If this is true than would what be the purpose to include the Sabbath in the Ten Commandments? I guess there should have been two sets of commandments etched in stone by the finger of God, the Ten Commandments for Israel and the Nine Commandments for the Gentiles. Whether or not the Sabbath was violated by the children of Israel is irrelevant to whether or not the 4th commandment, which is the only one that said to remember, is still in effect. Of course, there are those that say the Ten Commandments are null and void. I guess it's OK to murder, steal, lie, and commit adultery an any other ones we chose to ignore.
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It states explicitly that the Sabbath was created for man. It did not say that the Sabbath was created for God's rest, if so, what would be the point to include this in the Ten Commandments? It said that it was created for man, it did not say that it was created only for Israel. You need to examine your Sabbatarian ideas as they seem to be in conflict with scripture. It looks like that there are Sabbatarian ideas and Sundaytarian ideas.
Don't you remember Jesus talking about non Israelites being grafted into the vine becoming a part of them and how easy it would be to graft in a part of the original vine into the vine? We are all spiritual Israel are we not? Don't you think God's rules apply to all of us?
Romans 11:
13Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Romans 11:
13Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry
in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root[SUP][b][/SUP] of the olive tree, [SUP]18 [/SUP]do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you.
So if I go into court I can say it's o.k. for me to steal because I'm not a Jew?
So if I go into court I can say it's o.k. for me to steal because I'm not a Jew?
Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
What day is that on? Saturday only?
This explains the 7th day sabbath and what its for;
Hebrews 4:2-10
What day is that on? Saturday only?
This explains the 7th day sabbath and what its for;
Hebrews 4:2-10
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
I suppose its hard to show the spiritual meaning of scripture to people with very little capacity to understand it.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
I suppose its hard to show the spiritual meaning of scripture to people with very little capacity to understand it.
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Of course, but how is that relevant? There is no reference to sabbath observance until Israel in the wilderness was first told to observe it. Thereafter it was a sign between God and Israel. So even the Gentile nations were excluded from sabbath observance though they were all in the image of God. But the tragedy is that Israel VIOLATED the sabbath rest for the land and paid a heavy price. They also became disobedient and rebellious and ultimately went into captivity.
Ok you have missed some really important foundations here mate.
Ok first the whole law/first five books was written by Moses for the benefit of Israel to know God. Thus its all connected.
So its clear from exodus 20 that the Sabbath God reminded them of came form creation and you get that just by reading it as it states.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Just have to go where it leads clearly and one can see that it was not new at the mt.
On top of that you said Gentiles nations were excluded. Well last time i checked no one had to keep the Sabbath if they reject the Sabbath maker, Jew included.
But what would happen if a Gentile decided to follow God?
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Even the stranger, this is a non jew/a gentle who lives In Israel who had decided to follow God.
So the Sabbath is for anyone who decides to follow God.
Not the Prophet Isaiah who funny enough is actually speaking prophetically about the messiah:
Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
So the Sabbath is again for anyone who decides to follow God.
God purpose for Israel was the same as it is for the church to draw the world to the truth of God so that they would follow. Funny enough this is also prophetic of Jesus.
Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Or this one which is also prophet of the end:
Isa 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
Isa 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Isa 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Isa 60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
Israel was meant to be a light to the Gentiles. They failed.
Ok first the whole law/first five books was written by Moses for the benefit of Israel to know God. Thus its all connected.
So its clear from exodus 20 that the Sabbath God reminded them of came form creation and you get that just by reading it as it states.
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
Just have to go where it leads clearly and one can see that it was not new at the mt.
On top of that you said Gentiles nations were excluded. Well last time i checked no one had to keep the Sabbath if they reject the Sabbath maker, Jew included.
But what would happen if a Gentile decided to follow God?
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Even the stranger, this is a non jew/a gentle who lives In Israel who had decided to follow God.
So the Sabbath is for anyone who decides to follow God.
Not the Prophet Isaiah who funny enough is actually speaking prophetically about the messiah:
Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Isa 56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
Isa 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
Isa 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.
Isa 56:8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
So the Sabbath is again for anyone who decides to follow God.
God purpose for Israel was the same as it is for the church to draw the world to the truth of God so that they would follow. Funny enough this is also prophetic of Jesus.
Isa 42:6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
Or this one which is also prophet of the end:
Isa 60:1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee.
