To Drink or Not to drink that is the question
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That is not true. When the Bible says that to the pure minded all things are pure, it is not referring to sinful things. The pure hearted wouldn't want sinful things. Thus, all that the pure of heart would indulge in would be godly and pure things. One must also think about how some people can turn any statement to something perverse or foul and how some people never, ever cross that line, beit in their own minds or in their speech or actions.
By the logic of 'all things are pure to the pure', once again, anything can be justified, and I fear that this is what the church today lives with. I am saved and all things are lawful for me to do. Yet, they leave off, 'but not all things are beneficial'.
By the logic of 'all things are pure to the pure', once again, anything can be justified, and I fear that this is what the church today lives with. I am saved and all things are lawful for me to do. Yet, they leave off, 'but not all things are beneficial'.
Moderate alcohol use--here's some advice from the CDC:
link -> CDC - Frequently Asked Questions - Alcohol
"What do you mean by heavy drinking?
For men, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than 2 drinks per day, or more than 14 drinks per week. For women, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than 1 drink per day, or more than 7 drinks per week."
I'm alcoholic, I think if you drink more than the CDC recommendations then you are no longer "drinking", you are "self-medicating with alcohol". Alcoholism is a progressive disease so once you start self-medicating with alcohol then it's time to quit--period--your relationship with alcohol is already dangerous to you.
link -> CDC - Frequently Asked Questions - Alcohol
"What do you mean by heavy drinking?
For men, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than 2 drinks per day, or more than 14 drinks per week. For women, heavy drinking is typically defined as consuming an average of more than 1 drink per day, or more than 7 drinks per week."
I'm alcoholic, I think if you drink more than the CDC recommendations then you are no longer "drinking", you are "self-medicating with alcohol". Alcoholism is a progressive disease so once you start self-medicating with alcohol then it's time to quit--period--your relationship with alcohol is already dangerous to you.
I thaught your "existentialist" question was "to drink or not to drink".
I have noticed that in the Bible, all the aspects about alimentation are not only religious reccomendations, but also hygienical and even medical. In the Old Testament, for example, eating pork was forbidden because this animal was seen as unclean, but Jesus Christ said: "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man". Of course, pork is still not the best choice for your meal but if you eat it that doesn`t make you a sinner or unclean in a spiritual way. Having a glass of wine that goes with your dinner not only it is not a sin, but it doesn`t affect your health either, quite on the contrary. Tabbaco, unfortunately, damages your body cells whether we talk about a half of cigarette or an entire one.
I have noticed that in the Bible, all the aspects about alimentation are not only religious reccomendations, but also hygienical and even medical. In the Old Testament, for example, eating pork was forbidden because this animal was seen as unclean, but Jesus Christ said: "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man". Of course, pork is still not the best choice for your meal but if you eat it that doesn`t make you a sinner or unclean in a spiritual way. Having a glass of wine that goes with your dinner not only it is not a sin, but it doesn`t affect your health either, quite on the contrary. Tabbaco, unfortunately, damages your body cells whether we talk about a half of cigarette or an entire one.
[h=3]Proverbs 31[/h]King James Version (KJV)
31 The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.
2 What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?
3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
It seem you are heavy of heart my friend hmmmm so drink onnnnnnnn
31 The words of king Lemuel, the prophecy that his mother taught him.
2 What, my son? and what, the son of my womb? and what, the son of my vows?
3 Give not thy strength unto women, nor thy ways to that which destroyeth kings.
4 It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine; nor for princes strong drink:
5 Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgment of any of the afflicted.
6 Give strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of heavy hearts.
7 Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
It seem you are heavy of heart my friend hmmmm so drink onnnnnnnn
Hmmm, I've been drinking for roughly 12 years now...not an alcoholic still only have a few beers a couple nights a week, guess ive been in sin this whole time? Oh wait see I dont get drunk, I've learned my limits. And yet here come the holy rolling high on themselves legalists trying to force something down my throat again by saying its all sin...
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Abstinence from alcohol is a safe victory over it.
Successful moderation is a special kind of victory over it, not for everyone.
Failed moderation, addiction, is always a loss.
And every single person who drinks or doesn't drink, Christian or not, knows which category they fall into.
Alcohol is given in scripture as an illustration of self-control, how we are to determine when any given act or thought process transforms from pleasure into regretful and careless excess.
There are two illustrations of self-control with alcohol, how often it is consumed, and to what degree it is consumed in a session.
It is "snake handling", or a "balancing act"
How much savings constitutes greed?
What kind of sex is harmful?
When am I allowed to fight back?
