Trouble understanding

[Awakened]

Help me understand how the bible tells us, if we come to him, he will give us rest and abundant life. Yet we know when we try to live according to God's will, we are persecuted by people,* tested by God, and tempted by Satan.

Another thing I have trouble understanding is, we are told to love one another but then Yahusha says, I came to bring division.


Matthew 11:28* (KJV)
*Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest

John 10:10 (KJV)
*The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
*Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.



John 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Matthew 10:37 (KJV)
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me

Luke 12:51-53 (KJV)
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

 

[Willie-T]

Help me understand how the bible tells us, if we come to him, he will give us rest and abundant life. Yet we know when we try to live according to God's will, we are persecuted by people,* tested by God, and tempted by Satan.

Another thing I have trouble understanding is, we are told to love one another but then Yahusha says, I came to bring division.


Matthew 11:28* (KJV)
*Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest

John 10:10 (KJV)
*The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
*Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.



John 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Matthew 10:37 (KJV)
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me

Luke 12:51-53 (KJV)
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

What, exactly, does that entail in your estimation? What do you do that is "living according to God's will?"

 

[PrynceNY]

As the Lord said he will separate the wheats from the tares. Those who are Gods children & those who are children of the devil. Yes we are to love everyone including our enemies. However the Lord also said blessed are those who do not sit in company with the wicked. Throughout the scriptures the Lord didn't want his people associating with those involved in pagan lifestyles. The Lord said we are to love him above everyone including our families. Those who love their families more than him are not worthy of him.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

When you fully grasp this verse showing the division early on it is made clear, and the enmity is revealed between the children of this world who are firstborn of the flesh persecuting the children who are born again from heaven above by the Spirit.


Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This enmity and division is even present in these forums.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

When you fully grasp this verse showing the division early on it is made clear, and the enmity is revealed between the children of this world who are firstborn of the flesh persecuting the children who are born again from heaven above by the Spirit.


Genesis 3:15

And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

This enmity and division is even present in these forums.

Here is a old post which gives further understanding of this enmity between flesh and Spirit---->>>>http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/106531-flesh-spirit.html

 

[Willie-T]

Why do so many people seem to think God created us to see if we would be able to struggle our way into His good graces so that we won't be destroyed by Him?

 

[Dan58]

Help me understand how the bible tells us, if we come to him, he will give us rest and abundant life. Yet we know when we try to live according to God's will, we are persecuted by people,* tested by God, and tempted by Satan.

Another thing I have trouble understanding is, we are told to love one another but then Yahusha says, I came to bring division.

To me, the peace and rest has a spiritual connotation. It doesn't mean a trouble free physical life. Our rest comes from knowing him, and that is the peace of mind the world (nonbelievers) don't have. "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20).

The division comes from those who don't share our faith. Anytime you insert the Truth into a world of lies, your bound to have division.

 

[Awakened]

To me, the peace and rest has a spiritual connotation. It doesn't mean a trouble free physical life. Our rest comes from knowing him, and that is the peace of mind the world (nonbelievers) don't have. "I am with you always, even unto the end of the world" (Matthew 28:20).

The division comes from those who don't share our faith. Anytime you insert the Truth into a world of lies, your bound to have division.

Thank you! That makes sense. ☺

 

[Depleted]

Help me understand how the bible tells us, if we come to him, he will give us rest and abundant life. Yet we know when we try to live according to God's will, we are persecuted by people,* tested by God, and tempted by Satan.

Another thing I have trouble understanding is, we are told to love one another but then Yahusha says, I came to bring division.


Matthew 11:28* (KJV)
*Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest

John 10:10 (KJV)
*The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
*Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.



John 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Matthew 10:37 (KJV)
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me

Luke 12:51-53 (KJV)
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Try reading the historic aspects of what this looked like. The journey of the Israelites through the wilderness shows what it is to love, and to not love, while literally following God. Acts shows what it is to love and be hated with God in his people.

I'm the kind of person who has to see how something works by watching it work out through others. I find it a comfort that the Bible shows us how it works in various ways, because not everyone learns the same way.

 

[Utah]

I work with a woman who loves, loves, loves the Lord. She is immersed in prayer and reading Scripture. Last week she was verbally attacked at work by someone who does not know the Lord, and many people were upset that she was treated in such a manner.

Though I only want the best for my co-worker, I was not worried about her because she is so enriched by the Word and protected by the Holy Spirit, that such attacks against her do not penetrate. She simply prayed earnestly for the person who was mean to her. That's what it means to wear the armor of God.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

To me, the peace and rest has a spiritual connotation. It doesn't mean a trouble free physical life.

That's right, when one is born again of the Spirit they receive His love, joy, and His peace in their hearts and minds. Jesus said in this world we would suffer tribulation, but yet His peace would be with us if we abide in Him.