Isa 60:2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
Isa 60:3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
Isa 60:4 Lift up thine eyes round about, and see: all they gather themselves together, they come to thee: thy sons shall come from far, and thy daughters shall be nursed at thy side.
Isa 60:5 Then thou shalt see, and flow together, and thine heart shall fear, and be enlarged; because the abundance of the sea shall be converted unto thee, the forces of the Gentiles shall come unto thee.
Israel was meant to be a light to the Gentiles. They failed.
I am not a SDA but I think Genesis 2 verse 1-3 should give us an indication that God like to keep His Sabbath 
I wonder why God rested on the seventh day? Maybe He was tired?
I wonder why God rested on the seventh day? Maybe He was tired?
No, - Though Genesis 2:1-3 says that after the Lord had ended all His work He rested on the seventh day and blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, there is not a word about it being given to Adam and Eve as a commandment. You don't hear another word about the Sabbath in the entire book of Genesis. All fifty chapters are silent about the Sabbath.
You do not hear that the righteous Patriarchs, Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob kept the Sabbath. There is a conspicuous silence for 2,500 years after the Fall of man. It is not until after the redemption of God's people Israel out of Egypt when they are safely on the other side of the Red Sea that you read in the Book of Exodus that the Sabbath is mentioned again. (Exodus 16:22-30). Abraham was given commandments and ordinances, but the Sabbath is never mentioned as one of them.
Then the Sabbath is given to Israel and Israel alone. The Sabbath is a covenant sign between God and the nation of Israel. "And the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, "But as for you, speak to the sons of Israel, saying, 'You shall surely observe My sabbaths; for this is a sign between Me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I am the Lord who sanctifies you. 'Therefore you are to observe the sabbath, for it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall surely be put to death; for whoever does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but on the seventh day there is a sabbath of complete rest, holy to the Lord; whoever does any work on the sabbath day shall surely be put to death. So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a perpetual covenant. It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel forever; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day he ceased from labor, and was refreshed." Exodus 31:12-17
Notice that the reason why the Lord links the Sabbath to creation is that He is identifying Himself to Israel as the true and living Creator God. He is separate and apart from all of the other gods of Egypt and of the Gentile world. "Keep the Sabbath, worship Me, for I AM the true, living Creator of the Universe."
Notice also that this Sabbath "SIGN" (Exodus 31:13) is between God and "the sons of Israel" (Exodus 12:15,17) and not for all of mankind.
Nehemiah 9:13-14 indicates that the Sabbath was not given to be kept by anyone until it was given to Israel in the wilderness. "You came down on Mount Sinai; you spoke to them from heaven. You gave them regulations and laws that are just and right, and decrees and commands that are good. You made known to them your holy sabbath and gave them commands, decrees and laws through your servant Moses." (NIV).
Read more about the Sabbath at Ex-Adventist Outreach - The Sabbath & Sunday
Hello MMD,
Thanks for sharing what you believe from the word of websire. Now let's look at the Word of God....
Exodus 31
13, Speak you also to the children of Israel, saying, Truly my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you.
14, You shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy to you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whoever does any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15, Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whoever does any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16, Why the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a EVERLASTING COVENANT
17, It is a sign between me and the children of Israel FOREVER: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Seems like GOD disagrees with you
GOD'S ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).
FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)
Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.
Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Gentiles are now grafted into God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:13-24)
God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are ALL those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. God's Sabbath is an EVERLASTING and PERPETUAL Covenant that will be continued in the NEW EARTH (Isaiah 66:22-23)
Isaiah 66
22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.
Yep seems like God says the Sabbath is an everlasting (FOREVER) Covenant with those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD (God's ISRAEL).
Well that is not true. Jesus is the Creator of the Sabbath and says that it was made for mankind;
Mark 2
27, And he said to them, The sabbath was MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath
28, Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
To say Adam and Eve did not keep the Sabbath when God said it was made for mankind is to make God out to be a liar when he said he made it for man.
STRONGS Greek MAN G444 ἄνθρωπος; anthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English) a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700
So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female.
God’s 4th commandment to His people that says to REMEMBER the Sabbath day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY and Jesus stating that the Sabbath was made for MANKIND (Human beings; male and female).
Now if God made the Sabbath for mankind then obviously Adam and Eve had the Sabbath. As shown already the GREEK Word for MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n. is a clay being(a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). There is only two people made out of clay (dust) and that is Adam and Eve.
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE it. Those that do not BELIEVE God's Word are UNBELIVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's Kingdom.
