There Are Many Scriptures That Disprove The Trinity
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Read it. It doesn't say anything about a three headed God. Revelation 1:8, in the KJV starts off with words: " I AM"....not "we are". I believe you need to read that verse again. Verse 8 is referring to Jehovah God, because the last two words in that verse says" "....Almighty God." At Isaiah 9:6, Jesus is spoken of as or given the title: "....Mighty God....", NOT ALMIGHTY. That title "Almighty God" only belongs to Jehovah. So, Revelation 1:8 does not prove that Jesus is God, that he's equal to God, or that he is part of a trinity. Do you have another scripture from the Bible that you think proves the trinity doctrine?
K
No, there is nothing new under the sun only renamed. My dear sister, the trinity is shown through out the bible in its entirety. Yes, there is one God, but in three persons. The Apostles baptized in the name of the Father and of the Son and of The Holy Ghost. These three act as one unit called the God Head by Paul. The same way our forefathers of America by reading and studying the bible formed our government to be ruled by three entities. The executive branch, the legislative branch and the judicial branch. Isaiah Chapter 35. The three move in unison and one does nothing with out the other. We see this in creation. We see this in John 1:1 In the beginning was the word and nothing was made without the word and the word became flesh and dwelt among us. This word is Jesus, yet Jesus prayed. To whom did He pray? He prayed to the father and Jesus was baptized in the Holy Spirit. The trinity.
S
The challenge of explaining the trinity is that every analogy breaks down at some point. The analogy of father, son, husband is good, but in the end that is the same person and can only be in one place at one time. Clearly scripture does not support that idea, or else all the people at Jesus baptism heard him talking to himself. Three distinct entities, each divine, yet all included in the Godhead. Three in one.
I can relate to anyone who struggles to understand this concept, but at the end of the day, it is a core truth of the regenerate Christian faith.
I can relate to anyone who struggles to understand this concept, but at the end of the day, it is a core truth of the regenerate Christian faith.
In a nutshell: The trinity doctrine says that God is three persons in embodied in one person; "God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost". All three, are supposedly equal in knowledge, composition, and power. The scriptures speak of "holy spirit" as being God's active force, that He uses to accomplish His will and purpose, and never a person. Personification of the holy spirit does not prove personality. It is true that Jesus spoke of the holy spirit as a "helper" that would be 'teaching', 'bearing witness', giving evidence', 'guiding', 'speaking', 'hearing', and 'receiving.'. In so doing, the original Greek shows Jesus at times applying the personal pronoun "he" to that "helper" (paraclete).
(Compare John 14:16,17; John 15:26; John 16:7-15). However, it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something that is not actually a person to be personalized or personified. Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs; and feminine pronominal forms are used of it in the original Hebrew, as also in many English translations (KJ, RS, JP, AT). Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both "works" and "children." The apostle Paul personalized or personified 'sin' and 'death' and also 'undeserved kindness' as "kings" (Romans 5:14,17,21; Romans 6:12). The apostle Paul also speaks of sin as "receiving an inducement", "working out covetousness", "seducing", and "killing" (Romans 7:8-110. Yet it is obvious that he did not mean that sin was actually a person. The same principle or rule of thumb, applies to Jesus when he personified the holy spirit as having personality.
(Compare John 14:16,17; John 15:26; John 16:7-15). However, it is not unusual in the Scriptures for something that is not actually a person to be personalized or personified. Wisdom is personified in the book of Proverbs; and feminine pronominal forms are used of it in the original Hebrew, as also in many English translations (KJ, RS, JP, AT). Wisdom is also personified at Matthew 11:19 and Luke 7:35, where it is depicted as having both "works" and "children." The apostle Paul personalized or personified 'sin' and 'death' and also 'undeserved kindness' as "kings" (Romans 5:14,17,21; Romans 6:12). The apostle Paul also speaks of sin as "receiving an inducement", "working out covetousness", "seducing", and "killing" (Romans 7:8-110. Yet it is obvious that he did not mean that sin was actually a person. The same principle or rule of thumb, applies to Jesus when he personified the holy spirit as having personality.
Offering the opinion of a young person that has read the Bible but has never been formally taught religion or spent much time in a church....
God is the creator the father. He came to Earth in human form as Christ Jesus to die so we may live.. Genisus states the cost of sin is death. Thats the price Adam had to pay for the original sin that we all must pay for. Christ in His sacrifice died so we may be free of sin, thus death (giving us eternal life in heaven)
On the day of Pentecost Jesus gave to us the Holy Spirit, God to dwell within us all...