John 16:33
These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

John 14:27
Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

 

[shittim]

The peace I see from John 14-27 is the peace that comes in us when we are in Him, there is a peace that rests inside us G-d given, when we are buffeted by the world. The division I see is the separation of His own, from the unregenerate world.
best wishes

 

[Zmouth]

Help me understand how the bible tells us, if we come to him, he will give us rest and abundant life. Yet we know when we try to live according to God's will, we are persecuted by people,* tested by God, and tempted by Satan.

Might consider reading John 6:44 since faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God (Matt. 4:4) Psalms 119:93


[SUP]12 [/SUP]To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. [SUP]13[/SUP] But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; Isaah 28:12-13



Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Matt 11:28




Hebrew 13:8

Another thing I have trouble understanding is, we are told to love one another but then Yahusha says, I came to bring division.

Can't really tell you what Yahusha says but then again I have a hard time understanding the tongue of of Al Grebra too.

But I have heard that when one adds to, and takes away from the eternal Ten Commandments, which were before the everlasting and will endure after the everlasting, John 14:26. Yet once they begin to multiply, then maybe I am wrong it seems that it would be reasonably calculated that division would follow.

After all, some use Exodus 20 and others use Deuteronomy 5 as the source of their Ten Commandment. Considering Deuteronomy 6, I'll let you fill in what ten you choose since their seems to be some division there also.

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[Awakened]

Here are a couple more questions. ☺
When Yahusha, (Jesus), said there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom, does this mean, the people he raised are still here?

Hebrews 9:27 (KJV)
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment

Jesus raised three people from the dead during his earthly ministries: Lazarus, the daughter of Jairus and the son of the widow at Nain.


Could this be considered the first resurrection?

Matthew 27:52-53 (KJV)
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many

Revelation 20:6 (KJV)
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Here are a couple more questions. ☺
When Yahusha, (Jesus), said there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom, does this mean, the people he raised are still here?

This is a good question and hard to understand, but here is the answer for those who can receive it. When you understand that the Kingdom of God is within you, and how that Christ will come in unto you, then you can understand what Jesus meant in the above.

Notice the Kingdom of God is in us.....

Luke 17:20-21

[SUP]20 [/SUP]And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.



And here is how Christ came into His Kingdom (in them and us) but not with observation by the rest of the world.

John 14:19-20

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

[SUP]20 [/SUP]At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Help me understand how the bible tells us, if we come to him, he will give us rest and abundant life. Yet we know when we try to live according to God's will, we are persecuted by people,* tested by God, and tempted by Satan.

Another thing I have trouble understanding is, we are told to love one another but then Yahusha says, I came to bring division.


Matthew 11:28* (KJV)
*Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest

John 10:10 (KJV)
*The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly

2 Timothy 3:12 (KJV)
*Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.



John 13:34 - A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another

1 John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Matthew 10:37 (KJV)
He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me

Luke 12:51-53 (KJV)
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

Our peace is an inner peace . . . no matter what is going on around us . . . no matter what we are having to endure at the moment . . . Peace is not a feeling gained from outside influences but a peace and rest through Jesus Christ our Lord KNOWING that no matter what God is taking care of those that love him . . . . God's got it!!!

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Help me understand how the bible tells us, if we come to him, he will give us rest and abundant life. Yet we know when we try to live according to God's will, we are persecuted by people,* tested by God, and tempted by Satan.

Matthew 11:28* (KJV)
*Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest

Luke 11 44 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are as graves which appear not, and the men that walk over them are not aware of them.
45 Then answered one of the lawyers, and said unto him, Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also.
46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

The lawyers were experts in the Law, so they would be equivalent to teachers of the Talmud. The Talmud pretends to be a commentary on the Law (the Torah/the OT) but in reality it merely adds a load of godless junk to an already complex system of Law.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

Luke 12:51-53 (KJV)
51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
52 For from henceforth there shall be five in one house divided, three against two, and two against three.
53 The father shall be divided against the son, and the son against the father; the mother against the daughter, and the daughter against the mother; the mother in law against her daughter in law, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

The religious system in Judah was very well entrenched, so when Jesus opposed it, he was met with a barrage of hostility. They actually wanted to push him off the cliff from the very start.

Choosing Jesus over Judaism was very difficult, and after Stephen was stoned in AD 37 or whenever, there was a massive persecution of the Church.

Jesus was really talking to the Jews when he made the above comment, prophesying to them that there was going to be a war.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

When Yahusha, (Jesus), said there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom, does this mean, the people he raised are still here?

Peter James and John witnessed the transfiguration. (Matthew 17)

Peter explains (2 Peter 1) that the transfiguration was how it will be when Jesus returns

16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18 And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

 

[88]

Over the years this has been a big question with those who love and seek God----the devil hates Jesus---- the devil hates us---- God will allow this spiritual warfare (Ephesians 6) until Christ comes back----we seek to draw closer to God--- Satan seeks to block it...Use praise and worship as a powerful weapon to still the enemy...