This explanation will help some with the one God Two God difficulty.

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John.1
[1] In the beginning the Word (Jesus) was alive, (and he worked side by side with GOD),
and the Word (Jesus the Christ) was with GOD >> (the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
and the Word (Jesus) was God >> (the Mighty God of the nation of Israel)
[2] The same (Jesus) was in the beginning >> (of the creation) with GOD.
[3] All things (in the heavens and the earth)
were made (created) by him >> (Jesus the Arm of GOD, the Right Hand and the Hand of GOD);
and without him (Jesus) nothing that was made, was made
*
[10] Jesus was in the world >> (the nation of Isarel),
and the world (the nation of Israel) was made by him >> (their Holy One)
and the (evil) world (of Israel),
did not know him >> (their good = righteous God).

Above we establish that Jesus, the creator of all things,
was the God of Israel who was with GOD.

Jesus cannot be God one day and the next day be less than the God that he is.

The non-Spiritual Gentile Translators of the Spiritual Israelite, Apostolic writings,
(who were taught to believe in ONE God (= Jesus), whom Moses taught Israel about,)
had difficulty because they saw that Jesus was God and his Father also.

Sometimes they plainly call Jesus God, in the N.T. and at other times Lord.

The answer lies in the two words: Deity and Divinity.

Gentiles treat Deity and Divinity as synonyms.

Spiritual Israelites hold that Deity is unique is the only GOD by nature (= the Father)
The teaching is that from Deity emanates (proceeds forth) Divinity = Jesus the begotten Son.

The Father and his beloved Son are two (BONDED) Gods of different natures and different ranks.

Jesus is taught and empowered by his Father like he teaches us and empowers us.

John.5
[19] Then answered Jesus and said unto the Jews:
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
The Son (the God of Israel) can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do:
for whatever the Father does the Son also does likewise/ similarly.
[20] For the Father loves the Son,
and the Father shows him (the God of Israel) all things that he himself does
and he will shew him greater works than these, so that you (Jews) may marvel.
[21] For as the Father raises up the dead and quickens them;
even so/ similarly the Son quickens whom he wills.

The Jews know that Jesus, their previous God, is not the supreme
and they do not want to come back to him nor deal with him, as GOD has commanded.
Personally I KNOW that they do not realize how powerful he is.

Jesus is the First and the Last God made by GOD.

Isa.43
[10] You (Apostles) are my witnesses, saith the LORD (Jesus),
and my (12) servant (s) whom I (Jesus) have chosen:
so that you (my chosen Apostles) may know (me) and believe (trust) me,
and understand (me) that I am HE (Deut. 32:39)
before me there was no God formed, (by GOD)
neither shall there be after me >> (He is the First and the Last and also UNIQUE)
[11] I, even I am (Jesus) the LORD >> (the God of Israel);
and beside me there is no saviour >> (Jesus is the only Savior as taught by the Apostles)

Having complete Faith in Jesus Christ means that we completely believe what he says.
We never utter: "BUT MOSES said"
When we reah back to Moses we step out of >> wholehearted Faith in Jesus,
who is the God of Moses, who is of Israel.
The Holy Spirit's services is essential to us.
As the Apostles taught: "the natural man cannot accept the things of the Spirit."

Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to the particularly baptized.

Grace to all from GOD our Father and Our LORD Jesus Christ. Amen.
 
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Tintin

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This is so stupid. Even the verses you use promote a Triune God, which is biblical. Not three Gods. One God in three persons.
 
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Kerry

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Dude if I wanted to read the bible, I woul dhave went to my room. Play your beef in 45 words or less.
 
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We must work for some things.

I think that you know that.... :)

Did you ever run into the word: 'unappeasable'?

Enjoy.
 
Nov 13, 2013
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This is so stupid. Even the verses you use promote a Triune God, which is biblical. Not three Gods. One God in three persons.
Some day you must explain that to Jesus.

Keep well,
 
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Tintin

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Some day you must explain that to Jesus.

Keep well,
One day I must explain to Jesus what he already knows? Right. I have no issue with that.
 
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Reformedjason

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This that you have posted is proof of the trinity. Are you a morman? The bible does not teach polytheism. It does not teach modelism. It teaches that Jesus is God. The Spirit is God and the Father is also God. Not 3 Gods, but 3 persons in one God.
 
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Jesus cannot be God one day and the next day be less than the God that he is.
I do not accept this proposition. God infers the power of God of which Jesus was necessarily divested in order to become incarnate.

There are two theological errors being commonly manifested as a consequence of the introduction of pagan philiosophy.

(a) The erroneous notion that an entity on the throne of God cannot divest himself of divinity to become man. Effectively that is the Muslim position (i.e. God has no son.) The illogicality of "God the Son" is simply in this: "God the Son" is not a son. I suggest that this is why Islam has arisen - a form of judgement on Trinitarians who effectively also deny Jesus' sonship.