Hmm just another presumption I think because it is written...
Genesis 26
5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUTES, and my LAWS.
Now it is written that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUTES, and my LAWS. That pretty much covers all God's commandments don't you think?
Lets look at the three Hebew words here that Abraham OBEYED...
1. COMMANDMENT H4687HEBREW meaning מִצוָה mitsvah (mits-vaw') n-f. a command, whether human or divine; collectively, the Law. [from H6680] KJV: (which was) commanded(-ment), law, ordinance, precept. Root(s): H6680
2. STATUTES H2708 חֻקָּה chuqqah (chook-kaw') n-f. 1. an enactment. (hence) an appointment (of time, space, quantity, labor or usage).[feminine of H2706, and meaning substantially the same] KJV: appointed, custom, manner, ordinance, site, statute. Root(s): H2706
Here comes the big one now are you ready...
3. LAWS H8451 תּוֹרָה towrah (to-raw') n-f. תֹּרָה torah (to-raw') 1. a teaching precept or statute. 2. (formally) a law.
3. (specially) Torah-Law (i.e. the Ten Royal Edicts (Commandments) and Pentateuch; see Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 10:4). 4. (of redemption) the complete Law-of-Liberty in Yeshua the Messiah for the redeemed (see James 1:25, James 2:12, Romans 8:2). [from H3384] KJV: law. Root(s): H3384 See also: G3551
Well seems God is pretty clear on this. Abraham kep the torah which included the 10 Commandments and the sacrificial sin offereing for remission of SINS.
Absolutely; God's ISRAEL as shown above in the NEW COVENANT are those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.
Gentiles are now grafted in to God's Israel (Romans 11:13-24).
If you are not a part of God's Israel then the NEW COVENANT is not for you (Heberws 8:10-12)
My friend Gods Word disagrees with your website that you follow in order to practice your Catholic heritage that has led many to break the Commandments of God. There is only truth in God's Word and this is where we need to point all to seek God for his truth.
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Thanks for sharing what you believe from the word of websire. Now let's look at the Word of God....
Exodus 31
13, Speak you also to the children of Israel, saying, Truly my sabbaths you shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that you may know that I am the LORD that does sanctify you.
14, You shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy to you: every one that defiles it shall surely be put to death: for whoever does any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
15, Six days may work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whoever does any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
16, Why the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, for a EVERLASTING COVENANT
17, It is a sign between me and the children of Israel FOREVER: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
Seems like GOD disagrees with you
GOD'S ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.
THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE (Galatians 3:28).
FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL,: NEITHER, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, ARE THEY ALL CHILDREN: but in Isaac shall thy seed be called <Christ> That is, THEY WHICH ARE THE CHILDREN OF THE FLESH, THESE ARE NOT THE CHILDREN OF GOD: BUT THE CHILDREN OF THE PROMISE <those who believe> ARE COUNTED FOR THE SEED (Romans 9:6).
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God. (Romans 2:28-29)
Colossians 3:11,
WHERE THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Romans 10:11-13,
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. FOR THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN JEW OR GREEK: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. FOR WHOSOEVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED.
Hebrews 8:10-12,
BUT THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAW IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Gentiles are now grafted into God's ISRAEL (Romans 11:13-24)
God's ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are ALL those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. God's Sabbath is an EVERLASTING and PERPETUAL Covenant that will be continued in the NEW EARTH (Isaiah 66:22-23)
Isaiah 66
22, For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, said the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23, And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, said the LORD.
Yep seems like God says the Sabbath is an everlasting (FOREVER) Covenant with those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD (God's ISRAEL).
Well that is not true. Jesus is the Creator of the Sabbath and says that it was made for mankind;
Mark 2
27, And he said to them, The sabbath was MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath
28, Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
To say Adam and Eve did not keep the Sabbath when God said it was made for mankind is to make God out to be a liar when he said he made it for man.
STRONGS Greek MAN G444 ἄνθρωπος; anthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). 3. (generically, in English) a human being. 4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)] KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700
So the Sabbath was made for Human beings; clay beings (we are made out of the dust); male and female.
God’s 4th commandment to His people that says to REMEMBER the Sabbath day to KEEP it a HOLY DAY and Jesus stating that the Sabbath was made for MANKIND (Human beings; male and female).
