Transgender

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JGIG

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I think the transgender/gay/whatever else is part of judgment (for the most part). It is part of being turned over to a reprobate mind.

Sexual dysfunction such as is being discussed here is not always a chosen behavior, but often the result of deeply wounded and abused souls. God is judging them for being abused?

If an abuser were to break bones in someones body (especially a child), and those bones were never tended to and set properly so that they could heal strait and true, that person would not grow properly and could not physically function properly. All of us would see and have compassion on that person, understanding that for that person to again become functional, there would be much to do - the breaking and resetting of bones and a long, long recovery time, physical therapy with many years to bring that person back to some semblance of normal. And we would understand if complete normal was perhaps not attainable for them - like I said before, not everything this side of eternity can be 'fixed'.

Yet when someone comes with unseen wounds, and the growth and function that is improper is not physical but behavioral, compassion for those wounded souls is often withheld. Folks, especially religious folks, are more concerned with that wounded person snapping to with acceptable behavior rather than being willing to work through the necessary healing with them and letting good behavior become the fruit of a New Creation in Christ and a healed heart. There are of course precautions that must be taken to protect the vulnerable from those who are coming out of sexually dysfunctional lifestyles, as those who are abused often become abusers. Not many bodies of believers are willing to go to that kind of trouble.

These are not pleasant scenarios, and it's much easier to just throw the Law at someone and tell them you expect them to shape up or ship out, right?

Much more difficult and requiring much more effort is to love people well and minister to them the love of Christ and help them to heal and understand who they are in Christ once they receive Him into their lives.

-JGIG
 
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eph610

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#62
I think the transgender/gay/whatever else is part of judgment (for the most part). It is part of being turned over to a reprobate mind.
Is the young adult heterosexual christian couple, that serve on the church worship team and are living together and not married and having sex all the time also being judged and likewise being turned over to a reprobate mind?

Oh and what about their Pastor that knows its happening, but won't say anything, because Steve and Michelle lead worship so well and if he calls them out he may lose offerings and people.

Be careful here Mike
 

JGIG

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Incidentally a story (true I might add).

A prostitute came to Christ, her wardrobe comprised of skimpy revealing
clothes. It's all she had and all she had ever worn for years.

She turned up to Church in these skimpy clothes every week praising God!
The women in the church tut tutted and tried to evert the eyes of the men (notice the
men didn't try too hard to look away!).

So some of the women went to see the pastor and said he should speak to her and tell her
how the bible expected her to dress. The pastor told the women to leave her alone she was
a new born again Christian and it was not right to crush her, that God would deal with her and
instead to pray for her - and themselves!

Maybe 6 months or so later, this new Christian was in the women's bible study and she asked
the other women about clothing, she said she felt maybe she needed to change a little
but wasn't sure what to do for the best but she wanted some new clothes and didn't have
much money.

Guess what the next week all the women turned up with bundles of clothes for her. She was
thrilled to bits at the generosity of the church and everyone else breathed a sigh of relief. :D

A true story, it was played out in the church of some friends I have known for years, he was
the pastor.
Love it!

And kudos to that pastor for his wisdom!

Not only did he foster growth, patience, and maturity in his flock, but as God did His work in the heart of the former prostitute, the women got to participate instead of control - blessing them all!

Thanks for sharing!

-JGIG
 

Magenta

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Adam was fully male and fully female. Think about it. God removed
from Adam that which became Eve. People are stuck in gender identity
and roles. I understand it but at the same time it boggles my mind that
people can't get past it. And gender dysphoria seems to be on the rise.


What happens when your son tells you he’s really a girl?

Twenty years ago, you probably would have crossed your fingers and tried to wait it out. Today, you might buy him a whole new wardrobe, find someone to prescribe hormone blockers, and help him live as a girl. Maybe he’ll even become a celebrity. A recent Maclean’s magazine cover, posing that very question, featured a lovely 11-year-old with long, flowing locks and enormous eyes. His name used to be Oliver.

