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Israel

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AnandaHya said:
?? your statement makes no sense.

It was not her free will that caused the trials she endured it was those who inflicted their will upon her. they were disobedient to God. they choose to do what God forbid.

It is her will to allow bitterness and hate to eat away at her life and stay enslaved to sin or to obey God and understand His freedom, grace, mercy and Love by forgiving those who misuse her and praying for them to repent and come to truly know God and obey Him so they might not repeat the sin upon another.

that is what I would tell such a young woman. I would ask: will you live in love or will you live in hate?

Will you allow God to heal you or will you pick at the scab and pour salt on the wound?
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That's an extreme example but it's the same for everyone. One with no money will steal to eat. One with no shelter might trespass on property for shelter. I don't want to streal, but by being weak in the flesh and subjected to vanity again against my will , being under the elements. God being Spirit doesn't need food to live, while I'm subjected to the vanity of hunger. I won't steal all the time as I know it's wrong. I delight after the law in the inner man, but the weakness in my flesh being exposed to hunger gave way to what I knew was wrong to do! Sin took advantage of me. I don't want to be like this, but I am.
 
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Israel said:
Tell that to a young girl taken from her family and forced to prostitute to survive. Where's her free will?
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That girl can choose to run away from her family and get a job as a waiter and work herself up either way.

Free will is not an allusion.
 
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cronjecj said:
That girl can choose to run away from her family and get a job as a waiter and work herself up either way.

Free will is not an allusion.
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In a slave and prostitution racket where most who are taken are never heard from again?
 
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Israel said:
That's an extreme example but it's the same for everyone. One with no money will steal to eat. One with no shelter might trespass on property for shelter. I don't want to streal, but by being weak in the flesh and subjected to vanity again against my will , being under the elements. God being Spirit doesn't need food to live, while I'm subjected to the vanity of hunger. I won't steal all the time as I know it's wrong. I delight after the law in the inner man, but the weakness in my flesh being exposed to hunger gave way to what I knew was wrong to do! Sin took advantage of me. I don't want to be like this, but I am.
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Yes but it's still a choice.

a poor man may steal to eat but another will rather die then to steal and dishonor the name of God.

It's a continual battle between flesh vs spirit.
 
2knowhim

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This choice thing really makes me angry.

Is it God who Saves or is it people who saves themselves?
 
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Israel said:
In a slave and prostitution racket where most who are taken are never heard from again?
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Well if she is held against her will and she dies trying to escape then she will surely find her life again.

...but if she tries to keep her life by giving in to prostitution, she will loose it.
 
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2knowhim said:
This choice thing really makes me angry.

Is it God who Saves or is it people who saves themselves?
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2knowhim

It's God who saves a sinner AFTER one chooses to believe in Him through Christ.
 
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Israel

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cronjecj said:
Yes but it's still a choice.

a poor man may steal to eat but another will rather die then to steal and dishonor the name of God.

It's a continual battle between flesh vs spirit.
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Is the choice free? How many starves to death of their own free will?

These decisions are influenced by forces we cannot control.
 
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Israel & 2knowhim

Who can resist the will of God?

...ANYONE.

Only those who does the will of the Father will inherit eternal life Matthew 7:21 (KJV)
 
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Israel

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cronjecj said:
Well if she is held against her will and she dies trying to escape then she will surely find her life again.

...but if she tries to keep her life by giving in to prostitution, she will loose it.
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How can you believe such a horrible thing!?
 
2knowhim

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So your answer is people save themselves,
Not God?

And that Anyone can resist The Will of God?

Oh my.
 
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Israel

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cronjecj said:
Israel & 2knowhim

Who can resist the will of God?

...ANYONE.

Only those who does the will of the Father will inherit eternal life Matthew 7:21 (KJV)
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Do you know the definition of captive? If so, please post it.
 
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Israel said:
How can you believe such a horrible thing!?
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Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. Luke 17:33 (KJV)

Don't mean to sound horrible here but is it not the truth?
 
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Israel said:
Do you know the definition of captive? If so, please post it.
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A person who has been taken prisoner or an animal that has been confined. (imprisoned)

captive = imprisonment against an individual's will.
 
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a man plans his course but God directive his footsteps. Proverbs 16:9 (KJV)
 
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It is God's will for all men to be saved.

Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 1 Timothy 2:4 (KJV)
 
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Israel & 2knowhim

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (KJV)
 
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...for the three of us, have a bite.
 
2knowhim

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Cronjecj,

Have you ever been Unrighteous? or any of those things?

And was it YOUR CHOICE That made you Righteous?

Or was it Gods Grace?
 
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