You see God the way you want to see him. You see God the way people have told you to see him. Maybe someday you can have the unique experience with Him that he would like you to have. You won't until A) you stop judging and focusing on everyone elses walk and B) you realize that sinful people may have passed on bad information to you.
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Sirk - I get my views from scripture and dealing with the words they put forward.
And I have unique experiences with God, but that does not define my faith, Gods word does.
And it is Gods word that defines His truth, not what you are talking about which seems to
be totally experiential.
How much do you read scripture?
Reading Ephesians, Colossians, Philipians, Romans and looking at each sentence and structure
gets the sense of what Paul is saying and how specific he is being, and unfortunately he confirms
all my positions and makes many even stronger.
And I am not focusing on others, I am focusing on what is the gospel and Gods obvious intention
for all. If one has any ministry or understanding of Christs body and church you need a good
picture of this. So I have no clue what you are saying or intending, because it does not even
begin to fit with what God is or where He is going.
And I have unique experiences with God, but that does not define my faith, Gods word does.
And it is Gods word that defines His truth, not what you are talking about which seems to
be totally experiential.
How much do you read scripture?
Reading Ephesians, Colossians, Philipians, Romans and looking at each sentence and structure
gets the sense of what Paul is saying and how specific he is being, and unfortunately he confirms
all my positions and makes many even stronger.
And I am not focusing on others, I am focusing on what is the gospel and Gods obvious intention
for all. If one has any ministry or understanding of Christs body and church you need a good
picture of this. So I have no clue what you are saying or intending, because it does not even
begin to fit with what God is or where He is going.
So...what I hear you saying is that you come to scripture with a completely unbiased mind? And honestly, I have found you to be very condescending and very much a "know it all". And frankly, I don't think it is any of your business how much time I spend in the word. This isn't the competition you seem to want to make it out to be.
This is a very interesting point, about being unbiased.
Scripture is vast and a lot of meaning is wrapped up in emotional, empathetic concepts.
The concepts themselves are often huge, with a lot of background, culturally and in
the history of Israel. So no, it is impossible to understand a lot of it without a training
or knowledge about which it refers.
One simple idea is having blood on your hands. This refers back to Ezek 3 that if the Lord
gives you a message and you fail to pass it on, He will hold one guilty of it.
Scripture is more like a guide whose meaning changes as you become aware of the
complexities and nuances involved. A passage that did not speak much, now speaks volumes.
And the reason I am asking about foundations in scripture, because you are telling me I am
wrong and miss-guided, and I am pointing to the source of my teaching.
I am merely an encourager and disciple of Jesus. I am not here to win a battle but share
the glorious riches we have in Christ Jesus.
It is strange you want authority to teach and guide, to correct, and tell me I am wrong,
yet if I share what I know in Christ and its foundation, then I am causing a problem as if
it is I who am mistaken.
We are accountable before the Lord my friend, and these issues are eternal in nature, so
I would suggest if you wish to contribute you plug in to the source, the Lord and His word.
Scripture is vast and a lot of meaning is wrapped up in emotional, empathetic concepts.
The concepts themselves are often huge, with a lot of background, culturally and in
the history of Israel. So no, it is impossible to understand a lot of it without a training
or knowledge about which it refers.
One simple idea is having blood on your hands. This refers back to Ezek 3 that if the Lord
gives you a message and you fail to pass it on, He will hold one guilty of it.
Scripture is more like a guide whose meaning changes as you become aware of the
complexities and nuances involved. A passage that did not speak much, now speaks volumes.
And the reason I am asking about foundations in scripture, because you are telling me I am
wrong and miss-guided, and I am pointing to the source of my teaching.
I am merely an encourager and disciple of Jesus. I am not here to win a battle but share
the glorious riches we have in Christ Jesus.
It is strange you want authority to teach and guide, to correct, and tell me I am wrong,
yet if I share what I know in Christ and its foundation, then I am causing a problem as if
it is I who am mistaken.
We are accountable before the Lord my friend, and these issues are eternal in nature, so
I would suggest if you wish to contribute you plug in to the source, the Lord and His word.
If I am right or have insight, then maybe I am a know it all, and to point out
errors is a correct rebuke. Being condescending is only a problem if it is not
deserved, and unfortunately a lot of people probably deserve a lot more than
they get.
Do you know the other side of this coin? God holds me responsible if I do not
share and rebuke, because once it is known, it is to be shared.
Something about walking in the light, loving people, caring for the lost,
encouraging, uplifting and rejoicing in the glorious riches of His gospel.
errors is a correct rebuke. Being condescending is only a problem if it is not
deserved, and unfortunately a lot of people probably deserve a lot more than
they get.
Do you know the other side of this coin? God holds me responsible if I do not
share and rebuke, because once it is known, it is to be shared.
Something about walking in the light, loving people, caring for the lost,
encouraging, uplifting and rejoicing in the glorious riches of His gospel.
Paul exhorted and rebuked a lot telling the Christians how to have a proper relationship with Christ,getting on their case to do right,and even got in Peter's face,because he was to be blamed,and told him he was not walking uprightly according to the truth of the Gospel,and caused others to be led away by it.
Paul would of not been very liked today,for he would have a field day,and could not handle all the people who he would have to tell to behave properly according to the truth of the Gospel.
Paul would of not been very liked today,for he would have a field day,and could not handle all the people who he would have to tell to behave properly according to the truth of the Gospel.
Sirk. You are right. And the great thing is the Lord loves us.
It is far better to throw ones all into something and see where it leads
than be too reticent.
So many times I have not shared because I did not want to get hurt,
when I should have shared and then learnt in the Lord what I needed to know,
which was probably something different than I thought. And my reticence meant
others lost out. Unless ofcourse I was just going to share something not applicable.