Now if God made the Sabbath for mankind then obviously Adam and Eve had the Sabbath. As shown already the GREEK Word for MAN G444 ἄνθρωποςanthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n. is a clay being(a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female). There is only two people made out of clay (dust) and that is Adam and Eve.
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE it. Those that do not BELIEVE God's Word are UNBELIVERS and UNBELIEVERS have no part in God's Kingdom.
Hmm just another presumption I think because it is written...
Genesis 26
5, Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUTES, and my LAWS.
Now it is written that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my COMMANDMENTS, my STATUTES, and my LAWS. That pretty much covers all God's commandments don't you think?
Lets look at the three Hebew words here that Abraham OBEYED...
1. COMMANDMENT H4687HEBREW meaning מִצוָה mitsvah (mits-vaw') n-f. a command, whether human or divine; collectively, the Law. [from H6680] KJV: (which was) commanded(-ment), law, ordinance, precept. Root(s): H6680
2. STATUTES H2708 חֻקָּה chuqqah (chook-kaw') n-f. 1. an enactment. (hence) an appointment (of time, space, quantity, labor or usage).[feminine of H2706, and meaning substantially the same] KJV: appointed, custom, manner, ordinance, site, statute. Root(s): H2706
Here comes the big one now are you ready...
3. LAWS H8451 תּוֹרָה towrah (to-raw') n-f. תֹּרָה torah (to-raw') 1. a teaching precept or statute. 2. (formally) a law.
3. (specially) Torah-Law (i.e. the Ten Royal Edicts (Commandments) and Pentateuch; see Exodus 34:28, Deuteronomy 4:13, Deuteronomy 10:4). 4. (of redemption) the complete Law-of-Liberty in Yeshua the Messiah for the redeemed (see James 1:25, James 2:12, Romans 8:2). [from H3384] KJV: law. Root(s): H3384 See also: G3551
Well seems God is pretty clear on this. Abraham kep the torah which included the 10 Commandments and the sacrificial sin offereing for remission of SINS.
Absolutely; God's ISRAEL as shown above in the NEW COVENANT are those that BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of GOD.
Gentiles are now grafted in to God's Israel (Romans 11:13-24).
If you are not a part of God's Israel then the NEW COVENANT is not for you (Heberws 8:10-12)
My friend Gods Word disagrees with your website that you follow in order to practice your Catholic heritage that has led many to break the Commandments of God. There is only truth in God's Word and this is where we need to point all to seek God for his truth.
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW. Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN will NOT enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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why don't you continue to look at the Word of God, and tell us which of the 10 did the rich man in Luke 16, the lazurus the beggar story, which of the 10 did he break?
sin is breaking commands, continuing in sin will disqualify one from the kingdom, you say this daily. so, which one of the 10 did Christ cite as the rich man breaking.
sin is breaking commands, continuing in sin will disqualify one from the kingdom, you say this daily. so, which one of the 10 did Christ cite as the rich man breaking.
By your own Words He rejected some of God's instruction, otherwise he wouldn't have been rejected. What difference does it make which of God' Instructions he hated and disrespected. Does it really matter which of God's instructions He hated? A man either respects and Honors God and His Word's or He hates and despises God and God's words.
If a man exalts himself as a god, or a judge of God Instructions, does it matter which one of God's Instruction or Words He exalts Himself over??
It really doesn't matter which of His Word is reviled and rejected by man. We either submit to God, or we submit to our own mind. I don't see any in between.
If a man exalts himself as a god, or a judge of God Instructions, does it matter which one of God's Instruction or Words He exalts Himself over??
It really doesn't matter which of His Word is reviled and rejected by man. We either submit to God, or we submit to our own mind. I don't see any in between.
I did not ask you, but since you tried to defend your buddy, who has no answer for this- the only thing a man has to do is believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and love one another. 1st John .
we are not saved by keeping commands . entire letters of Romans and Galatians .
you know, after mark r took you to school on the Jesus was crucified on wed. stuff, I thought you might be tired of getting your fake theology blown up. guess not!
we are not saved by keeping commands . entire letters of Romans and Galatians .
you know, after mark r took you to school on the Jesus was crucified on wed. stuff, I thought you might be tired of getting your fake theology blown up. guess not!
So what exactly does the requirement of circumcision or the lack thereof have to do with keeping the Sabbath? Just because they only listed two or three things for the Gentiles to do that excuses obedience to the 10 Commandments?
The Sabbath wasn't an issue for the Gentiles because they were already worshipping then. Like comparing apples to oranges.
