the exact same entity.
'For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men; Jesus'
Tertullian, when he theorized on what we now call 'the trinity', that God and his son have the same 'spirit' or 'character', never gave any hints that they are literally the same person or entity.
God is the Father, who made all things. Jesus is the son, who shares the father's 'spirit' (in the sense of 'spirit' of love, or 'team spirit').
They, however, are not the exact same entity.
'For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men; Jesus'
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a. Please define the word "persons".
b. Where do you get the information that Theophilus first used the word in greek language and Tertullian in latin?
c. Do you have scripture to support "the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person'?
d. Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ - would you further elaborate this because the verses you quoted seemed to suggest a difference in divinity?
b. Where do you get the information that Theophilus first used the word in greek language and Tertullian in latin?
c. Do you have scripture to support "the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person'?
d. Although equal in divinity, the Father is in a position of authority or hierarchy over Jesus Christ - would you further elaborate this because the verses you quoted seemed to suggest a difference in divinity?