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The meaning of Church is assembly., a gathering. Amazingly even the dispensational website "Got questions.org" agrees with me.

Answer: Many people today understand the church as a building. This is not a biblical understanding of the church. The word “church” comes from the Greek word ekklesia which is defined as “an assembly” or “called-out ones.” The root meaning of “church” is not that of a building, but of people. It is ironic that when you ask people what church they attend, they usually identify a building. Romans 16:5 says “… greet the church that is in their house.” Paul refers to the church in their house—not a church building, but a body of believers.

https://www.gotquestions.org/what-is-the-church.html

Church refers to ONLY N.T. Believers.


Assembly refers to BOTH O.T. Believers and N.T. Believers.


YES that means I am CONVINCED the Bride of Christ is made up of O.T. Saints and N.T. Saints.

Hosea 2:19-20 (GWT)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Israel, I will make you my wife forever. I will be honest and faithful to you. I will show you my love and compassion.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I will be true to you, my wife. Then you will know the LORD.


John 10:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.


The people Jesus is talking to are NOT Church-Age Saints, because the birthday of the Church is Pentecost after HIS ascension. They are therefore the last of the O.T. Saints. WE BECOME ONE FLOCK AT THE RAPTURE.
 

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Yes, God convinces those people in Jerusalem. But notice, it says it was an earthquake which collapsed 10% of the city, it wasn't anything men came up with.

You highlighting my words in blue reminded me of a point I should add, so thank you.

Joshua 10:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the Lord discomfited them before Israel, and slew them with a great slaughter at Gibeon, and chased them along the way that goeth up to Bethhoron, and smote them to Azekah, and unto Makkedah.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And it came to pass, as they fled from before Israel, and were in the going down to Bethhoron, that the Lord cast down great stones from heaven upon them unto Azekah, and they died: they were more which died with hailstones than they whom the children of Israel slew with the sword.

2 Kings 19:
[SUP]34 [/SUP]For I will defend this city, to save it, for mine own sake, and for my servant David's sake.
[SUP]35 [/SUP]And it came to pass that night, that the angel of the Lord went out, and smote in the camp of the Assyrians an hundred fourscore and five thousand: and when they arose early in the morning, behold, they were all dead corpses.

Do you understand my point? If you've got armies attacking Jerusalem, and the soldiers just kill more people with tanks and jets, why would people look at God? They'd assume that men are killing them. Where as if you believe that God will do things without using the devices of men, surely it would amaze people and they would be able to give glory to God.

"That guy is melting"
"Yes because he was hit with a nuclear weapon"
vs.
"That guy is melting"
"Yes it's a plague from God"

"Wow that army is powerful"
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"Why are there giant rocks falling out of the sky on us? This isn't normal, attacking these people was a bad idea"

These things aren't normal, you would be freaked out if God did them against you, you couldn't attribute these things to men or weapons, they are acts of God.

I guess that's the point I was getting at. If God wants to be seen by people and wants people to be saved, why operate within the boundaries of men?
Time to Wake You Up to the REALITY of what the Scripture say about WWIII.


Revelation 9:15-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] So the four angels who were prepared for the hour, day, month, and year were released to kill a third of the human race.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] The number of mounted troops was 200 million; I heard their number.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] This is how I saw the horses in my vision: The horsemen had breastplates that were fiery red, hyacinth blue, and sulfur yellow. The heads of the horses were like lions’ heads, and from their mouths came fire, smoke, and sulfur.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] A third of the human race was killed by these three plagues—by
the fire, the smoke, and the sulfur that came from their mouths
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The Chinese Military numbers over 200 Million, without the help of the Russians and others to make the NUMBERS absolutely LITERAL.








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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzP5qr-ZxHY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX-7WRwmMyM

https://www.123rf.com/photo_5074345...gkok-in-yellow-and-black-parade-uniforms.html

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Yes they are!!!! look verse 7 uso! It says in isaac ur seed shall be called! So its saying it aint ishmael its isaac and it aint esau but its jacob. do u understand now uce?
Was Isaac chosen because he was a FLESH descendant of Abraham or because he was a child of the promise.... let me put it another way, Was Isaac chosen because he was a Jew or because he was a Christian?
 

