I wrote a Sabbath/ Sunday essay. My "Sunday" declaration. [email protected]
TRUE BIBLICAL SABBATH, NOT MAN'S SABBATH
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If anyone wants to dialogue with a former Sabbathkeeper who changed from that view, feel free to contact me through email here on christianchat.com.
I also have a lot of details regarding my assertions in my profile.
Sabbathkeepers generally fail to understand the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Their reasoning sounds pretty good to those who are unacquainted with the faulty assumptions they are making.
I observed the Sabbath from about 1985, as a new Christian, to about 1995.
It's mostly a waste of time to argue with Sabbathkeepers concerning this issue. They are already indoctrinated into a worldview which is almost impossible to penetrate. They are convinced that they are the ones who know "the truth" and that everyone else is deceived.
I would suggest the book Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff in this regard before wasting years with their nonsense, instead of focusing on Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice, and leading others to know Him. Most Sabbathkeepers do not have Him as their focus, but instead preach a mixture of Sabbath, festival, and clean/unclean meat observance.
In addition, the Sabbath/festival/clean unclean meat observance is usually only the tip of the iceberg with these guys. The cult I was involved with denied the Trinity, claimed they were going to be fully God in the resurrection, and denied the salvation of all other believers. They considered Sabbath-breaking to be the Mark of the Beast. Some challenge the full deity of Jesus Christ and the writings of the apostle Paul, and follow extra-biblical writings such as their prophet or prophetess or the Talmud.
I also have a lot of details regarding my assertions in my profile.
Sabbathkeepers generally fail to understand the difference between the Old Covenant and the New Covenant. Their reasoning sounds pretty good to those who are unacquainted with the faulty assumptions they are making.
I observed the Sabbath from about 1985, as a new Christian, to about 1995.
It's mostly a waste of time to argue with Sabbathkeepers concerning this issue. They are already indoctrinated into a worldview which is almost impossible to penetrate. They are convinced that they are the ones who know "the truth" and that everyone else is deceived.
I would suggest the book Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff in this regard before wasting years with their nonsense, instead of focusing on Jesus Christ and his atoning sacrifice, and leading others to know Him. Most Sabbathkeepers do not have Him as their focus, but instead preach a mixture of Sabbath, festival, and clean/unclean meat observance.
In addition, the Sabbath/festival/clean unclean meat observance is usually only the tip of the iceberg with these guys. The cult I was involved with denied the Trinity, claimed they were going to be fully God in the resurrection, and denied the salvation of all other believers. They considered Sabbath-breaking to be the Mark of the Beast. Some challenge the full deity of Jesus Christ and the writings of the apostle Paul, and follow extra-biblical writings such as their prophet or prophetess or the Talmud.
Avinu!!!!!!!! How are ya! I bet you missed me didn't ya? That's ok. You don't have to admit it. I know you did! 
Ok, here is what I discovered from the NT.
Matthew 28:1 1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb (Jesus rose from the grave on the first day of the week)...Also Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1 all record where Jesus rose on the first day of the week.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were all written years after the actual events occurred and the writers would have already been participating in first century worship long before they picked up the inspired pen to jot these things down. So it is not without reason that they all mention that Jesus was resurrected upon the first day of the week. Yet at this point in our discussion we know not what that reason might be. But it would certainly be fitting to say that we meet upon the first day of the week because that was the day in which our Lord was raised.
We find that the preaching of the first gospel sermon and the terms of the entrance into the kingdom of God was upon the first day of the week. Acts 2 states that the apostles met together on the day of the Pentecost.
The day of Pentecost was fifty days after the Passover Sabbath according to Leviticus 23:15, 16. So fifty days later would be forty-nine days (seven weeks) plus one day. Seven weeks from the Sabbath would be on a Saturday, so the fiftieth day would be on a Sunday or the first day of the week. Acts 2:41,42 we read the following, "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."
