To The Stumbling Blocks

[JaumeJ]

I live in the grace of Yeshua, probably more than many here who criticize.

The Commandments of Yahweh are my delight.

Do not come back to me saying His desire for our good moral conduct is putting anyone under the law.

Those who insist on this are abridging the Word, most of the Psalms and Proverbs.

Do not pervert the Word by teaching the Commandments of Yahweh are rescinded by grace. This is a lie.

Otherwise we would not be warned by Yeshua in His gospel, by His brother, John in his letters, and most critically important in the Book Revelation. We are taught by Yeshua to keep the Commandments.

No new teaching replaces the teaching of Yeshua.

Do not come back saying this means dietary laws, ceremonial laws, geographically explicit laws, or any laws of the Temple. If you do not know the difference, learn the difference. This is not picking anc choosing, it is the difference between what the Most High God, our Father, wants for us, and the futility of the Law.

If anyone cannot digest this very easy teaching, that would be their loss, however if you cannot cross the bridge, for God's sake, do not block those who are on their Way.

God bless all those in the Forum who are true to the Word of Yahweh in Yeshua, amen.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What are the great commandments of Moses' law?

• Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40

What does it mean to love GOD with all the heart, soul, and mind?

• For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
• If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
  
• He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21

And what are GOD's commandments?

• This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

I would like to add something to the end of my above post:

And where/when did Jesus give commandment to believe on him and love one another?

• ​Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me. John 14:1
  
• A new commandment I give to you: that you love one another—just as I have loved you, that you also love one another. John 13:34

 

[RickShafer]

What are the great commandments of Moses' law?

• Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. Matthew 22:36-40

What does it mean to love GOD with all the heart, soul, and mind?

• For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1 John 5:3
• If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15
  
• He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. John 14:21

And what are GOD's commandments?

• This is [GOD's] commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 3:23

Seems simple....don't call believers azzclowns.
Quite simple.
Now, please abide by what you claim.

 

[RickShafer]

Many in that day will say - "Lord, Lord: I was running down others for you!"
- - "I knew the truth and I defended it to the end of my life because I loved you so much"
- - - Yes you did.

 

[notuptome]

What a terrible burden to bear...heavy is the cross that makes you superior to everyone else on CC. Galatians 6:1-5 Let us bear one another's burdens. Let us encourage one another in love not in condemnation. Let us not lord our opinions over those of others.
Notice vs 3 For if a man think himself to be something when he is nothing he deceiveth himself.
Apart from the grace of God I am nothing. Apart from the righteousness of Christ I am nothing. I am subject to the same temptations of every man. It is only Christ who strengthens me to resist sin that I might yield the fruit of the Spirit when I would otherwise yield the fruit of the flesh.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[JaumeJ]

Stick to the Word and what is posted, keeping away from your online appraisal of others. There is no condemnation in ny post, just the Word. If you do not understand what is possted, be content to keep it to yourself. It is not difficult, and it is not against the Word in any manner. All who have received the Holy Spirit worship in Spirit and Truth, and what I have posted is of no offense to anyone.

What a terrible burden to bear...heavy is the cross that makes you superior to everyone else on CC. Galatians 6:1-5 Let us bear one another's burdens. Let us encourage one another in love not in condemnation. Let us not lord our opinions over those of others.
Notice vs 3 For if a man think himself to be something when he is nothing he deceiveth himself.
Apart from the grace of God I am nothing. Apart from the righteousness of Christ I am nothing. I am subject to the same temptations of every man. It is only Christ who strengthens me to resist sin that I might yield the fruit of the Spirit when I would otherwise yield the fruit of the flesh.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[crossnote]

I live in the grace of Yeshua, probably more than many here who criticize.

The Commandments of Yahweh are my delight.

Do not come back to me saying His desire for our good moral conduct is putting anyone under the law.

Those who insist on this are abridging the Word, most of the Psalms and Proverbs.

Do not pervert the Word by teaching the Commandments of Yahweh are rescinded by grace. This is a lie.

Otherwise we would not be warned by Yeshua in His gospel, by His brother, John in his letters, and most critically important in the Book Revelation. We are taught by Yeshua to keep the Commandments.

No new teaching replaces the teaching of Yeshua.

Do not come back saying this means dietary laws, ceremonial laws, geographically explicit laws, or any laws of the Temple. If you do not know the difference, learn the difference. This is not picking anc choosing, it is the difference between what the Most High God, our Father, wants for us, and the futility of the Law.

If anyone cannot digest this very easy teaching, that would be their loss, however if you cannot cross the bridge, for God's sake, do not block those who are on their Way.

God bless all those in the Forum who are true to the Word of Yahweh in Yeshua, amen.

1 Corinthians 15:56-57 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks but I'll choose to walk by faith in Yeshua.

 

[RickShafer]

1 Corinthians 15:56-57 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks but I'll choose to walk by faith in Yeshua.

That's what Jack(JaumeJ) said.
It's hard to understand when people are itching for an argument.

