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LOL. You have a created perfect body, possessed by God the Father, who then pulls out at the right moment so that He doesn't suffer death. Your Jesus did not endure the cross, your Jesus did not atone for your sins, because your Jesus abandoned the cross at the crucial moment, allowing this automoton to die instead.
My Jesus most definitely did suffer, die, and atone for my sin. However God cannot die.
You have shown on more than one occasion that you have no idea who my Jesus is. Which is a problem since ''MY'' Jesus is the Jesus of scripture.
John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
We wonder why the church is so useless, so impotent. It is because they do not believe on the Jesus of scripture.
You have shown on more than one occasion that you have no idea who my Jesus is. Which is a problem since ''MY'' Jesus is the Jesus of scripture.
John 8:38 I speak that which I have seen with my Father: and ye do that which ye have seen with your father.
We wonder why the church is so useless, so impotent. It is because they do not believe on the Jesus of scripture.
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Once again I agree God did not sdie on the Cross.
The problem is you and charisenexcelcis are both wrong on opposite pole end of the proverbial spectrum. He claim god died, and you claim Jesus was not deity. Neither one of you can grasp the truth of the scriptures in reference to the duality of Christ.
The problem is you and charisenexcelcis are both wrong on opposite pole end of the proverbial spectrum. He claim god died, and you claim Jesus was not deity. Neither one of you can grasp the truth of the scriptures in reference to the duality of Christ.
I have had long discussions with Ricke and answered your set of questions to me. I do not deny the diety of Christ. I do not believe I have to see Christ as God Himself to believe he has diety.
I believe he is the eternal son of God and the divine son of God.
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I do agree with you that Jesus said the Father is the one true God. Therefore if someone does not believe Jesus is the Father how can they believe scripturally that Jesus is true God
I believe he is the eternal son of God and the divine son of God.
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I do agree with you that Jesus said the Father is the one true God. Therefore if someone does not believe Jesus is the Father how can they believe scripturally that Jesus is true God
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Your judgement on the matter bears no weight to me. You divide the nature of Jesus and turn the cross into a mere play act. You have a God who is limited. Your a priori forces you into the precarious position of dividing both the natures of Jesus and the Father. Jesus as He inhabits an automoton who has no real identity. The Father as He acts like two people, one occupying this biological vessel while the other accepts the prayers of this Jesus from earth.
Originally Posted by charisenexcelcis
LOL. You have a created perfect body, possessed by God the Father, who then pulls out at the right moment so that He doesn't suffer death. Your Jesus did not endure the cross, your Jesus did not atone for your sins, because your Jesus abandoned the cross at the crucial moment, allowing this automoton to die instead.
LOL. You have a created perfect body, possessed by God the Father, who then pulls out at the right moment so that He doesn't suffer death. Your Jesus did not endure the cross, your Jesus did not atone for your sins, because your Jesus abandoned the cross at the crucial moment, allowing this automoton to die instead.
John 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Just reiterate the reason the church is so impotent is because that do not believe on the true jesus of scripture.
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In Mark 10:45 Jesus says, "the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life [Greekk: pusche=soul] as a ransom for many." It is noteworthy that when Jesus died, the gospel account is that "He gave up His spirit" (John 19:30).
In Hebrews 9:15 it becomes clear that Jesus died in order to secure redemption from the transgressions committed in the time of the first covenant. Thus once again redemption is linked to the remission of sins and is tantamount to forgiveness.
1 Timothy 2:5 goes beyond this in stressing Christ’s mediatorial role. Jesus, had to be fully God and fully human in order to properly represent God to humans and humans to God. He had to stand on both sides of the fence in order to experience and fully know both the God who grieves over sin and the sinner who causes God grief. In short, for salvation to reach humans, and to redeem humans, it had to be mediated through one who shared in humanity.
As plain as words can do it the apostles say repeatedly that Jesus died, was buried, and rose to life again.
In Hebrews 9:15 it becomes clear that Jesus died in order to secure redemption from the transgressions committed in the time of the first covenant. Thus once again redemption is linked to the remission of sins and is tantamount to forgiveness.
1 Timothy 2:5 goes beyond this in stressing Christ’s mediatorial role. Jesus, had to be fully God and fully human in order to properly represent God to humans and humans to God. He had to stand on both sides of the fence in order to experience and fully know both the God who grieves over sin and the sinner who causes God grief. In short, for salvation to reach humans, and to redeem humans, it had to be mediated through one who shared in humanity.
As plain as words can do it the apostles say repeatedly that Jesus died, was buried, and rose to life again.