But until you start launching out in the Lord one never knows.
And we need more adventurers and less reticent people. And in all my experience,
the Lord blesses when we look to Him and walk in His will.
It is far better to throw ones all into something and see where it leads
than be too reticent.
So many times I have not shared because I did not want to get hurt,
when I should have shared and then learnt in the Lord what I needed to know,
which was probably something different than I thought. And my reticence meant
others lost out. Unless ofcourse I was just going to share something not applicable.
But until you start launching out in the Lord one never knows.
And we need more adventurers and less reticent people. And in all my experience,
the Lord blesses when we look to Him and walk in His will.
It is an interesting idea, that making clothing for someone is equivalent to
repentance and following the Lord.
On this basis everyone who has ever worn leather is actually a believer.
I get the idea, but this is very much wishful thinking and reading in more
than we can ever know this side of eternity.
repentance and following the Lord.
On this basis everyone who has ever worn leather is actually a believer.
I get the idea, but this is very much wishful thinking and reading in more
than we can ever know this side of eternity.
Lots of stuff gets preached that is neither good nor helpfull.
Is there some group of compromise preaching I need to agree with.
Though shalt acknowledge every poor analogy people have come up with in the past.
Not a chance.
Noahs ark is a good analogy, as Noah was saved from judgement.
Adam was neither saved or his life resolved. In fact it is exactly the opposite.
He knew very little, mucked up the first test and got chucked out of the class
and had to toil for the rest of his life when he had been given an eternal life
and face to face relationship with God.
As a dad he did not do very well with the kids, one brother killing the other.
Now that is good family harmony.
On the positive side, we are blessed with life because of him, to which I say
amen. I have no clue how he ended his days, I hope resolved with the father,
but that is not for us to know.
Is there some group of compromise preaching I need to agree with.
Though shalt acknowledge every poor analogy people have come up with in the past.
Not a chance.
Noahs ark is a good analogy, as Noah was saved from judgement.
Adam was neither saved or his life resolved. In fact it is exactly the opposite.
He knew very little, mucked up the first test and got chucked out of the class
and had to toil for the rest of his life when he had been given an eternal life
and face to face relationship with God.
As a dad he did not do very well with the kids, one brother killing the other.
Now that is good family harmony.
On the positive side, we are blessed with life because of him, to which I say
amen. I have no clue how he ended his days, I hope resolved with the father,
but that is not for us to know.
K
Let me give a better explanation. It was the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Up until that time, Adam and Eve were perfect. They never sinned at all, and were the perfect creations of God. They did not know what evil was, because they never did never, never experienced it, because the Garden of Eden was perfect, because it was created by God. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is not an evil tree, but God did give a law to Adam and Eve to not eat it, and gave them the punishment of what would happen. The knowledge came from after having experienced the consequences of the actions, losing their perfection status. Because they lost their perfection status, they could no longer live in the Garden. And because they became inperfect, they became imperfect, being subjected to disease and death. They only had 2 laws, be fruitful and multiply, and do not partake of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
Up until that time, Adam and Eve were perfect. They never sinned at all, and were the perfect creations of God. They did not know what evil was, because they never did never, never experienced it, because the Garden of Eden was perfect, because it was created by God. The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil is not an evil tree, but God did give a law to Adam and Eve to not eat it, and gave them the punishment of what would happen. The knowledge came from after having experienced the consequences of the actions, losing their perfection status. Because they lost their perfection status, they could no longer live in the Garden. And because they became inperfect, they became imperfect, being subjected to disease and death. They only had 2 laws, be fruitful and multiply, and do not partake of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.
I agree with you WS. The entire law and the prophets speak of Jesus and His coming. And even in Genesis, I can see Him being shown there. (Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin, no covering.)
It's like...you know how the sacraments of the church are pictures of the spirit of the matter? The water baptism is a picture of our Baptism in Spirit. Marriage is a picture of our being made one with Christ. Communion is a picture of that awesome I-don't-know-what that is experienced when He comes and eats a meal with us and we experience His Presence.
So the sacraments are pictures of the spirit of the matter.
And all of scripture is like this. It speaks of Him! God was always speaking of Him! Hidden, but so amazing when we see a picture of Him in the OT.
It's like...you know how the sacraments of the church are pictures of the spirit of the matter? The water baptism is a picture of our Baptism in Spirit. Marriage is a picture of our being made one with Christ. Communion is a picture of that awesome I-don't-know-what that is experienced when He comes and eats a meal with us and we experience His Presence.
So the sacraments are pictures of the spirit of the matter.
And all of scripture is like this. It speaks of Him! God was always speaking of Him! Hidden, but so amazing when we see a picture of Him in the OT.
You know, along that same vein, I saw something in the law that I am wondering about...
You know where it says if two men are fighting and a woman gets caught in the melee and it causes a child not to be born, etc.?
There was a seed of life within her and they caused it to not be born.
So in here, in forum, two men fight and what if someone comes in who has a seed in them, and by their fighting they cause life not to come to completion and the person leaves, saying I don't want to have anything to do with those christians - they are awful to each other. So I wondered if this could be the spirit of the matter - that two men fighting could cause a life to be aborted before the seed took a good hold...
You know where it says if two men are fighting and a woman gets caught in the melee and it causes a child not to be born, etc.?
There was a seed of life within her and they caused it to not be born.
So in here, in forum, two men fight and what if someone comes in who has a seed in them, and by their fighting they cause life not to come to completion and the person leaves, saying I don't want to have anything to do with those christians - they are awful to each other. So I wondered if this could be the spirit of the matter - that two men fighting could cause a life to be aborted before the seed took a good hold...