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Time to Wake You Up to the REALITY of what the Scripture say about WWIII.
You're speculating. Honestly, you're doing yourself no favors by using such a terrible translation. Here's the KJV

Revelation 9:[SUP]
15 [/SUP]And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.


I don't see the point in speculating about your interpretation of WWIII when all of this happens after the 7th seal, and the wrath of God. What happens before the wrath of God? The rapture. You have no idea what countries or armies are going to exist after all of that happens. There's the bottomless pit and weird locusts and a bunch of other things happen before these 4 angels. If you're in paradise while all this happens, why try to warn people about it? If you're just trying to make sense of things fair enough.

Was Isaac chosen because he was a FLESH descendant of Abraham or because he was a child of the promise.... let me put it another way, Was Isaac chosen because he was a Jew or because he was a Christian?
Neither. :cool:

 

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Interesting how you take all the scripture about Jerusalem above and apply them to Christ hating Jews of earthly Jerusalem.... may God forgive you.
Genesis 12:1-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The LORD said to Abram: Go out from your land, your relatives, and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will make you into a great nation, I will bless you, I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] I will bless those who bless you, I will curse those who treat you with contempt, and all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you.
 

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Genesis 12:3 (HCSB)
I will bless those who bless you, I will curse those who treat you with contempt, and all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you.
Genesis 12:3 (KJV)
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Why doesn't HCSB say "treat him with contempt who treats you with contempt"?
 

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You're speculating. Honestly, you're doing yourself no favors by using such a terrible translation.
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[h=3]Introduction to the Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)[/h] The Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB) is a trusted, original translation of God’s Word. A team of more than 100 scholars from 17 denominations pursued two ideals with every translation decision: each word must reflect clear, contemporary English and each word must be faithful to the original languages of the Bible.


COMPARED TO THIS:


You have got to be kidding me? You really NEED to READ the Original Preface of the 1611 KJV, they admitted that they paraphrased lots of it from earlier English Versions. I think you will find you have put the KJV on WAY TOO HIGH OF A PEDISTAL. Here, I have pulled some excerpts out for you:


1611 Original KJV PREFACE

The Translators To The Reader

Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
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But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .

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Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
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(and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
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There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
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And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
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Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . .
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to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
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Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest{ poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .
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Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us.
{ The very same thing many KJO Believers want to do to MODERN Translations. }
For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
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But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of
Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }

http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm



 
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You're speculating. Honestly, you're doing yourself no favors by using such a terrible translation. Here's the KJV

Revelation 9:[SUP]
15 [/SUP]And the four angels were loosed, which were prepared for an hour, and a day, and a month, and a year, for to slay the third part of men.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand: and I heard the number of them.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And thus I saw the horses in the vision, and them that sat on them, having breastplates of fire, and of jacinth, and brimstone: and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions; and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]By these three was the third part of men killed, by the fire, and by the smoke, and by the brimstone, which issued out of their mouths.


I don't see the point in speculating about your interpretation of WWIII when all of this happens after the 7th seal, and the wrath of God. What happens before the wrath of God? The rapture. You have no idea what countries or armies are going to exist after all of that happens. There's the bottomless pit and weird locusts and a bunch of other things happen before these 4 angels. If you're in paradise while all this happens, why try to warn people about it? If you're just trying to make sense of things fair enough.



Neither. :cool:

Nobody is chosen because of their earthly descent, God choses whomever he wants... that's God's chosen people. The flesh children of Israel have never been chosen because of their earthly heritage, they were chosen because they and us, like Isaac are children of the promise. People who believed God and it was counted to them as righteousness.

BTW I don't hate Jews, I hate Jew worship.
 
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Genesis 12:1-3 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] The LORD said to Abram: Go out from your land, your relatives, and your father’s house to the land that I will show you.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will make you into a great nation, I will bless you, I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] I will bless those who bless you, I will curse those who treat you with contempt, and all the peoples on earth will be blessed through you.
That verse is to ME and all the other Christian and Jewish people who believe God. That doesn't apply to Christ hating, Christ murdering flesh Jews.
 

