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josh123

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3 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.
10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
2 Timothy 3:1-13
 
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josh123

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if you know you are under one of these fix it for your sake not because you would be embarrassed to admit you are wrong but because it's the truth and you want to do the right thing and not worship in vain.. fix yourself if you fall under any of these.. before it's too late
 
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I think some people are missing JaumeJ's point in bringing this up. Let me try to clear it up....

Matthew 5:17-20

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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The way I'm reading it, he's just trying to place emphasis on the part in bold.
 
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josh123

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22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:22-23 gonna just explain to some that don't understand what this mean this is saying the fruits of the spirit as you seen what it is, it becomes in your nature. which mean since you are born again it's like you are born with THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT so there is law against it NO LAW TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT
 
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josh123 said:
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Galatians 5:22-23 gonna just explain to some that don't understand what this mean this is saying the fruits of the spirit as you seen what it is, it becomes in your nature. which mean since you are born again it's like you are born with THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT so there is law against it NO LAW TELLING YOU WHAT TO DO BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE FRUITS OF THE SPIRIT
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You have no clue.
 
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josh123

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the word law means rule, if it says against such there is no law it means the spirit does not need a law because the fruits is it it's nature in other words... it is like this it is in the nature for the flesh to sin.. well it is in the nature of the spirit to abide by the fruits of the spirit which means there is no law needed for the spirit because it is in it's nature to love,joy,peace,longsuffering,gentleness,goodness,faith,meekness,temperance.
 
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Donkeyfish07 said:
I think some people are missing JaumeJ's point in bringing this up. Let me try to clear it up....

Matthew 5:17-20

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17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The way I'm reading it, he's just trying to place emphasis on the part in bold.
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Of course our ( self) righteousness doesn't exceed that of the Scribes and Pharisees but they were white washed sepulchres full of dead mens bones. Our only righteousness is an alien righteousness ...the righteousness of Christ imputed to us by faith in Christ's righteousness...apart from the law.
 
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josh123

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[h=3]1 John 4:20-21 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?[/h]21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. so please enough of the " so your saying since we not suppose to abide by the law that gives us the right to steal,kill etc" if anyone of you had love that would not even come into your thoughts
 
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woka

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Boy oh boy, if only I was one of the elict that had all the scripture on the tip of my tongue to quote. Or should I be grateful that I do not but instead have the living God living inside me to just guide me along in love, His Holy Spirit to minister to my spirit and show me what is right and what is wrong.

I wonder does this make me a semi christian?

Thank you Jesus for forgiving my adultery
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving the murder
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I coverted my neighbours pots and dishes
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I stole
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I did not honour my mother and my father
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I did give falso witness about other's


I can go on and on, incase nobody here knew it, I AM A SINNER, and have broken most of the commandements, it is through His unwavering Grace, forgiveness and LOVE for me that got me through it.

Jesus came to fulfill the law and I for one am eternilly grateful.
 
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john832

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josh123 said:
1 John 4:20-21 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also. so please enough of the " so your saying since we not suppose to abide by the law that gives us the right to steal,kill etc" if anyone of you had love that would not even come into your thoughts
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1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.


1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.


Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.


Mat 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
 
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john832

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woka said:
Boy oh boy, if only I was one of the elict that had all the scripture on the tip of my tongue to quote. Or should I be grateful that I do not but instead have the living God living inside me to just guide me along in love, His Holy Spirit to minister to my spirit and show me what is right and what is wrong.

I wonder does this make me a semi christian?

Thank you Jesus for forgiving my adultery
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving the murder
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I coverted my neighbours pots and dishes
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I stole
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I did not honour my mother and my father
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I did give falso witness about other's


I can go on and on, incase nobody here knew it, I AM A SINNER, and have broken most of the commandements, it is through His unwavering Grace, forgiveness and LOVE for me that got me through it.

Jesus came to fulfill the law and I for one am eternilly grateful.
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He came to give you forgiveness for breaking the Law. Soem seem to think that is a "get out of jail free card."
 