There is also Acts 20:7 7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Revelation 1:10
10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
from the evidence that is contained within the scriptures we may come to the conclusion that early Christians worshipped upon the first day of the week. They partook of the Lord's supper upon the first day of the week. They gave of their means upon the first day of the week. This day came to be known as the Lord's day.
Am I making sense here?
Ok, here is what I discovered from the NT.
Matthew 28:1 1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb (Jesus rose from the grave on the first day of the week)...Also Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1 all record where Jesus rose on the first day of the week.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were all written years after the actual events occurred and the writers would have already been participating in first century worship long before they picked up the inspired pen to jot these things down. So it is not without reason that they all mention that Jesus was resurrected upon the first day of the week. Yet at this point in our discussion we know not what that reason might be. But it would certainly be fitting to say that we meet upon the first day of the week because that was the day in which our Lord was raised.
We find that the preaching of the first gospel sermon and the terms of the entrance into the kingdom of God was upon the first day of the week. Acts 2 states that the apostles met together on the day of the Pentecost.
The day of Pentecost was fifty days after the Passover Sabbath according to Leviticus 23:15, 16. So fifty days later would be forty-nine days (seven weeks) plus one day. Seven weeks from the Sabbath would be on a Saturday, so the fiftieth day would be on a Sunday or the first day of the week. Acts 2:41,42 we read the following, "Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers."
There is also Acts 20:7 7 On the first day of the week we came together to break bread. Paul spoke to the people and, because he intended to leave the next day, kept on talking until midnight.
Revelation 1:10
10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
from the evidence that is contained within the scriptures we may come to the conclusion that early Christians worshipped upon the first day of the week. They partook of the Lord's supper upon the first day of the week. They gave of their means upon the first day of the week. This day came to be known as the Lord's day.
Am I making sense here?
If anyone is sincerely concerned with the Sabbath issue after being subjected to Sabbathkeeper rhetoric I highly suggest the book Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff. It addresses the Seventh Day Adventist claims concerning Colossians 2:16-17. The portion on this is written by Old Testament scholar Jerry Gladson. There is a Seventh Day Adventist on the forums aggressively spamming threads advertising his own website claiming Sabbathbreaking will be the Mark of the Beast. I grew up in a family with a similar mentality and am aggressively against that sort of paranoid, uninformed mentality.
Anyways it is a PDF file and is 8.00. This is not my website. I am simply providing the link as I am concerned about Judaizer influences here.
https://www.ratzlaf.com/Sabbath-in-Christ-eBook-in-pdf-file-sicepdf.htm
Anyways it is a PDF file and is 8.00. This is not my website. I am simply providing the link as I am concerned about Judaizer influences here.
https://www.ratzlaf.com/Sabbath-in-Christ-eBook-in-pdf-file-sicepdf.htm
It the O.T. it was a physical Sabbath, in the N.T. it is a spiritual Sabbath. When it was changed under Christ, not everyone knew. They still celebrated it. Paul went there during that time, but not to participate. It was mentioned to describe the time frame.
Under Moses God's law was done physically. Under Christ it is done spiritually. You cannot follow both laws at the same time- that's commiting religious adultery (Romans 7:1-4).
The Bible says if you obey a law that you must obey all of that law. If you obey Moses instead of Christ, you have to take certain sinners outside the city and stone them, pay for certain things with certain animals, oh and good luck finding a high priest to sacrifice on your behalf, seeing as he'd have to be over 2,017 years old.
I'm not trying to sound rude, I'm just telling you like it is. I remember when I learned this truth, and now I share it with you.
Under Moses God's law was done physically. Under Christ it is done spiritually. You cannot follow both laws at the same time- that's commiting religious adultery (Romans 7:1-4).
The Bible says if you obey a law that you must obey all of that law. If you obey Moses instead of Christ, you have to take certain sinners outside the city and stone them, pay for certain things with certain animals, oh and good luck finding a high priest to sacrifice on your behalf, seeing as he'd have to be over 2,017 years old.
I'm not trying to sound rude, I'm just telling you like it is. I remember when I learned this truth, and now I share it with you.