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Genesis 12:3 (KJV)
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Why doesn't HCSB say "treat him with contempt who treats you with contempt"?
MANY PEOPLE TREAT THE PHYSICAL DESCENDENTS OF ABRAHAM WITH CONTEMPT, AND THAT IS WHAT THAT VERSE IS TALKING ABOUT.

Because the KJV was PARAPHRASED from an earlier English translation with known errors. THEY DID NOT BOTHER TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE TO TRANSLATE IT CORRECTLY. Besides isn't cursing someone, treating that person with contemp. Isn't cursing a Translation, treating that Translation with contempt.

Without bothering to check the ORIGINAL WORD, and checking it's possible meanings they were betting the older English Translation had the only possible translation. They were wrong: Because the Original Word " kaw-lal' " had three possible English Word equivalents - "bring into contempt, (ac-) curse, or despise".
 

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That verse is to ME and all the other Christian and Jewish people who believe God. That doesn't apply to Christ hating, Christ murdering flesh Jews.
AR YOU SURE YOU CAN READ ENGLISH WITH UNDERSTANDING? Because that has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS BEING SAID IN THAT VERSE. If you show CONTEMPT for the Jews, you are guilty of the sin described in that Verse.
 
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AR YOU SURE YOU CAN READ ENGLISH WITH UNDERSTANDING? Because that has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS BEING SAID IN THAT VERSE. If you show CONTEMPT for the Jews, you are guilty of the sin described in that Verse.
Do you really not understand that God's chosen people like me and Paul and Isaac are Abraham's seed?

Galatians 3:29 KJV
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did you catch that????? If ye be CHRIST'S then are ye ABRAHAM'S SEED and HEIRS according to the promise. What part of that do you not understand.

Christ killing christian hating JEWS are not ABRAHAM'S seed according to the PROMISE.
 
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Church refers to ONLY N.T. Believers.


Assembly refers to BOTH O.T. Believers and N.T. Believers.


YES that means I am CONVINCED the Bride of Christ is made up of O.T. Saints and N.T. Saints.

Hosea 2:19-20 (GWT)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Israel, I will make you my wife forever. I will be honest and faithful to you. I will show you my love and compassion.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I will be true to you, my wife. Then you will know the LORD.


John 10:16 (NASB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]"I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; I must bring them also, and they will hear My voice; and they will become one flock with one shepherd.


The people Jesus is talking to are NOT Church-Age Saints, because the birthday of the Church is Pentecost after HIS ascension. They are therefore the last of the O.T. Saints. WE BECOME ONE FLOCK AT THE RAPTURE.
Hi hope you don't mind I see that a little differently I would offer an opinion from another perspective. Looking at the context of Romans 9:5-6 which I have offered below. I believe the scriptures inform us as it reads. in Romans 9:6. as a summary; For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: or coming from Israel , It I believe would reflect what Christ said of His own flesh, it profits for nothing .It is the Spirit of life that can give spirit life. His words are spirit, giving us new life and a living hope of a new body that will never die

So then I would ask which Israel, the one in respect to the Jew who is one outwardly of the flesh and temporal spirit. Or the one who is a Jew inwardly born of the Spirit of Christ. She is given a new name that God promised to name His bride….Christian….. Christian, I believe is a word with no other meaning added means “residents of the city of Christ” a city prepared as His bride as those born again given a new spirit of the Spirit of Christ a new spirit that could never die, but will sleep to rise on the last day. According to my understanding I think it’s a befitting new name he named us.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I would think if we were to look to an outward Jew understanding by what we see rather than walking or understanding by faith.(the unseen eternal) Making that seen the earthly corrupted Israel as if it was the eternal not seen the new heavenly Jerusalem . Then it would make the word of God without effect as we are informed in verse 6 and make the outward Jews flesh the effecter, rendering the word of God useless. You could say turning things upside down

I believe that would also take away from the loving commandment to know no man after the flesh. We walk by the faith of Christ, the faith that comes from hearing the Holy Spirit of God. God is no respecter of persons

Rom 9:5 Whose are the a fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] temple? Where in prophecy can we find the idea that Christ would come more than once in the flesh? There is no Father of the Spirits .Fathers of flesh ....innumerable. Eternal Spirit as our living God remains without mother or father beginning of spirit life nor end thereof.

