TRUE BIBLICAL SABBATH, NOT MAN'S SABBATH
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Elizabeth619;497935]Avinu!!!!!!!! How are ya! I bet you missed me didn't ya? That's ok. You don't have to admit it. I know you did! 
Ok, here is what I discovered from the NT.
Matthew 28:1 1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb (Jesus rose from the grave on the first day of the week)...Also Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1 all record where Jesus rose on the first day of the week.
Ok, here is what I discovered from the NT.
Matthew 28:1 1 After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb (Jesus rose from the grave on the first day of the week)...Also Mark 16:2, Luke 24:1, and John 20:1 all record where Jesus rose on the first day of the week.
You are reading the NT as completely new, able to cancel out the OT. I really think that is the wrong approach. I think God gave us scripture, all scripture for us to learn. Every bit of it is true, ones labeled old and ones labeled new. Not one verse in either cancels out another or makes another untrue. If we ignored the NT, we wouldn't know how Christ changed our world and how Christ gave us a way to grow. We would know of Christ, for the OT is full of Him. If we ignore the OT because the new explains it all, we wouldn't know the basic concepts of God as the OT explains them.
It is true that we aren't to judge anyone based on the day they worship, scripture tells us so. It is true that there was a meeting on Sunday reported in Acts. All scripture is true and each must fit with the other. But scripture says take a Sabbath once a week, and the most sense we can make of it is to worship on Saturday. Scripture does not say you must worship on Sunday. It sounds as if, by putting all scripture together, you may worship on Sunday. But following God is important. I would rather take direct instructions I know is from God.
Apparently you haven't thought this all the way through.
Do you remember the passage where Jesus says "He who is without sin cast the first stone"...?
They all dropped their rocks and dispersed. They knew something that I guess you don't. They were not perfect. They knew that the Law, ALL OF IT, accuses us. It shows us our imperfection, our sin. Every time. No matter how holy or how righteous you think you are the Law shows you that you fall short of perfection and need to be saved from your sin and guilty conscience before God.
The bible says There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Why?
Romans 8:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3[/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Do you see?
Do you remember the passage where Jesus says "He who is without sin cast the first stone"...?
They all dropped their rocks and dispersed. They knew something that I guess you don't. They were not perfect. They knew that the Law, ALL OF IT, accuses us. It shows us our imperfection, our sin. Every time. No matter how holy or how righteous you think you are the Law shows you that you fall short of perfection and need to be saved from your sin and guilty conscience before God.
The bible says There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Why?
Romans 8:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. [SUP]3[/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Do you see?
I don't live in exactly the polar region but I am pretty far north, it doesn't get dark in the height of summer, it gets a bit dull for a couple hours then the sun is back and in the winter it gets a bit light for a couple of hours then it goes again.
Anyhow that was completely not my point, I do try to have a day a week where I don't have anything I NEED to do. It is not a Sunday as that is probably my busiest day, setting up and packing down church, running the kids service etc. I usually try to get a Saturday if I am not working to just relax, read, sing, have a long bath and a nice dinner. That is my Sabbath.
Anyhow that was completely not my point, I do try to have a day a week where I don't have anything I NEED to do. It is not a Sunday as that is probably my busiest day, setting up and packing down church, running the kids service etc. I usually try to get a Saturday if I am not working to just relax, read, sing, have a long bath and a nice dinner. That is my Sabbath.
C
The laws being referenced by Paul are the laws created by the Pharisees, and written in books called the Talmud. Paul teaches that we are free from the BOOK of laws (the Talmud). Nowhere does Paul teach that we are free from the COMMANDS that were written in stone, by the finger of God.
Yes the book of laws was nailed to the cross, but the COMMANDS of God was written in stone. And, you can't drive a nail through a stone.
Yes the book of laws was nailed to the cross, but the COMMANDS of God was written in stone. And, you can't drive a nail through a stone.
If that were true you'd think he would have been more specific. You know, saying the book of the talmud ANYWHERE in the NT...
2 Corinthians 3:3-9
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
There is no question that the law that Paul speaks of is this same written on tablets of stone.
Why does he call the COMMANDS of God written in stone the ministration of condemnation and death?
2 Corinthians 3:3-9
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
[SUP]8 [/SUP]How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
There is no question that the law that Paul speaks of is this same written on tablets of stone.
Why does he call the COMMANDS of God written in stone the ministration of condemnation and death?
C
You know? I'm one that keeps Saturday as sabbath, but your pompous attitude about this wins no hearts. In fact, that very attitude is something I've been disgusted with when it comes to people that keep sabbath on Saturday. Most Christians who don't feel this law must be kept on a specific day of the week any longer are not automatically "ignoring" or "deliberately disobeying God." They believe Christ has become their sabbath. These people are followers of Christ, and they are doing what they believe Christ wants them to. I no longer judge anyone on this basis, because frankly, to think Christ came to this earth, delivered God's message and died a terrible death in order to save all humanity, and then condemn those that get or got confused (or didn't, depending on who turns out to be right on this) about which day to keep sabbath is a preposterous doctrine. And may I also say that your delivery, that is to say, your accusational attitude is anything but godly. It's a total turnoff, in fact. "Grasping at straws to defend disobedience!" How bout getting over yourself? Satan is the accuser and doesn't need you to help him out. Christ came to save the lost and it was accomplished in love. If Christians see such things are important to God, they'll eventually come around to it themselves. But they sure aren't ever going to come over to your way of thinking with the pompous self-righteous condescending attitude you're eliciting here.