 

[RedTent]

1 Corinthians 15:56-57 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thanks but I'll choose to walk by faith in Yeshua.

I just read that the law can be summed up in just one "the righteous shall live by his faith". They can also be summed up in one word "love". It seems so strange to me that posters are so against all law. And being against it is faith in Yeshua? I can almost see Him responding to that.

 

[crossnote]

That's what Jack(JaumeJ) said.
It's hard to understand when people are itching for an argument.

He is pushing living by the law not faith, that is not grace. Sounds like someone is itching alright, I was only stating my stance.Think ' moderation often leads to compromise.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

He is pushing living by the law not faith, that is not grace. Sounds like someone is itching alright, I was only stating my stance.Think ' moderation often leads to compromise.

That's not what JaumieJ is trying to say at all

Romans 6

"6 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

[SUP]2 [/SUP]God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid."

The way i'm reading it, he's just trying to put this in remembrance because it is an important point.

 

[crossnote]

Whatever, I only stated my case. Assumptions were made from there.

 

[RedTent]

He is pushing living by the law not faith, that is not grace. Sounds like someone is itching alright, I was only stating my stance.Think ' moderation often leads to compromise.

We go round and round. We explain and explain and still it comes back like this!! To say living by law is not living by faith is so wrong to say. And it isn't right to say that if you listen to law you cannot have grace.

You can say we are saved only by grace, it is true. But you can't say you can be lawless and have grace.
You can say that our works without love are worthless. But you can't say that God asks us not to work for Him.
You can say that we live by faith. But you can't say that because of our faith we should not live for God, so we are not to obey.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

That's what Jack(JaumeJ) said.
It's hard to understand when people are itching for an argument.

It's probably just a habitual reaction to all of the equivocation, waffling, and veiled legalism that is so prevalent in these types of arguments.

 

[RickShafer]

How many times do we need to retrod this ground?
Did Jesus Christ come to annul the law?
Or did He come to fulfill it?
I feel like Paul who was trying to save the gentiles from the Judaizers.
Shall we sin that grace may abound?
What?
How is the law distinguished from Christ?
- Only by His sacrifice, that's it.
- - The law was perfected, so we don't obey it?
- - - What?
Jesus died for me so I can bear false witness?
He died so I can commit wanton fornication?
- - - Is that what the cross was for?
Jesus lived a perfect life and died an obedient death so I can murder now?
I can use the 'sinner's prayer' and 'tithes' to an incorporated church so I can covet incessantly?
So I can build a material fortress high and strong through any means necessary because I have the evidence of my conversion?
- Is that it?

(I don't think it is)

 

[JaumeJ]

1. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5. Honour thy father and thy mother.
6. Thou shalt not kill.
7. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8. Thou shalt not steal.
9. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10. Thou shalt not covet.

I will repeat what I have posted earlier in a post on Faith Without Works. If anyone reading the above outline on good behavior believes to follow these guidelines is works, I am afraid your love is very shallow. It is a great pleasure and satisfaction to follow them as best I am able, because it is just part of loving and saying thank You to Yeshua. Praise His Holy name, amen.

 

[loveme1]

He is pushing living by the law not faith, that is not grace. Sounds like someone is itching alright, I was only stating my stance.Think ' moderation often leads to compromise.

Luke 17

And the apostles said unto the Lord, Increase our faith. 6And the Lord said, If ye had faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye might say unto this sycamine tree, Be thou plucked up by the root, and be thou planted in the sea; and it should obey you.

7But which of you, having a servant plowing or feeding cattle, will say unto him by and by, when he is come from the field, Go and sit down to meat? 8And will not rather say unto him, Make ready wherewith I may sup, and gird thyself, and serve me, till I have eaten and drunken; and afterward thou shalt eat and drink? 9Doth he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded him? I trow not. 10So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.

"unprofitable servants"

The Messiah makes it very clear all we do is that which is commanded of us.

"heareth" and "doeth"

Psalm 119

11Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee.

 

[JaumeJ]

Do you believe the Ten Commandments are some kind of burden? Read them again. Is not our new nature in Yeshua enough to enlighten any that these guidelines are not laws but the Father's desire for our behavior. Are you going to say we should not follow them? Read them, and tell all which do not fall under the laws of love.

Again I say to you, my concern for obedience deals only with the Ten Commandments and it is becoming apparent you do not believe this or you are lying about what I have consistently posted. Either way you are not taking even a moment to understand. Not understand me, understand why people who are truly saved find it a joy to obey the commandments of Yahweh.

Now if it is that you simply do not like me for whatever reason, then do not come around twisting what I post. It is not seemly for any who claims to follow the Lamb of Yahweh. I ask you this in the name of Yeshua.

He is pushing living by the law not faith, that is not grace. Sounds like someone is itching alright, I was only stating my stance.Think ' moderation often leads to compromise.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

How is the law distinguished from Christ?

See this is the problem we're running into. Christ is not the 10 commandments or even the full law of Moses.