He informs us he in not a man as us but is Emanuel, God with us.

Do we need another demonstration or would that fit the Hebrews 6 context and expose Him to public shame, crucifying him over and over? Thanks, things to think on
 
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Do you really not understand that God's chosen people like me and Paul and Isaac are Abraham's seed?

Galatians 3:29 KJV
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did you catch that????? If ye be CHRIST'S then are ye ABRAHAM'S SEED and HEIRS according to the promise. What part of that do you not understand.

Christ killing christian hating JEWS are not ABRAHAM'S seed according to the PROMISE.
Amen the spiritual seed as in one, Christ… the anointing Holy Spirit of God. Not the father of the flesh the sinner Abraham

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Not Abraham a name God named him to represent our Father in heaven giving rise to the meaning of the word Abraham . Father of many nations or what we call denonations, not one.
 

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Do you really not understand that God's chosen people like me and Paul and Isaac are Abraham's seed?

Galatians 3:29 KJV
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Did you catch that????? If ye be CHRIST'S then are ye ABRAHAM'S SEED and HEIRS according to the promise. What part of that do you not understand.

Christ killing christian hating JEWS are not ABRAHAM'S seed according to the PROMISE.

Do you understand the Abraham was NOT AN ISRAELITE, but rather he was Chaldean, so you are only a spiritual Chaldean and NOT a spiritual Israelite.

ERROR: That is heir to the promise of Righteousness for Believing; NOT HEIRS TO THE EVERLASTING PROMISE TO INHERIT THE LAND OF CAANAN.
 
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Hi hope you don't mind I see that a little differently I would offer an opinion from another perspective. Looking at the context of Romans 9:5-6 which I have offered below. I believe the scriptures inform us as it reads. in Romans 9:6. as a summary; For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: or coming from Israel , It I believe would reflect what Christ said of His own flesh, it profits for nothing .It is the Spirit of life that can give spirit life. His words are spirit, giving us new life and a living hope of a new body that will never die

So then I would ask which Israel, the one in respect to the Jew who is one outwardly of the flesh and temporal spirit. Or the one who is a Jew inwardly born of the Spirit of Christ. She is given a new name that God promised to name His bride….Christian….. Christian, I believe is a word with no other meaning added means “residents of the city of Christ” a city prepared as His bride as those born again given a new spirit of the Spirit of Christ a new spirit that could never die, but will sleep to rise on the last day. According to my understanding I think it’s a befitting new name he named us.

Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

I would think if we were to look to an outward Jew understanding by what we see rather than walking or understanding by faith.(the unseen eternal) Making that seen the earthly corrupted Israel as if it was the eternal not seen the new heavenly Jerusalem . Then it would make the word of God without effect as we are informed in verse 6 and make the outward Jews flesh the effecter, rendering the word of God useless. You could say turning things upside down

I believe that would also take away from the loving commandment to know no man after the flesh. We walk by the faith of Christ, the faith that comes from hearing the Holy Spirit of God. God is no respecter of persons

Rom 9:5 Whose are the a fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

3[SUP]rd[/SUP] temple? Where in prophecy can we find the idea that Christ would come more than once in the flesh? There is no Father of the Spirits .Fathers of flesh ....innumerable. Eternal Spirit as our living God remains without mother or father beginning of spirit life nor end thereof.

He informs us he in not a man as us but is Emanuel, God with us.

Do we need another demonstration or would that fit the Hebrews 6 context and expose Him to public shame, crucifying him over and over? Thanks, things to think on
I HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER,

O.T. Saints are only those who BELIEVE GOD would send a MESSIAH.

N.T. Saints are only those who BELIEVE GOD did send a MESSIAH, Jesus Christ.


THAT IS THE SAME FAITH, THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM.

THAT DOES NOT MAKE A GENTILE A SPIRITUAL ISRAELITE, ABRAHAM WAS NOT AN ISRAELITE, HE WAS A CHALDEAN. ABRAHAM WAS NOT THE FATHER OF ONE NATION, HE WAS THE FATHER OF MANY NATIONS.


Romans 9:6-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Neither are they all children because they are Abraham’s descendants. On the contrary, your offspring will be traced through Isaac.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] That is, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but the children of the promise are considered to be the offspring.