I don't know for sure what trinity means
but from what I've read God the Father came to Earth as the son Jesus Christ.. Then came to dwell in us as The Holy Spirit
if that's what trinity actually means then yes scripture as I read and understood it supports the trinity
Please if I need correcting keep in mind my age and do so kindly
thanks and love you all,
lexi
God is the creator the father. He came to Earth in human form as Christ Jesus to die so we may live.. Genisus states the cost of sin is death. Thats the price Adam had to pay for the original sin that we all must pay for. Christ in His sacrifice died so we may be free of sin, thus death (giving us eternal life in heaven)
On the day of Pentecost Jesus gave to us the Holy Spirit, God to dwell within us all...
I don't know for sure what trinity means
but from what I've read God the Father came to Earth as the son Jesus Christ.. Then came to dwell in us as The Holy Spirit
if that's what trinity actually means then yes scripture as I read and understood it supports the trinity
Please if I need correcting keep in mind my age and do so kindly
thanks and love you all,
lexi
Does the Trinity doctrine make sense to you and if so, do you have scriptures to back up what you believe? I have come to find in conversing with others that many only go along with what their pastor or clergy say is "law" or truth. Nobody does what Acts 17:11 says anymore. Fear of retaliation or fear of what others may think or might say cause the masses to go along with religious falsehoods such as the trinity doctrine. No one seems to question, even in the mind and heart, the validity of such an illogical unscriptural doctrine (Philippians 1:10).
There is no where in the Scriptures that says God came to earth in the flesh embodied in the person of Jesus. I would like to examine that scripture if you can find it. I've read the whole Bible countless of times and I have never ran across anything supporting your statement that God came to earth in the flesh in the person of Jesus.
Philippians 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped, 7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death- even death on a cross!
That scripture doesn't speak about the trinity but to me says Christ in very nature is God
thats just the first one I came across
lexi
That scripture doesn't speak about the trinity but to me says Christ in very nature is God
thats just the first one I came across
lexi
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In Gen. 1:1 the problem began with creaation, "In the beginning GOD (lit. gods) made the Heavens and earth" (elohim) is plural= gods. But the Hebrews were never taught to believe in multiple gods, so, they used GOD not gods, This is very clear in the Old T.. Then Gen, 1:26"...then GOD (S) said let us make man in OUR image.. in OUR likeness..27 in the image of God made He man..." (Plural pronouns) Now , the mystery grows in Deut. 4:5 :,.. hear oh Israel, the LORD our God is one LORD" (Achad= one in plurality) ( one God in plurality)??(PLURALITY OF PERSONS??) as we move on in the old Testament, the mystrey grows more, David said "the LORD said to my Lord".( Jesus) but John the baptist came to prepare the way of the "LORD" not the Lord.??? The mystrey of the Godhead is solued in Jesus Christ, the Son of the most High God. The solution is ONE GOD in THREE PERSONS , as clearly taught in the New Testament. Love to all Hoffco . more latter,
D
- John 1:1 - "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
- John 1:14 - "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."
- John 5:18 - "For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
- John 8:24 - "I said therefore to you, that you shall die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you shall die in your sins."
- Note: In the Greek, "He" is not there.
- John 8:58 - "Jesus said to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am.'"
- Exodus 3:14 - "And God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’"
- John 10:30-33 - "I and the Father are one." 31 The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33 The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God."
- John 20:28 - "Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"
- Col. 2:9 - "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form."
- Phil. 2:5-8 - "Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, although He existed in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied Himself, taking the form of a bond-servant, and being made in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore also God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those who are in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
- Heb. 1:8 - "But of the Son He says, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, and the righteous scepter is the scepter of His kingdom."
- Quoted from Psalm 45:6, "Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever; a scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Thy kingdom."
The Trinitarian formulation can equally well be ascribed to the angels too. For does not God exist in the angels also? Once God became more than one, there is no logical limited to how many times he can reproduce himself. This is extremely problematic from every angle. It is no different from paganism.
The reality is that we don't understand God, but we know that God does manifest himself partially in countless heavenly beings. Yet the Logos is distinct from all these in encapsulating the whole fullness of the God and the power of God. Paul says that in this sense the logos is the image of God. Thus the Father retains a vastly superior status to the Logos, even though the Logos was on the throne of God. Paul's synopsis is clear: only the Father is truly God, but the Logos is/was God only by his derivation from and apposition to the Father with whom he is one.
The reality is that we don't understand God, but we know that God does manifest himself partially in countless heavenly beings. Yet the Logos is distinct from all these in encapsulating the whole fullness of the God and the power of God. Paul says that in this sense the logos is the image of God. Thus the Father retains a vastly superior status to the Logos, even though the Logos was on the throne of God. Paul's synopsis is clear: only the Father is truly God, but the Logos is/was God only by his derivation from and apposition to the Father with whom he is one.
swingalong, i keep seeing words added or taking away from Gods Word, so you may have been misled by someone sharing their twisted doctrine with you. we are created after Gods likeness, meaning wanting to be as God wants us to be. For you to say a person can't truely feel love if they believe in a trinity, wow, well i'm not going to stop believing that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, are One.