(b) The notion that God is a person. Just because Jesus was a person does not mean that God is a person. God is not a person. He is God, an entity conceptually unlike any people on earth. The conception of God as a person leads to the notion of "equality of persons" further inferring "equality of Gods." This is nowhere referred to in the bible. The Word has a completely dependent relation to the Father.
 

Agricola

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Getting fed up with all the nut jobs using the pathetic argument on the lines of "You will have to exaplin yourself to God..." in response to someone who has a different point of view.

It is wrong to use God as a point scoring exercise. The only question GOd will be asking of people when we pass on over is "Why did you reject Jesus"?
 
Nov 18, 2013
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The only question GOd will be asking of people when we pass on over is "Why did you reject Jesus"?
We've already been told the answer to that in John 3, so the question will not be re-raised.
 

p_rehbein

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I do not accept this proposition. God infers the power of God of which Jesus was necessarily divested in order to become incarnate.

There are two theological errors being commonly manifested as a consequence of the introduction of pagan philiosophy.

(a) The erroneous notion that an entity on the throne of God cannot divest himself of divinity to become man. Effectively that is the Muslim position (i.e. God has no son.) The illogicality of "God the Son" is simply in this: "God the Son" is not a son. I suggest that this is why Islam has arisen - a form of judgement on Trinitarians who effectively also deny Jesus' sonship.

(b) The notion that God is a person. Just because Jesus was a person does not mean that God is a person. God is not a person. He is God, an entity conceptually unlike any people on earth. The conception of God as a person leads to the notion of "equality of persons" further inferring "equality of Gods." This is nowhere referred to in the bible. The Word has a completely dependent relation to the Father.

I bet God is shaking in His boots worried about how to "win your acceptance" huh?
 

starfield

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Jesus cannot be God one day and the next day be less than the God that he is.
At Jesus' incarnation He did not lose His divine nature; in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily (Col. 2:9). Rather He added a human nature...

Philippians 2:5-9
5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The Father and his beloved Son are two (BONDED) Gods of different natures and different ranks.
Two Gods?
Christianity is monotheistic.


Jesus is the First and the Last God made by GOD.
Isa.43
[10] You (Apostles) are my witnesses, saith the LORD (Jesus),
and my (12) servant (s) whom I (Jesus) have chosen:
so that you (my chosen Apostles) may know (me) and believe (trust) me,
and understand (me) that I am HE (Deut. 32:39)
before me there was no God formed, (by GOD)
neither shall there be after me >> (He is the First and the Last and also UNIQUE)
[11] I, even I am (Jesus) the LORD >> (the God of Israel);
and beside me there is no saviour >> (Jesus is the only Savior as taught by the Apostles)
Arianism much?

Jesus was not created. He always existed as the eternal Son of God. He is the Alpha and Omega.

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
 

p_rehbein

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"God the Son" ain't no son at all. The problem is all yours.
Well, it must be true...............for YOU have declared it to be thus............so do I now refer to you as YOU ARE, YOU ARE?

(just wondering here.........)
 
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doulos

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John.1
[1] In the beginning the Word (Jesus) was alive, (and he worked side by side with GOD),
and the Word (Jesus the Christ) was with GOD >> (the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.)
and the Word (Jesus) was God >> (the Mighty God of the nation of Israel)
[2] The same (Jesus) was in the beginning >> (of the creation) with GOD.
[3] All things (in the heavens and the earth)
were made (created) by him >> (Jesus the Arm of GOD, the Right Hand and the Hand of GOD);
and without him (Jesus) nothing that was made, was made
*
[10] Jesus was in the world >> (the nation of Isarel),
and the world (the nation of Israel) was made by him >> (their Holy One)
and the (evil) world (of Israel),
did not know him >> (their good = righteous God).

Above we establish that Jesus, the creator of all things,
was the God of Israel who was with GOD.

Jesus cannot be God one day and the next day be less than the God that he is.

The non-Spiritual Gentile Translators of the Spiritual Israelite, Apostolic writings,
(who were taught to believe in ONE God (= Jesus), whom Moses taught Israel about,)
had difficulty because they saw that Jesus was God and his Father also.

Sometimes they plainly call Jesus God, in the N.T. and at other times Lord.

The answer lies in the two words: Deity and Divinity.

Gentiles treat Deity and Divinity as synonyms.

Spiritual Israelites hold that Deity is unique is the only GOD by nature (= the Father)
The teaching is that from Deity emanates (proceeds forth) Divinity = Jesus the begotten Son.

The Father and his beloved Son are two (BONDED) Gods of different natures and different ranks.