Suddenly transgender kids are everywhere – in the news, on Dr. Phil and in your neighbourhood. School boards have developed detailed transgender policies. Clinics to treat transgender kids have sprung up. A condition that used to be vanishingly rare, perhaps one in 10,000 children or less, now seems common. In a random sampling of 6th- to 8th-graders in San Francisco, kids were asked if they identified as male, female or transgendered – 1.3 per cent checked off the transgendered box.

What’s going on? To find out, I sat down with Dr. Ken Zucker, one of the world’s foremost authorities on gender identity issues in children and adolescents. As head of the Gender Identity Service at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, he has worked with hundreds of kids like Olie.

“The No. 1 factor is the Internet,” he said. “If you’re struggling to find out where you fit, the Internet is filled with things about gender dysphoria.”

“When we ask, ‘When did you first learn about this label of gender dysphoria’, they’ll say, ‘Me and Mom watched Oprah,’ ” adds Dr. Hayley Wood, a member of his team.

Gender dysphoria (formerly known as gender identity disorder) means being at odds with your biological sex. It’s not the same as being born with ambivalent genitalia, or being gay. The popular shorthand is “being born in the wrong body,” although that formulation probably does more harm than good. Sex-reassignment treatment is appropriate for some (although by no means all) adults who are unhappy with their gender identity, and some go on to live significantly happier lives.

But for kids, especially younger ones, the issue is much more problematic. Gender confusion is often temporary. About three-quarters of little kids who have issues with their gender – boys who want to be princesses, girls who throw their dresses in the garbage – will be comfortable with it by adolescence, according to Dr. Zucker. (Many of them will grow up to be gay or bi.) Gender confusion can also be a handy label for whatever ails a child (or her family). That’s why Dr. Zucker takes a watch-and-wait approach. He even advises parents of princessy six-year-olds to say, “You’re not a girl. You’re a boy.”

And in the hotly politicized world of gender politics, that makes him, in many people’s eyes, a dangerous reactionary. They argue that a child’s identity must be honoured, and that treatment should start sooner rather than later. They equate the watch-and-wait approach with the widely discredited practice of reparative therapy, which was a failed effort to turn gay kids straight. With the advent of powerful new drugs that delay puberty, the stakes in this debate are even higher. Start them early on puberty-blocking drugs, and their eventual transition will be easier. But which kids? What if you’re pushing them on a path they don’t need to go down? At what point do you start taking life-altering decisions for a child that will have enormous physical, social and emotional consequences?

Alice Dreger is a bioethicist and professor at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago. She calls herself an (im)patient advocate who prefers evidence to ideology. She is a strong supporter of transgender rights. But she thinks the pendulum has swung too far.

One reason is that social norms have dramatically changed. It is now fashionable to embrace your diverse child. Parents who encourage their kids to change gender “are socially rewarded as wonderful and accepting,” while parents who try to take it slow “are seen as unaccepting, lacking in affection and conservative,” she says.

These days, parents who don’t like the slow-and-careful answer can shop for another one. Ms. Dreger is highly critical of what she calls the “hasty clinics,” which are happy to help a kid transition right away. “Parents don’t like uncertainty,” she says. “They’d rather be told, ‘Here’s the diagnosis, and it’s all gonna turn out fine.’” Teenagers can find fast help, too. Plenty of doctors are happy to help them out with hormone treatments just for the asking.

For some people, including some adolescents, transgender treatment is lifesaving. But these treatments are neither simple nor benign. They may, among other things, retard maturation, suppress your growth or render you sterile. And in the end, medical science cannot create a body that makes you forget you were born the other sex. “Some kids need it, but for the kids who don’t, it’s dangerous,” she says. “All else being equal, it’s better to avoid long-term hormone therapy and major surgery that removes a lot of tissue.”

