Todd White - Twisted Grace is created by the Enemy

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
Everyone is trying to be so cute and cryptic, that I have no idea who might be criticizing Todd and who isn't. LOL
I'm all for him and he is doing the work as an evangelists! He's a much needed part of the body of Christ. We all have a part to play and we all have different functions within the body.
 
L

ladylynn

Guest
[FONT=&quot]Where do people find the time (the hours and hours) to learn alllll about topics they hate?? What drives people on youtube to spend more hours and hours making disparaging videos about all the people they don't like and those people and things they disagree with? If I spend time rehearsing and remembering the things in life I disagree with., that I'm not uplifted by, I'm soon very depressed and empty.

The reason I focus and NEED to focus on Jesus love is because His love is what lifts me up out of this sinful and fallen hopeless world that has no ability to do anything steadfast or lasting. Only what we learn and do for Christ will last and benefit and feed us., so it's always time well spent.

I can focus (dwell) on Jesus and His love.,and the Bible says he who dwells in the secret place of the Most High, will abide IN THE Shadow of the Almighty. If I were to focus 'dwell' on the limitations of human beings (including myself) I would not be in that secret place of the Most High. I would be easy pickins for the enemy., I'd be defeated and good for nothing. I want to abide in the shadow of the Almighty., not in the shadow of negative words.,gossip and slander where the world dwells.

We humans have our limits and failures in life. When the GOOD NEWS IS: God so LOVED the world that HE GAVE His only begotten SON., that whosoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life., why are Christians soaking in something else???? To what end?????
[/FONT]
 
T

Tintin

Guest
To our readers..... Because of the falling away predicted in 2 Thessalonians 2:3, million upon millions of christians will leave the faith. It DOESN'T say they will leave their churches. AAMOF, mega churches are growing. The church structure stays about the same, but who's saved by a church's systematic structure?

If you take over their doctrine, you control millions of people.

Has anyone ever thought of this: if millions will be deceived, there HAS to be people out there preaching to those millions?

As a rule & as a Berean, I especially don't trust televangelists because they ARE preaching to the millions.....AND taking their money.

Just look at how fast the TV church is growing..... How many "christian" TV networks are out there? And, how many of these same "televangelists" are on there selling their wares? Just how corrupt is TV church?

In the world, if you control the media, you control what's told to the people. Yet we can't fathom the idea that TV ministry is simply the media controlling religion?

Their "preachers" brag that they don't take a salary..... so what? How many pastors are out there taking "cost of living" expenses to control their taxes owed? Now, imagine the "living expenses" of a televangelist for a private jet, the pilot, body guards, presidential suites to sleep in, vacation getaways, fancy restaurant tabs, clothes, limos & Rolls Royces & their drivers, mechanics, maids in their mansions, their multiple mansions, upkeep for their pools, horses, boats, & whatever else they have that's expensive. I could live off of the costs of keeping their olympic size pool in good shape!

BEHOLD THEIR "LIVING EXPENSES"!!
BEHOLD THE FALSE PROPHETS & THEIR LIES!!

2 Thessalonians 2:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: [SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Todd White isn't a TV evangelist, nor does he take money from anyone. He doesn't care much for material possessions. This guy oozes godly authenticity and the Holy Spirit's truth and power.
 

GuessWho

Senior Member
Nov 8, 2014
1,227
34
48
He is able to grow legs?
No, he isn't. It's just a trick.

Here's a film called Miracles for sale that exposes these "healers".

If you don't have the time to watch it entirely (though I hope more naive people will see it), watch from min. 22:03 until minute 24.

[video=youtube;iuP5uOI7Xwc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuP5uOI7Xwc#t=1303.967009[/video]
 
W

WarriorForChrist

Guest
No, he isn't. It's just a trick.

Here's a film called Miracles for sale that exposes these "healers".

If you don't have the time to watch it entirely (though I hope more naive people will see it), watch from min. 22:03 until minute 24.

[video=youtube;iuP5uOI7Xwc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuP5uOI7Xwc#t=1303.967009[/video]
Todd White isn't one of these.
 
Feb 7, 2015
22,418
413
0
No, he isn't. It's just a trick.

Here's a film called Miracles for sale that exposes these "healers".

If you don't have the time to watch it entirely (though I hope more naive people will see it), watch from min. 22:03 until minute 24.
Very sad. (Not the stupid video, but you, for posting this kind of trash.)
 

GuessWho

Senior Member
Nov 8, 2014
1,227
34
48
Even more sad is people who want to stay deceived.
 

Cee

Senior Member
May 14, 2010
2,169
473
83
Even more sad is people who want to stay deceived.
Derren Brown is an illusionist/mentalist. Not exactly the best source to get your information from.

I've actually met Todd White and he's a super nice guy. And I've seen many miracles. God actually is the same today as He was 2000 yrs ago. Jesus also said we would do the same things, He did. Some believe Him and others don't.

Luke 18:8 Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?
 
U

UnderGrace

Guest
Do all of you also support Bill Johnson of Bethel Church and the New Apostolic Reformation?

Just curious? Sad though how a person gets attacked for taking a different view, indeed it is not only the legalistic that can be mean.
 
U

UnderGrace

Guest
You do know that these are his affiliations. Bill Johnson now sees glory dust in air, little pieces of gold that come from God.

How very wonderful is that!!
 
T

Tintin

Guest
You do know that these are his affiliations. Bill Johnson now sees glory dust in air, little pieces of gold that come from God.

How very wonderful is that!!
Don't knock it if you don't understand it. I'm Lutheran and I've seen gold dust on myself and others.
 