Jesus is taught and empowered by his Father like he teaches us and empowers us.

John.5
[19] Then answered Jesus and said unto the Jews:
Verily, verily, I say unto you,
The Son (the God of Israel) can do nothing of himself, but what he sees the Father do:
for whatever the Father does the Son also does likewise/ similarly.
[20] For the Father loves the Son,
and the Father shows him (the God of Israel) all things that he himself does
and he will shew him greater works than these, so that you (Jews) may marvel.
[21] For as the Father raises up the dead and quickens them;
even so/ similarly the Son quickens whom he wills.

The Jews know that Jesus, their previous God, is not the supreme
and they do not want to come back to him nor deal with him, as GOD has commanded.
Personally I KNOW that they do not realize how powerful he is.

Jesus is the First and the Last God made by GOD.

Isa.43
[10] You (Apostles) are my witnesses, saith the LORD (Jesus),
and my (12) servant (s) whom I (Jesus) have chosen:
so that you (my chosen Apostles) may know (me) and believe (trust) me,
and understand (me) that I am HE (Deut. 32:39)
before me there was no God formed, (by GOD)
neither shall there be after me >> (He is the First and the Last and also UNIQUE)
[11] I, even I am (Jesus) the LORD >> (the God of Israel);
and beside me there is no saviour >> (Jesus is the only Savior as taught by the Apostles)

Having complete Faith in Jesus Christ means that we completely believe what he says.
We never utter: "BUT MOSES said"
When we reah back to Moses we step out of >> wholehearted Faith in Jesus,
who is the God of Moses, who is of Israel.
The Holy Spirit's services is essential to us.
As the Apostles taught: "the natural man cannot accept the things of the Spirit."

Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to the particularly baptized.

Grace to all from GOD our Father and Our LORD Jesus Christ. Amen.
As the post @ http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/79942-one-doctrine-no-divisions-2.html#post1302706 demonstrates you don't really believe Christ but instead believe that those who do as He instructs are fale prophets!
The darkness has to go for the ILLUMINATION to shine forth.

Deut.18
[20] But the prophet, who shall presume to speak a word in my name, >>[/(Like triune Baptism)

that I have not commanded him to speak
, or that shall speak in the name of other gods,
even that prophet shall die.
Go boldly BOTH are with us

Mat_28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Why is wordsponge allowed to teach those who do as Christ instructed are false prophets?
Doesn't Christianchat's rules say "Nothing anti-Christian, or inappropriate for a Christian chat room or forum."
Wouldn't teaching that those who do as Christ instructs are false prophets be anti-Christian?
Mat 7:15 "Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are savage wolves.

2Ti 4:3For the time will come when people will not tolerate healthy doctrine, but with itching ears will surround themselves with teachers who cater to their people's own desires.

Indeed we live in perilous times!

 
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I do not accept this proposition. God infers the power of God of which Jesus was necessarily divested in order to become incarnate.
False premise. GOD is more than just power.
 
Nov 13, 2013
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False premise. GOD is more than just power.
Hello my brother,

BOTH are with us.

The people of truth will survive with GOD and his Christ.

Many will find that there is a mismatch between what is in their head and GOD's word for us.

People who genuinely were in ereo will recover also >>>

This is the LORD's work... Be brave.

He made himself look weak on the Cross and as a poor man.

Our LORD has stumbled some but they can arsie with the light.

Be strong in Jesus, the Mighty God, the Beloved and supported by the Father.

(TRUE) Men will arise.

They know the suffering of their parents and g'parents
while killers lived well and well connected. :)

They forgot that GOD takes vengeance.

GOD has many 'giveable' things including his literal name.... :)

Keep well brother.
 
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False premise. GOD is more than just power.
There can be no God without the power of God.

Try this for size: if God lives in unapproachable light (1 Tim 6;16), then how come he walked about on earth? How can God be in two places at once? Christ said he was "sent" but the reality is that Trinitarians assert that he never left heaven.
 
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There can be no God without the power of God.

Try this for size: if God lives in unapproachable light (1 Tim 6;16), then how come he walked about on earth? How can God be in two places at once? Christ said he was "sent" but the reality is that Trinitarians assert that he never left heaven.
2 Tim.4
[1] I charge thee therefore before God,
and the Lord Jesus Christ,
who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
[2] Preach the word;

be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke,
exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. (from the Father)
[3] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;

but after their own lusts they, having itching ears,
shall heap to themselves (un-anointed) teachers (from God through the Apostles)
[4] And they shall turn away their ears from the truth,

and shall be turned unto fables.
 
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There can be no God without the power of God.
That is just an assumption you make. That's the mystery of GOD that his weakness is greater than the greatest power of the enemy, and he proved it with Christ - GOD in the flesh.