Disturbingly, data on long-term outcomes for transgender kids are scarce. No one is tracking the evidence on puberty-blocking intervention either. “We are doing major interventions and we have shockingly little idea what the outcomes are,” Ms. Dreger says. You get the sense that what we have is not so much a rational approach to a psychosocial issue as a radical ideological experiment.

Here’s more unwelcome news from Ms. Dreger. A child’s gender issue may merely be a symptom of other family problems. “The dirty little secret is that many of these families have big dysfunctional issues. When you get the clinicians over a beer, they’ll tell you the truth. A lot of the parents aren’t well in terms of their mental health. They think that once the child transitions, all their problems will magically go away, but that’s not really where the stress is located.” Clinicians won’t say these things publicly, she says, because they don’t want to sound as if they’re blaming gender problems on screwed-up families.

It’s a mark of social progress that we are increasingly willing to accept people on their terms, for who they are. But maybe we’re manufacturing more problems than we’re solving. If we really want to help people, we should remember the old rule: First, do no harm. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/transgender-kids-have-we-gone-too-far/article16897043/

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Twenty-five years and my life is still
Tryin' to get up that great big hill of hope
For a destination

I realized quickly when I knew I should
That the world was made up of this brotherhood of man
For whatever that means

And so I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed
Just to get it all out, what's in my head
And I, I am feeling a little peculiar

And so I wake in the morning and I step outside
And I take a deep breath and I get real high
And I scream from the top of my lungs
"What's going on?"

And I say, hey-ey-ey
Hey-ey-ey
I said "Hey, a-what's going on?"
And I say, hey-ey-ey
Hey-ey-ey
I said "Hey, a-what's going on?"

Ooh, ooh
Ooh
Ooh, uh huh
Ooh, ooh
Ooh
Ooh, uh huh

And I try
Oh my God, do I try
I try all the time
In this institution

And I pray
Oh my God, do I pray
I pray every single day
For a revolution

And so I cry sometimes when I'm lying in bed
Just to get it all out, what's in my head
And I, I am feeling a little peculiar

And so I wake in the morning and I step outside
And I take a deep breath and I get real high
And I scream from the top of my lungs
"What's going on?"

And I say, hey-ey-ey
Hey-ey-ey
I said "Hey, what's going on?"
And I say, hey-ey-ey
Hey-ey-ey
I said "Hey, a-what's going on?"
And I say, hey-ey-ey
(Wake in the morning and step outside)
Hey-ey-ey
(Take a deep breath and I get real high)
(And I scream)
I said "Hey, a-what's going on?"
And I say, hey-ey-ey
(Wake in the morning and step outside)
Hey-ey, yeah yeah yeah
(Take a deep breath and I get real high)
(And I scream)
I said "Hey, a-what's going on?"

Ooh, ooh
Ooh
Ooh, uh huh

Twenty-five years and my life is still
Tryin' to get up that great big hill of hope
For a destination, mmm
 

jsr1221

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By asking Him for forgiveness? What is the point you are making here? That they shouldnt seek His mercy because theyve already sinned?
The poster said it's total repentance or nothing. Something like transgenderism is different from those examples I provided. I was wanting her opinion.
 
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So how would one repent from an abortion? Or a crime? Or sex before marriage? Or drunkenness? Can't really undo those once the acts are done.
The poster said it's total repentance or nothing. Something like transgenderism is different from those examples I provided. I was wanting her opinion.
I hadn't checked back here in awhile, apologies. The basis of repentance is not "i have to undo what i've done otherwise there's no real repentance gone on". No, repentance is realizing the error of your ways, asking God for forgiveness, drawing a line in the sand and starting afresh with the Lord. It means being consciously aware of your new moral code in line with the Lord's word and making every effort to commit your heart and actions to this. You are correct in saying you can't undo the things that you listed off. However, on the transgender issue, when that person is getting to know God and seeing themselves through Christ, that's the beginning or the roots of at least a new journey, of not just repentance but living out their Christian walk.