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I don't think this is a "pompous attitude" or even an attitude judging a man. And often quoting scripture turns people off. Many were turned off by Christ, Himself. I don't think that "pompous self-righteous condescending attitude" you are judging the person quoting scripture is called for. Scripture says we are not to judge people based on the day they choose to worship. But scripture does not say that we may not quote scripture and say what we think that scripture should mean to us.
But Grandpa, think again! Throwing stones at a person is not to be done. As we work together to see what each thinks God wants of us, we are looking at God, not people. At what God wants, not to point fingers at people.
And of course there is no condemation for those in Christ. When we are in Christ we take our sin to Him and He cleanses us of sin. Then there is no condemnation in us. But repentence is a part of that. We are to obey. Nowhere in scripture does it instruct us to just sit on our laurels without any doing, it says obey. Besides, it tells us not to obey legalistically without love, but know the love in the law.
Of course, the law cannot save us. We are saved through grace, through the love and long suffering of our Lord. We do not work at obedience in order to be saved. Won't work. But if we are purposely disobedient God can not give us His grace.
And of course there is no condemation for those in Christ. When we are in Christ we take our sin to Him and He cleanses us of sin. Then there is no condemnation in us. But repentence is a part of that. We are to obey. Nowhere in scripture does it instruct us to just sit on our laurels without any doing, it says obey. Besides, it tells us not to obey legalistically without love, but know the love in the law.
Of course, the law cannot save us. We are saved through grace, through the love and long suffering of our Lord. We do not work at obedience in order to be saved. Won't work. But if we are purposely disobedient God can not give us His grace.
Christ sets us free by offering us forgiveness, and gives us the knowledge of love (the basis of law) through the Holy Spirit.
Satan is working in our churches to get us to listen to one scripture as cancelling out others. Our instructions about what we are to know about law does not cancel the instructions to obey and listen to the written law, but to learn of the love in each and every one of them. That means we can live fine without taking on how the talmud told the Jews to live as a help for them to obey the law, but we can't live without the ten commandments given for love and to express love. It means that we can't ignore instructions to honor the sabbath day assigned to us, but it also means that we can't refuse to give loving help to those who need it on the sabbath. It means that to obey law without including love doesn't work. Pagans can stop working on the Sabbath and it mean nothing. But we are to stop working on the Sabbath, and it is to mean obedience and worship.
Satan is working in our churches to get us to listen to one scripture as cancelling out others. Our instructions about what we are to know about law does not cancel the instructions to obey and listen to the written law, but to learn of the love in each and every one of them. That means we can live fine without taking on how the talmud told the Jews to live as a help for them to obey the law, but we can't live without the ten commandments given for love and to express love. It means that we can't ignore instructions to honor the sabbath day assigned to us, but it also means that we can't refuse to give loving help to those who need it on the sabbath. It means that to obey law without including love doesn't work. Pagans can stop working on the Sabbath and it mean nothing. But we are to stop working on the Sabbath, and it is to mean obedience and worship.
C
"He who is without sin cast the first stone"
In respect to the Sabbath, some are without sin, by keeping the Sabbath in accordance with the COMMANDS of God.
But, I will not cast stones at those who sin out of ignorance.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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verb (used with object) 1. to carry out, or to carry out, as a prophecy or promise.
2. to perform or do, as duty; obey or follow, as commands.
3. to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.): a book that fulfills a long-felt need.
4. to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time: He felt that life was over when one had fulfilled his threescore years and ten.
5. to develop the full potential of (usually used reflexively): She realized that she could never fulfill herself in such work.
fulfilled in us: to carry out; or to carry out, as a prophecy or promise; to perform or do; as duty; obey or follow, as commands; to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.); to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time
Are you truly fulfilling Gods commands, when you deliberately disobey His longest, most detailed, and fully explained 4th command. Jesus said if we are guilty of breaking one command we are guilty of all.
walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Are we walking after the Spirit, when we disobey Gods Sabbath command, because we prefer the traditions of man; (sun worship)
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us
How can the righteousness of the law be fulfilled/to carry out/perform/obey or follow in us if we refuse to fulfill/to carry out/perform/obey or follow His COMMANDS
In respect to the Sabbath, some are without sin, by keeping the Sabbath in accordance with the COMMANDS of God.
But, I will not cast stones at those who sin out of ignorance.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
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ful·fill
[foo
verb (used with object) 1. to carry out, or to carry out, as a prophecy or promise.
2. to perform or do, as duty; obey or follow, as commands.
3. to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.): a book that fulfills a long-felt need.
4. to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time: He felt that life was over when one had fulfilled his threescore years and ten.
5. to develop the full potential of (usually used reflexively): She realized that she could never fulfill herself in such work.
fulfilled in us: to carry out; or to carry out, as a prophecy or promise; to perform or do; as duty; obey or follow, as commands; to satisfy (requirements, obligations, etc.); to bring to an end; finish or complete, as a period of time
Are you truly fulfilling Gods commands, when you deliberately disobey His longest, most detailed, and fully explained 4th command. Jesus said if we are guilty of breaking one command we are guilty of all.
walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Are we walking after the Spirit, when we disobey Gods Sabbath command, because we prefer the traditions of man; (sun worship)
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us
How can the righteousness of the law be fulfilled/to carry out/perform/obey or follow in us if we refuse to fulfill/to carry out/perform/obey or follow His COMMANDS
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I wrote a Sabbath/ Sunday essay. A "Sunday" declaration. [email protected]