READ IT AGAIN, it is ONLY TALKING ABOUT JEWS, that ARGUMENT PAUL WAS SETTLING was some thought all JEWS WERE CHILDREN OF GOD, JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR BLOODLINE. YOU HAD TO HAVE THE RIGHT BLOODLINE AND HAVE THE FAITH OF ABRAHAM, TO BE CONSIDERED AS PART OF WHAT GOD MEANT BY ISRAEL. YES WE TOO ARE ADOPTED CHILDREN OF GOD, BUT WE DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT BLOODLINE, SO WE HAVE NO CLAIM TO THE TITLE "ISRAELITE".


You do not become an Israelite to become a Christian, NOR do you become an Israelite because you became a Christian.

The COMMON PROMISE WE BOTH HAVE when we have that SAVING FAITH, is SALVATION which makes us Adopted Chrildren of GOD. THAT PLACES OUR CITIZENSHIP IN HEAVEN, NOT IN ISRAEL.

Philippians 3:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;
[SUP]21 [/SUP] who will transform the body of our humble state into conformity with the body of His glory, by the exertion of the power that He has even to subject all things to Himself.


Romans 4:2-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] If Abraham was justified by works, he has something to brag about—but not before God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For what does the Scripture say? Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him for righteousness.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Now to the one who works, pay is not considered as a gift, but as something owed.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.

WHAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THOSE VERSES? Is it not "What does it take to be JUSTIFIED in the Sight of GOD?"


The Promise that HE Declares RIGHTEOUS those who BELIEVED GOD WOULD SEND A MESSIAH. WHEN did ABRAHAM come to Understand that? AFTER HE started to offer up ISAAC as a sacrifice and GOD PROVIDED a ram. THE PROMISE that is Universal for all Nations, is the Promise of SALVATION.

The Promise that UNIQUE to a physical decendents of ISRAEL, is that their people will inherit the land of the Caananites. You tell me which is more important.

Genesis 17:5 (GWT)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] So your name will no longer be Abram [Exalted Father], but Abraham [Father of Many] because I have made you a father of many nations. {NOT the One Nation Israel.}

Genesis 17:7-8 (GW)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] I will make my promise to you and your descendants for generations to come as an everlasting promise. I will be your God and the God of your descendants.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] I am also giving this land where you are living—all of Canaan—to you and your descendants as your permanent possession. And I will be your God.”

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Remember His covenant forever—the promise He ordained for a thousand generations,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”


Which is a more important PROMISE, A thousand generations inheriting the land of CAANAN, or ETERNAL SALVATION?

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NOW, I caught your DENIAL OF THE PHYSICAL, GLORIFIED, BODY OF JESUS CHRIST RETURNING. Here are a few verses the prove your theory of only a spiritual return is pure HERESY.

Acts 1:9-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] After He had said this, He was taken up as they were watching, and a cloud took Him out of their sight.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] While He was going, they were gazing into heaven, and suddenly two men in white clothes stood by them.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] They said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking up into heaven? This Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come in the same way that you have seen Him going into heaven.”


Philippians 3:21 (GW)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] Through his power to bring everything under his authority, he will change our humble bodies and make them like his glorified body.



Romans 4:24 (BBE)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] But for us in addition, to whose account it will be put, if we have faith in him who made Jesus our Lord come back again from the dead,

Luke 24:37-43 (NCV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP] They were fearful and terrified and thought they were seeing a ghost.
[SUP]38 [/SUP] But Jesus said, “Why are you troubled? Why do you doubt what you see?
[SUP]39 [/SUP] Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see, because a ghost does not have a living body as you see I have.“
[SUP]40 [/SUP] After Jesus said this, he showed them his hands and feet.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] While they still could not believe it because they were amazed and happy, Jesus said to them, “Do you have any food here?“
[SUP]42 [/SUP] They gave him a piece of broiled fish.
[SUP]43 [/SUP] While the followers watched, Jesus took the fish and ate it.

Zechariah 14:4 (HCSB)
[SUP]4[/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.