Should pot be legal?
And so on.
Successful moderation is a special kind of victory over it, not for everyone.
Failed moderation, addiction, is always a loss.
And every single person who drinks or doesn't drink, Christian or not, knows which category they fall into.
Alcohol is given in scripture as an illustration of self-control, how we are to determine when any given act or thought process transforms from pleasure into regretful and careless excess.
There are two illustrations of self-control with alcohol, how often it is consumed, and to what degree it is consumed in a session.
It is "snake handling", or a "balancing act"
How much savings constitutes greed?
What kind of sex is harmful?
When am I allowed to fight back?
Should pot be legal?
And so on.
He said it Himself in Matthew 11:
[SUP]11[/SUP] Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.[SUP]12[/SUP] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[SUP]13[/SUP] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[SUP]14[/SUP] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[SUP]15[/SUP] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[SUP]16[/SUP] But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
[SUP]17[/SUP] And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
[SUP]18[/SUP] For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
[SUP]19[/SUP] The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.[SUP]
20[/SUP] Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
He and the twelve drank it at Passover (Last Supper) Mark 14:
[SUP]17[/SUP] And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
[SUP]18[/SUP] And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
[SUP]19[/SUP] And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, Is it I? and another said, Is it I?
[SUP]20[/SUP] And he answered and said unto them, It is one of the twelve, that dippeth with me in the dish.
[SUP]21[/SUP] The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
[SUP]22[/SUP] And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
[SUP]23[/SUP] And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
[SUP]24[/SUP] And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
[SUP]25[/SUP] Verily I say unto you,I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
[SUP]26[/SUP] And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
[SUP]11[/SUP] Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.[SUP]12[/SUP] And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
[SUP]13[/SUP] For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[SUP]14[/SUP] And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[SUP]15[/SUP] He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[SUP]16[/SUP] But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,
[SUP]17[/SUP] And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.
[SUP]18[/SUP] For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
[SUP]19[/SUP] The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.[SUP]
20[/SUP] Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:
He and the twelve drank it at Passover (Last Supper) Mark 14:
[SUP]17[/SUP] And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
[SUP]18[/SUP] And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
[SUP]19[/SUP] And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, Is it I? and another said, Is it I?
[SUP]20[/SUP] And he answered and said unto them, It is one of the twelve, that dippeth with me in the dish.
[SUP]21[/SUP] The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
[SUP]22[/SUP] And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
[SUP]23[/SUP] And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them: and they all drank of it.
[SUP]24[/SUP] And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
[SUP]25[/SUP] Verily I say unto you,I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
[SUP]26[/SUP] And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives.
This is a straw-man fallacy and a total cop-out.
A "delivered alcoholic's" problem isn't alcohol,
and it certainly isn't another person's consumption of it.
It's like saying a person who has a spending problem should
never have money or be around people who have money,
or a fat person should never eat or be around people who eat.
It's called a behavioral problem.
Like I said earlier, if you don't choose to drink alcohol,
that's your business, don't drink it.
I choose to consume it responsibly and within the law.
I would never presume to tell anybody that it was "wrong"
or "sinful" for them to have a drink within those parameters.
A "delivered alcoholic's" problem isn't alcohol,
and it certainly isn't another person's consumption of it.
It's like saying a person who has a spending problem should
never have money or be around people who have money,
or a fat person should never eat or be around people who eat.
It's called a behavioral problem.
Like I said earlier, if you don't choose to drink alcohol,
that's your business, don't drink it.
I choose to consume it responsibly and within the law.
I would never presume to tell anybody that it was "wrong"
or "sinful" for them to have a drink within those parameters.
I wanted to "like" this post until I got to this.
Over-consumption of alcohol, i.e., being a drunkard,
can lead to diseases, but it is not a "disease" per se.
Calling it such is liberal psychobabble.
Drunkenness is a behavioral problem.
It's all about the guy in the mirror.
He's the problem, not the alcohol, tobacco, credit-cards, drugs, sports, lust, fill-in-the-blank.
The Bible calls it idolatry.
An idol has no power but the power we grant it.
Over-consumption of alcohol, i.e., being a drunkard,
can lead to diseases, but it is not a "disease" per se.
Calling it such is liberal psychobabble.
Drunkenness is a behavioral problem.
It's all about the guy in the mirror.
He's the problem, not the alcohol, tobacco, credit-cards, drugs, sports, lust, fill-in-the-blank.
The Bible calls it idolatry.
An idol has no power but the power we grant it.
I am going to nominate you for the Nobel Prize in Medicine -> The Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine