Two Camps... rules & grace

[jcha]

Hear, ye children, the instruction of a father, and attend to know understanding.
For I give you good doctrine, forsake ye not my law.
Proverbs 4:1-2 (KJV)

"Good doctrine" same thing Paul said 2 Timothy 3:16

16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

[disciplemike]

GOD looks at the heart,man looks at the outward appearances.
Under law they were purifying the flesh but they couldn't clean the spirit,only by grace through faith can a person be saved.
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Romans 1:16-17
King James Version(KJV)

16.)For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17.)For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

what is on the inside will be manifest on the outside.
you will know them by their fruits.

 

[disciplemike]

Tell us disciplemike, do you believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit? Or do you believe only in the Father and Son only?

If you do believe only in the Father and Son, why do you reject the Holy Spirit? Do you not know you do this at your own peril?

God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth."John 4:24 (ESV2011, MBM)

My Bible says that God is Spirit. I am pretty sure it is a Holy Spirit.
I don't think God has a regular Spirit and then another Holy Spirit.
Hear O Israel, YHVH our Elohiym is One.

 

[trofimus]

I don't think God has a regular Spirit and then another Holy Spirit.
Hear O Israel, YHVH our Elohiym is One.

With the Son you got at least two. So this is not argument against the existence of the third person in Godhead.

 

[disciplemike]

With the Son you got at least two. So this is not argument against the existence of the third person in Godhead.

"Hear, O Israel: YHVH our God, YHVH is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

I and the Father are one."
John 10:30 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[seed_time_harvest]

what is on the inside will be manifest on the outside.
you will know them by their fruits.

We are GODs workmanship created In CHRIST JESUS unto good works that were before ordained that we should walk In them.

JESUS said that the words that he spoke were Spirit and they were life.
The body counts for nothing.

The just shall live by faith.

 

[disciplemike]

We are GODs workmanship created In CHRIST JESUS unto good works that were before ordained that we should walk In them.

Okay, you may have a point.
Let me ask you this.
what is the good works that were "before ordained that we should walk in them"?

 

[trofimus]

"Hear, O Israel: YHVH our God, YHVH is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

I and the Father are one."
John 10:30 (ESV2011, MBM)

If you interpret it as "one person", your interpretation is wrong, because Jesus was talking to Father and about the Holy Spirit, so they are three persons.

 

[disciplemike]

If you interpret it as "one person", your interpretation is wrong, because Jesus was talking to Father and about the Holy Spirit, so they are three persons.

I didn't say "one person".
That was your interpretation.

 

[TonyJay]

Okay, you may have a point.
Let me ask you this.
what is the good works that were "before ordained that we should walk in them"?

Clearly not obeying the law which would be your answer because in the New Covenant we are children of Abraham, children of promise, which is of faith. And not of the law!
Read Romans 4:1-23 with particular emphasis on vs 14-15.

 

[trofimus]

I didn't say "one person".
That was your interpretation.

You always try to avoid the consequences of your views.

So do you accept that there are three persons in one God?

 

[disciplemike]

Clearly not obeying the law which would be your answer because in the New Covenant we are children of Abraham, children of promise, which is of faith. And not of the law!
Read Romans 4:1-23 with particular emphasis on vs 14-15.

so "not obeying the law" is the good works that were before ordained?

 

[disciplemike]

You always try to avoid the consequences of your views.

So do you accept that there are three persons in one God?

if you provide Scripture that tells me I need to "accept that there are three persons in one God", I will consider it.
Teach me.

 

[trofimus]

if you provide Scripture that tells me I need to "accept that there are three persons in one God", I will consider it.
Teach me.

1. So do not avoid your interpretation of "God is one" etc verses. You mean "one person" by it.

2. Jesus was talking and praying to His Father -> two persons.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Okay, you may have a point.
Let me ask you this.
what is the good works that were "before ordained that we should walk in them"?

The fruit of the spirit Is love,joy,peace,longsuffering,gentleness,goodness,
faith,meekness and temperance.

 

[disciplemike]

The fruit of the spirit Is love,joy,peace,longsuffering,gentleness,goodness,
faith,meekness and temperance.

those are all good characteristics for sure. I think if a person displays all of those, that person is doing well.

 

[disciplemike]

1. So do not avoid your interpretation of "God is one" etc verses. You mean "one person" by it.

2. Jesus was talking and praying to His Father -> two persons.

It is not my interpretation. I just posted the verses. Should I post them again?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

The fruit of the spirit Is love,joy,peace,longsuffering,gentleness,goodness,
faith,meekness and temperance.

those are all good characteristics for sure. I think if a person displays all of those, that person is doing well.

The lower case "s" In the word above "spirit" should be upper case Spirit because when we are reborn we are GOD's workmanship created In CHRIST.

Thats why I gave the fruit of the Spirit.

The good works would be righteous works done with the fruit of the Spirit that GOD has equipped the spirits of just men made perfect.

 

[trofimus]

It is not my interpretation. I just posted the verses. Should I post them again?

So do you accept three persons in one God?

Do not try to be a politician. We both know what did you mean by posting these verses.

And your interpretation of them is wrong. If you dont interpret them as "one person", why do you post them as a reply to more persons in God?

Do not be ridiculous.

 

[disciplemike]

So do you accept three persons in one God?

Do not try to be a politician. We both know what did you mean by posting these verses.

And your interpretation of them is wrong.

"Hear, O Israel: YHVH our God, YHVH is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

I and the Father are one."
John 10:30 (ESV2011, MBM)