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
Do all of you also support Bill Johnson of Bethel Church and the New Apostolic Reformation?

Just curious? Sad though how a person gets attacked for taking a different view, indeed it is not only the legalistic that can be mean.
I myself have been to Bill Johnson's church and spent a month there last year. I can say that the Spirit of the Lord is there in those services. The love of the Lord is everywhere in that atmosphere.

I have looked into Bill Johnson's eyes and saw the love of Christ gleaming out. He is the real deal even if heretic-hunters don't agree with some things.

My brother was there in one of those services where this gold dust showed up and it did happen. It may not go along with our experiences. and what we "think" the Lord should be doing. This only happened a few times and it is well documented. It has not happened for a few years now but it was real.

I would caution you greatly to take with a gallon of salt what these self-proclaimed heretic hunters are saying. They are usually against anything that is of the miraculous from God.
 
Last edited:
T

Tintin

Guest
Bethel Church are pretty great, but I don't follow any human ministry 100% eg. one concern of mine is their non-biblical practice concerning the mantle of Elijah.
 
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
Bethel Church are pretty great, but I don't follow any human ministry 100% eg. one concern of mine is their non-biblical practice concerning the mantle of Elijah.
As I said...I was there for a month but I never heard anything about this mantle thing. I don't believe in any "mantles" to tell you the truth. We don't get other people's "mantles" as they did in the OT.

We have Christ now and He has set us in the body as He desires and we all have the "anointing " we need to do what we are to do - we don't get someone else's "mantle".

I too don't follow nor agree with any ministry 100% no matter who they are.
 
T

Tintin

Guest
As I said...I was there for a month but I never heard anything about this mantle thing. I don't believe in any "mantles" to tell you the truth. We don't get other people's "mantles" as they did in the OT.

We have Christ now and He has set us in the body as He desires and we all have the "anointing " we need to do what we are to do - we don't get someone else's "mantle".

I too don't follow nor agree with any ministry 100% no matter who they are.
True, brother. I agree with you. Also, this is a small part of their ministry, so that's probably why you haven't heard about it. Bit envious that you joined them in worship for a month. That's so cool!
 
Nov 22, 2015
20,436
1,430
0
True, brother. I agree with you. Also, this is a small part of their ministry, so that's probably why you haven't heard about it. Bit envious that you joined them in worship for a month. That's so cool!
It wasn't cool when I was there..it was 117 degrees for about one week of the month. 98 was cool to us then...lol

I have been there a few times as well as my brother ( he was there when the gold dust fell - it's funny to hear him talk about it. People tell him all the time - that's not real - he just says.." I was there and saw it" ). And the gold dust fell when they were singing "Our Father".

Here is a video of it.

[video=youtube;mLtGrvw2ppo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLtGrvw2ppo[/video]

The music worship there is awesome and the people genuinely love each other. After spending a month there - I can honestly say that these people love the Lord and others with all they have. The atmosphere there is one of peace and love. They have a specific purpose in the body of Christ as do other people that gather in His name.

 

valiant

Senior Member
Mar 22, 2015
8,025
124
63
Amen, Jesus told us to heal the sick, cast out demons, raise the dead, cleans the leper, And thank God He has used me to do them all.
Modest as ever.

Funny that no one in the uk knows about it?
 
Last edited:
U

UnderGrace

Guest
Well, I do not need to listen or read any heretic hunters, in this day and age I can hear their twists and turns with my own ears right from their own websites.

I thank God for those heretic hunters though, as you like to call them, because many of them contend for the truth and they expose error.

While yes I do take many with great caution, I also know that false teaching is also abounding from the legalistic to the those who abuse the doctrine of grace and God's love.

Well my bible tells me the (doxa) glory of God is not glitter, and those who encounter it in Scripture, fall to their faces in fear. Secondly, Jesus Christ came and walked earth as the glory of God, I do need not signs and wonders, I have the real deal already!!!

I refuse to give glitter clouds, feathers, or church drunkenness as something from God...... it is chaos.

Should we then consider that Bethel’s ministry of “Grave Sucking” or their new “Prophecy of the Tattoo” ministry, dead-raising team, healing rooms, post-tribulationalism, or the fact that their youth frolic through tunnels of fire in orgie induced euphoria as part of God's instruction to us as believers?

Really is this what the apostles did? Did they go to the graves of the prophets and suck up their energy?

I haven't mentioned his false doctrine of Jesus emptying himself of divinity and became divine while on earth or some such nonsense. This is all available directly from Johnson as well.

To grow to true depths in God’s grace one should not need an emotional pulpit show, why does one need glitter dumped on them and to leave church feeling inebriated. They can easily receive that Monday-Friday.

We should attend church to “grow in the knowledge of their Lord and Savior and to know Him and His sufferings, knowing that these light and temporary troubles are storing up for them a glory that outweighs them all.” (2 Cor 4:17)

I will pray for you, there are many veils today not just the legal ones.









I myself have been to Bill Johnson's church and spent a month there last year. I can say that the Spirit of the Lord is there in those services. The love of the Lord is everywhere in that atmosphere.

I have looked into Bill Johnson's eyes and saw the love of Christ gleaming out. He is the real deal even if heretic-hunters don't agree with some things.

My brother was there in one of those services where this gold dust showed up and it did happen. It may not go along with our experiences. and what we "think" the Lord should be doing. This only happened a few times and it is well documented. It has not happened for a few years now but it was real.

I would caution you greatly to take with a gallon of salt what these self-proclaimed heretic hunters are saying. They are usually against anything that is of the miraculous from God.