L
Even though the doctrine of the Triune God seems illogical to you, does not mean that it is false. One can pull any Scripture out of context (as you did with John 7:29), and make a doctrine. Text taken out of its context is pretext.
The chief argument used against the doctrine of the Trinity is that it doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem reasonable. The answer to this is that we must believe the Bible regardless of whether or not it makes sense to our finite human understanding (Hebrews 11:6).
BIBLE PROOF FOR THE TRINITY.
1. The New Testament plainly teaches the Trinity (Matthew 28:19; John 14:16,26; 16:7-15; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Ephesians 4:4-6; 1 John 5:7).
2. Each Person of the Trinity is said to have separate personality (John 16:7-15).
3. Each Person of the Trinity is co-equal one with another (John 5:17-18; Philippians 2:6-7).
4. The Old Testament teaches that God is One in three Persons
Genesis 1:1. The Hebrew word for God here is Elohim. This is a plural noun, but the verb is singular. This teaches that there is one God in a plurality.
Genesis 1:26. Again God is spoken of as plural, Elohim, yet we know from other Old Testament passages that God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4).
Genesis 11:7-8. Here again God is spoken of in the plural and in the singular at the same time.
Deuteronomy 6:4. This verse could be translated, "Jehovah our Elohim is a united Jehovah." The word "one" refers to a unity. The same word for one is used in Genesis 2:24, speaking of the oneness of a husband and wife. This verse summarizes the Bible's teaching about God. He is one but exists in three Persons.
Psalms 45:6-7. According to Hebrews 1:8-9, God the Father is speaking in Psalm 45, and He is referring to the Son as God. Sometimes people ask, "If Jesus Himself was God, why did He address the Father as God?" The answer is that Jesus addressed the Father as God for the same reason that the Father addressed the Son as God-because they are both God.
Isaiah 48:16. Here the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, is speaking and referring to God the Father and the Holy Spirit (John 18:20).
5. The Trinity is seen in Christ's life. At His incarnation and birth (Lu 1:35). At His baptism (Mt 3:16-17). At His resurrection (Acts 2:24; John 2:19,21; 1 Peter 3:18).
6. Each Person of the Trinity is said to do the same works. Creation (Isaiah 44:24; Colossians 1:16; Job 26:13). Indwelling the Christian (Romans 8:9-10,11). Salvation (Ephesians 2:18). The New Covenant (Hebrews 9:14). Election (1 Peter 1:2).
The chief argument used against the doctrine of the Trinity is that it doesn't make sense. It doesn't seem reasonable. The answer to this is that we must believe the Bible regardless of whether or not it makes sense to our finite human understanding (Hebrews 11:6).
BIBLE PROOF FOR THE TRINITY.
1. The New Testament plainly teaches the Trinity (Matthew 28:19; John 14:16,26; 16:7-15; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Ephesians 4:4-6; 1 John 5:7).
2. Each Person of the Trinity is said to have separate personality (John 16:7-15).
3. Each Person of the Trinity is co-equal one with another (John 5:17-18; Philippians 2:6-7).
4. The Old Testament teaches that God is One in three Persons
Genesis 1:1. The Hebrew word for God here is Elohim. This is a plural noun, but the verb is singular. This teaches that there is one God in a plurality.
Genesis 1:26. Again God is spoken of as plural, Elohim, yet we know from other Old Testament passages that God is one (Deuteronomy 6:4).
Genesis 11:7-8. Here again God is spoken of in the plural and in the singular at the same time.
Deuteronomy 6:4. This verse could be translated, "Jehovah our Elohim is a united Jehovah." The word "one" refers to a unity. The same word for one is used in Genesis 2:24, speaking of the oneness of a husband and wife. This verse summarizes the Bible's teaching about God. He is one but exists in three Persons.
Psalms 45:6-7. According to Hebrews 1:8-9, God the Father is speaking in Psalm 45, and He is referring to the Son as God. Sometimes people ask, "If Jesus Himself was God, why did He address the Father as God?" The answer is that Jesus addressed the Father as God for the same reason that the Father addressed the Son as God-because they are both God.
Isaiah 48:16. Here the Lord Jesus, the Son of God, is speaking and referring to God the Father and the Holy Spirit (John 18:20).
5. The Trinity is seen in Christ's life. At His incarnation and birth (Lu 1:35). At His baptism (Mt 3:16-17). At His resurrection (Acts 2:24; John 2:19,21; 1 Peter 3:18).
6. Each Person of the Trinity is said to do the same works. Creation (Isaiah 44:24; Colossians 1:16; Job 26:13). Indwelling the Christian (Romans 8:9-10,11). Salvation (Ephesians 2:18). The New Covenant (Hebrews 9:14). Election (1 Peter 1:2).