Matthew 26:29 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] "But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

 
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Do you understand the Abraham was NOT AN ISRAELITE, but rather he was Chaldean, so you are only a spiritual Chaldean and NOT a spiritual Israelite.

ERROR: That is heir to the promise of Righteousness for Believing; NOT HEIRS TO THE EVERLASTING PROMISE TO INHERIT THE LAND OF CAANAN.
God didn't have a SEPARATE land deal for Israel, the land of Caanan was promised to Abraham and his seed Christ.

Deuteronomy 19:8 KJV
And if the Lord thy God enlarge thy coast, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, and give thee all the land which he promised to give unto thy fathers;

 

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God didn't have a SEPARATE land deal for Israel, the land of Caanan was promised to Abraham and his seed Christ.

Deuteronomy 19:8 KJV
And if the Lord thy God enlarge thy coast, as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, and give thee all the land which he promised to give unto thy fathers;

My, you sure DENY a lot of very plain language Scripture, changing the meaning to something other than the bloodline descendents that it refers to; just because you COVET the promises that GOD GAVE ISRAEL. Do you even realize that claiming that promise is asking GOD to send you into the thousand year Kingdom, in your MORTAL BODY. I am going into that KINGDOM in my Glorified, Eternal, Living BODY like CHRIST'S. Good luck on learning to become a FARM BOY, and know you will be working that FARM for 600 years.

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

Genesis 17:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the ⌊God⌋ of your offspring after you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And to you and your future offspring I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession, and I will be their God.”

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”


Psalm 105:7-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He is the LORD our God; His judgments ⌊govern⌋ the whole earth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He remembers His covenant forever,
the promise He ordained for a thousand generations

[SUP]9 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”


YOU ARE NOT A GENERATION OF ISRAEL. I DARE YOU, to go over to ISRAEL to small claims court and TRY to claim your Inheritance of Land, based on your wild theory that gentiles become Israelites when they become believers in Christ. I am not a betting man, BUT THIS TIME I AM WILLING TO BET THEY LAUGH YOU RIGHT OUT OF THE COURTROOM. Go ahead, this man probably needs a good laugh right now.

Before your claim is filed:


After your Claim is filed:


Watching your plane leave after you were Laughed Out of the Courtroom.
 
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My, you sure DENY a lot of very plain language Scripture, changing the meaning to something other than the bloodline descendents that it refers to; just because you COVET the promises that GOD GAVE ISRAEL. Do you even realize that claiming that promise is asking GOD to send you into the thousand year Kingdom, in your MORTAL BODY. I am going into that KINGDOM in my Glorified, Eternal, Living BODY like CHRIST'S. Good luck on learning to become a FARM BOY, and know you will be working that FARM for 600 years.

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.

Genesis 17:7-8 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the ⌊God⌋ of your offspring after you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And to you and your future offspring I will give the land where you are residing—all the land of Canaan—as an eternal possession, and I will be their God.”

1 Chronicles 16:15-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] Remember His covenant forever— the promise He ordained for a thousand generations,
[SUP]16 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]17 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree, and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]18 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”


Psalm 105:7-11 (HCSB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] He is the LORD our God; His judgments ⌊govern⌋ the whole earth.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] He remembers His covenant forever,
the promise He ordained for a thousand generations

[SUP]9 [/SUP] ⌊the covenant⌋ He made with Abraham, swore to Isaac,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and confirmed to Jacob as a decree and to Israel as an everlasting covenant:
[SUP]11 [/SUP] “I will give the land of Canaan to you as your inherited portion.”


YOU ARE NOT A GENERATION OF ISRAEL. I DARE YOU, to go over to ISRAEL to small claims court and TRY to claim your Inheritance of Land, based on your wild theory that gentiles become Israelites when they become believers in Christ. I am not a betting man, BUT THIS TIME I AM WILLING TO BET THEY LAUGH YOU RIGHT OUT OF THE COURTROOM. Go ahead, this man probably needs a good laugh right now.

Before your claim is filed:


After your Claim is filed:


Watching your plane leave after you were Laughed Out of the Courtroom.


Galatians 3:16 KJV
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
 

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THIRD TEMPLE NEWS:

Confirming the Archeological Location of the Temple Mount, in the City of David, will STOP these kind of Hostilities.


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