The Sabbath wasn't an issue for the Gentiles because they were already worshipping then. Like comparing apples to oranges.
See post #61 in regards to Isaiah 66. Also go back and read post #49.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23,29 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 23:32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5) was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)
Since the entire old covenant law was nailed to the cross, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. He abolished the old covenant to "put legally into place" the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the New Command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
Don't be fooled by SDA trickery and deceit below, which teaches that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." This is what happens when deluded people turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription.
Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
None of what you have said above is true at all. Funny here is me all this time thinking you are teaching another Gospel.
What is the other Gospel?
It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.
God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
Also, don't buy into the ludicrous argument that only God's true followers are identified as those who keep the 7th day Sabbath holy and those who worship God on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast. (A link to a website that teaches this nonsense is found at the bottom of all of LoveGodForever's posts. See link below - the word of website).
https://www.beastsmark.com/markofthebeast
This ludicrous argument is refuted by a former SDA who began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books and made the discovery that SDA doctrine is different from Biblical truth.
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations (Exodus 16:23,29 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 23:32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19; Jeremiah 17:21; 19:30; 23:2-3; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5) was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant. (Colossians 2:16,17)
Since the entire old covenant law was nailed to the cross, does this leave us with no moral direction? Absolutely not. He abolished the old covenant to "put legally into place" the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:6-13). The life of discipleship flows out of the New Command, to love one another as He loved us (John 13:34), which Paul refers to as the "law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2). Love fulfills the law (Romans 13:8-10). Out of this single command comes other commands, including references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the New Covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3
Don't be fooled by SDA trickery and deceit below, which teaches that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." This is what happens when deluded people turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription.
What is the other Gospel?
It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.
God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.
https://www.beastsmark.com/markofthebeast
This ludicrous argument is refuted by a former SDA who began studying the Bible instead of Ellen White's books and made the discovery that SDA doctrine is different from Biblical truth.
Bible Truth Versus Adventist Truth - Mark of the Beast
Hello MMD,
You seem a little confused in your interpretation of the scriptures. I hope this helps.
It seems from the scriptures you have posted above that you do not understand what the OLD and NEW Covenant is in relation to what laws make up the OLD COVENANT and what makes up the NEW (rules and regultaitons). Also many of the scriptures you have posted are not relevent under the NEW Coavenent and are not relavent to your interpretation of them.
May I suggest you read the OP here which will help your interpretation of COL 2?
Now in relation to what you have presented above I provide the following scriptures for your consideration. This will help your understanding of the OLD Covenant and what is required in the NEW Covenant. LOVE is indeed the fulfilling (doing) of God's LAW (10 Commandments) not the abolishing of it which is how you have interpreted it of not keeping 9 and breaking one.
Let's look at the scriptures...
WHAT IS THE OLD COVENANT?
There is many laws in the Torah but according to scripture, the OLD Covenant laws were divided into
(1) God's LAW (10 commandments) and the (2) Mosaic laws written in the book. God commanded Moses to keep these laws separated in the Ark of the Covenant that made up the Old Covenant.
God's LAW was written and made by God alone and nothing was to be added to it and the Mosaic law was made and written by Moses as directed by God in a book. God's LAW (10 commandments) was placed in the Ark of the Covenant. While the Mosaic book of the law was placed in the side of the Ark of the covenant (Ex 32:16; 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Gal 3:24; Deut 5:22; Ex 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4Ecc 3:14; God's LAW; Ex 25:16; Deut 10:5; Ecc 3:14; Book of the law; Deut 31:26; Col 2:14-17).
It is true indeed that both God's LAW and the Mosaic laws written in the book of the covenant collectively have the 613 commands. This being said both Gods' LAW and the Mosaic laws for remission of sin have a different purpose.
The purpose of God's LAW written on stone and the Mosaic laws written in the book
1) God’s Law (10 commandments)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (Good and Evil) is and describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)
(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).
Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......
Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).
So just as the Mosaic laws for remission of SIN are have a difference purpose to God's Law (10 commandments) they are all temporary Shadows because they were all pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation. While God's Law is not temporary they are the manifestation of the Character of God through LOVE.
This is WHY the scriptures you quote only show you do not know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws for remission of son and their purpose under the OLD and NEW Covenant. God's LAW is FOREVER while the Mosaic laws written in the book are shadows pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation.
It is because you apply the Mosaic laws written in the book pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation to God's LAW (10 commandments) under the NEW COVENANT when they have already been fulfilled in Christ (Col 2:14)!
Now if you bothered to read the OP you would already understand this but the scriptures you quote and the application of them only show you have not read the OP or do you understand the scriptures you quote or the Old Covenant.
If you do not understand the Old Covenant how can you understand the NEW Covenant of LOVE with God's LAWS of stone written on the HEART in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him in LOVE?
If you do not agree with anything I have posted by all means please address the posts and the scriptures provided in the posts and your reasons why you disagree with supporting scriptures.
If you cannot why do you not BELIEVE God's Word? If you do not know what the Gospel is then you are building your house on the sand and great shall be the fall thereof.
God loves you and wants you to be ready for his return. If you hear his voice please harden not your heart. Search the scriptures and see if these things be so.
Seems God's Word disagrees with you. Here let's look at God's Word and the scriptures you missed out on...
ALL OF GOD'S LAW REPEATED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
1 To worship the Lord God only (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
2 No Idolatry (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. (1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)
4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)
5 Honour your father and mother. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
6 You shall not murder. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
7 You shall not commit adultery. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
8 You shall not steal. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
9 You shall not lie. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
10 You shall not covet (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)
There is a lot of scriptures here you seemed to have missed for some reason. Hope this help your study of God's WORD.
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7) If we break ANY of God's 10 commandments we commit SIN Those who KNOWINGLY continue in SIN will NOT enter God's KINGDOM.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Now MMD, your just making up stuff now. No one is teaching what your proclaiming.
Only God's Word is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.
UNREPENTANT SIN WILL KEEP ALL THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT OUT OF GOD'S KINGDOM
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
You seem a little confused in your interpretation of the scriptures. I hope this helps.
It seems from the scriptures you have posted above that you do not understand what the OLD and NEW Covenant is in relation to what laws make up the OLD COVENANT and what makes up the NEW (rules and regultaitons). Also many of the scriptures you have posted are not relevent under the NEW Coavenent and are not relavent to your interpretation of them.
May I suggest you read the OP here which will help your interpretation of COL 2?
Now in relation to what you have presented above I provide the following scriptures for your consideration. This will help your understanding of the OLD Covenant and what is required in the NEW Covenant. LOVE is indeed the fulfilling (doing) of God's LAW (10 Commandments) not the abolishing of it which is how you have interpreted it of not keeping 9 and breaking one.
Let's look at the scriptures...
WHAT IS THE OLD COVENANT?
There is many laws in the Torah but according to scripture, the OLD Covenant laws were divided into
(1) God's LAW (10 commandments) and the (2) Mosaic laws written in the book. God commanded Moses to keep these laws separated in the Ark of the Covenant that made up the Old Covenant.
God's LAW was written and made by God alone and nothing was to be added to it and the Mosaic law was made and written by Moses as directed by God in a book. God's LAW (10 commandments) was placed in the Ark of the Covenant. While the Mosaic book of the law was placed in the side of the Ark of the covenant (Ex 32:16; 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4Romans 3:20, 1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7; Ps 119:172; James 2:8-12; Hebrews 8:10-12; Gal 3:24; Deut 5:22; Ex 34:28; Deut 4:13; 10:4Ecc 3:14; God's LAW; Ex 25:16; Deut 10:5; Ecc 3:14; Book of the law; Deut 31:26; Col 2:14-17).
It is true indeed that both God's LAW and the Mosaic laws written in the book of the covenant collectively have the 613 commands. This being said both Gods' LAW and the Mosaic laws for remission of sin have a different purpose.
The purpose of God's LAW written on stone and the Mosaic laws written in the book
1) God’s Law (10 commandments)
Purpose; reveals what sin and righteousness (Good and Evil) is and describes the penalty for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23). It was never a cure for sin. But it was the work of God which is forever and the foundation of the Old Covenant, the New Covenant and the Judgement to come. (Exodus 32:16; Exodus 31:18; 31:18; Exodus 20:1-22; Deuteronomy 10:5; Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Hebrews 7:19; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31; Ps 111:7-8; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14; 1 John 3:5-8; 1 John 2:3-4; Ecclesiastes 3:14)
(2) The laws of Moses (Levitical, ceremonial, sacrificial)
Purpose; was the prescriptive cure for sin with all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, burnt offerings for sin, annual feast days foretelling the plan of salvation which were connected to Feast days with New Moon sabbaths, food and drink offerings and other Holy days. These where all types pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation and provided a cure for sin through animal sacrifice and food and drink offerings and yearly sin atonement's for God’s people. (Leviticus 1:1-13; Leviticus 23:1-44; Numbers 28:1-31; 29:1-40; Deuteronomy 24:10-11; Exodus 24:3; Deuteronomy 31:24-26; Colossians 2:16-16; Hebrews 10:1; Ephesians 2:14-15; Leviticus 4; 5; 6; Hebrews 4:14; 9;10; John 1:29; not exhaustive there are many more).
Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross and shadows of things to come......
Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the Savior of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).
So just as the Mosaic laws for remission of SIN are have a difference purpose to God's Law (10 commandments) they are all temporary Shadows because they were all pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation. While God's Law is not temporary they are the manifestation of the Character of God through LOVE.
This is WHY the scriptures you quote only show you do not know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the Mosaic laws for remission of son and their purpose under the OLD and NEW Covenant. God's LAW is FOREVER while the Mosaic laws written in the book are shadows pointing to Jesus and God's plan of salvation.
It is because you apply the Mosaic laws written in the book pointing to Jesus and the plan of salvation to God's LAW (10 commandments) under the NEW COVENANT when they have already been fulfilled in Christ (Col 2:14)!
Now if you bothered to read the OP you would already understand this but the scriptures you quote and the application of them only show you have not read the OP or do you understand the scriptures you quote or the Old Covenant.
If you do not understand the Old Covenant how can you understand the NEW Covenant of LOVE with God's LAWS of stone written on the HEART in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW him in LOVE?
If you do not agree with anything I have posted by all means please address the posts and the scriptures provided in the posts and your reasons why you disagree with supporting scriptures.
If you cannot why do you not BELIEVE God's Word? If you do not know what the Gospel is then you are building your house on the sand and great shall be the fall thereof.
God loves you and wants you to be ready for his return. If you hear his voice please harden not your heart. Search the scriptures and see if these things be so.
Seems God's Word disagrees with you. Here let's look at God's Word and the scriptures you missed out on...
ALL OF GOD'S LAW REPEATED IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
1 To worship the Lord God only (Luke 4:8; Matthew 4:10; Revelation 14:7)
2 No Idolatry (John 4:24; Acts 15:20; 1 Corinthians 6:9; Ephesians 5:5; 1 Peter 4:3; 1 John 5:21; Revelation 2:14)
3 You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain. (1 Timothy 6:1, James 2:7)
4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. (Mark 2:27-28, Hebrews 4; Matthew 12:8; Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56(Mark 2:28; Matthew 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; 1 Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Revelations 1:10 Is binding on all mankind today COL 2:14-17 THE REAL TRUTH THREAD (Linked)
5 Honour your father and mother. (Ephesians 6:1; Colossians 3:20; Matthew 15:4; Matthew 19:19)
6 You shall not murder. (Matthew 5:44-45; Matt. 5:21-26; Romans 13:9; 1 Timothy 1:9; 1 John 3:15; James 2:11; Matthew 19:18)
7 You shall not commit adultery. (Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4, James 2:11, Matthew 19:19, Romans 13:9)
8 You shall not steal. (1 Corinthians 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28, Romans 13:9, Matthew 19:18)
9 You shall not lie. (Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9; Matthew 19:18, Romans 13:9)
10 You shall not covet (Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5, Romans 13:9)
There is a lot of scriptures here you seemed to have missed for some reason. Hope this help your study of God's WORD.
SIN is the transgression of God's LAW (1 John 3:4; Romans 7:7) If we break ANY of God's 10 commandments we commit SIN Those who KNOWINGLY continue in SIN will NOT enter God's KINGDOM.
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
May God bless you as you seek him through His Word.
Don't be fooled by SDA trickery and deceit below, which teaches that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." This is what happens when deluded people turn keeping the Sabbath day into a legalistic prescription.
Also, don't buy into the ludicrous argument that only God's true followers are identified as those who keep the 7th day Sabbath holy and those who worship God on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast. (A link to a website that teaches this nonsense is found at the bottom of all of LoveGodForever's posts. See link below - the word of website). https://www.beastsmark.com/markofthebeast
https://www.beastsmark.com/markofthebeast
UNREPENTANT SIN WILL KEEP ALL THOSE WHO PRACTICE IT OUT OF GOD'S KINGDOM
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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)
Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)
There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.
Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?
In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
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