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eternally-gratefull

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john832 said:
He came to give you forgiveness for breaking the Law. Soem seem to think that is a "get out of jail free card."
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lol. it was not free. it was paid for by the blood and spiritual death of Gods eternal son.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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woka said:
Boy oh boy, if only I was one of the elict that had all the scripture on the tip of my tongue to quote. Or should I be grateful that I do not but instead have the living God living inside me to just guide me along in love, His Holy Spirit to minister to my spirit and show me what is right and what is wrong.

I wonder does this make me a semi christian?

Thank you Jesus for forgiving my adultery
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving the murder
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I coverted my neighbours pots and dishes
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I stole
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I did not honour my mother and my father
Thank you Lord Jesus for forgiving me when I did give falso witness about other's


I can go on and on, incase nobody here knew it, I AM A SINNER, and have broken most of the commandements, it is through His unwavering Grace, forgiveness and LOVE for me that got me through it.

Jesus came to fulfill the law and I for one am eternilly grateful.
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amen to that.

the more we come to know God. the more sinfull we realise we truly are.

oh that we ALL could come to the truth like paul. we are wretched men. but for the grace of God we would be doomed!
 
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The only One Who has all the Word on the Tip of His Tongue is Yeshua. However when someone knows enough to share with the Brethren, this is by no means being a haughty or an arrogant person.

We all have been saved by the washing of the Blood of Yeshua. Previous to this happening, we were all lost. Long before this occurred for me, I had never practiced breaking the commandments, although I may have been guilty in thought which is the same as breaking one.

After the experience of the Holy Spirit our nature is changed. I should think all who have experienced this know this. If we stumble after this, we are forgiven...........

There is not a question here. However to not have this change in our nature is new to me. It should be our new person, having put off the old man. Am I wrong? I have always believed this from my elders. God bless all who believe Yeshua, amen.
 
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JaumeJ said:
This is an introductory phrase containing information relating to the rest of the post. It is a normal technique in communicating, an intoductory phrase. As per boasting, if I live in grace, and I mention it, it can only be boasting of Yeshua Messiah, the One who saved my soul.

Both of you should know this, but if that is as far as you got I suppose that explains your stance in all regard.

My post is totally derived from learning from the Word, Yeshua. If it bothers anyone that I boast of His grace, you will have to be bothered. What a waste of your efforst. Now I am going to put both of you on ignore. I have never done this before, but since you both say you see, Well, you see. You are my first and onlies, how about that?
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I live in the grace of Yeshua, probably more than many here who criticize.
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boasting, then proceeding to criticize.

that's as far as i got.
 
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Bryancampbell

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Grace through faith saves us, law teaches us moral conduct.
As a student is admissioned in a school, but studies the teachers lessons.
Just because a student may disobey and ignores his teacher, does that make him not a student? No, just an ignorant student.
So as it with a Christian is a Christian by faith, but the law (commandments) as his guide.
 
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1 Corinthians 1:23
but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Bryancampbell said:
Grace through faith saves us, law teaches us moral conduct.
As a student is admissioned in a school, but studies the teachers lessons.
Just because a student may disobey and ignores his teacher, does that make him not a student? No, just an ignorant student.
So as it with a Christian is a Christian by faith, but the law (commandments) as his guide.
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How can the law be our guide?

the law in the school tells us do this or that, don;t do this or that. that is not a guide per say, unless we understand the jist of WHY we are not to do this or that, or not do this or that. the law is useless. We will not obey it unless it benefits us..
 
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Bryancampbell

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eternally-gratefull said:

How can the law be our guide?

the law in the school tells us do this or that, don;t do this or that. that is not a guide per say, unless we understand the jist of WHY we are not to do this or that, or not do this or that. the law is useless. We will not obey it unless it benefits us..
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Law of the heart, morals of God. Commandments of the Lord. Guide to lead us to walk a Christian walk. For without your works, how will I know your saved by faith? Anyone can claim to be Christian and live like a heathen all week. Your works by obedience shows your genuine saving faith.
 
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