Two Camps... rules & grace

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trofimus

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"Hear, O Israel: YHVH our God, YHVH is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

I and the Father are one."
John 10:30 (ESV2011, MBM)
If you interpret these as meaning 'one person', your interpretation is wrong.

If you dont interpret these as meaning 'one person', there is no point in posting them in reply to more persons in God.

Got it?
 
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If you interpret these as meaning 'one person', your interpretation is wrong.

If you dont interpret these as meaning 'one person', there is no point in posting them in reply to more persons in God.

Got it?
God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Numbers 23:19 (KJV, MBM)
 

trofimus

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God [is] not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do [it]? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good?
Numbers 23:19 (KJV, MBM)
You can quote whole the Bible and still not understand anything from it.

You dont even have the courage to face the consequences of your judaistic poison.
 
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You can quote whole the Bible and still not understand anything from it.

You dont even have the courage to face the consequences of your judaistic poison.
wow. now that phrase would get a camp meeting stirred up!
 

posthuman

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Also, consider this.
The plans given to Moshe for the earthly tabernacle were a representation of the one in heaven.
In the Most Holy Place, there is the Ark of the Covenant. God's mercy seat is on top of the Ark of the Covenant. What is in the foundation of the throne? God's commandments.

& a jar of manna.
& the staff, which budded.

& what covers it? incense ((symbolic of prayer)) & blood.

He is to put the incense on the fire before the Lord, and the smoke of the incense will conceal the atonement cover above the tablets of the covenant law, so that he will not die. He is to take some of the bull’s blood and with his finger sprinkle it on the front of the atonement cover; then he shall sprinkle some of it with his finger seven times before the atonement cover.
He shall then slaughter the goat for the sin offering for the people and take its blood behind the curtain and do with it as he did with the bull’s blood: He shall sprinkle it on the atonement cover and in front of it.

(Leviticus 16:13-15)​

this is figurative of the altar in heaven.
in heaven, Christ's own blood was sprinkled on the altar -- the blood which removes sin, instead of covering it.

amen, the Law is in the Most Holy Place -- but that is not all that is in there; we need the whole picture.
for through the law comes knowledge of sin, but through the blood of Christ comes the forgiveness & eradication of sin, and He is the manna of God, the gift that is our sustenance, and the rod which budded is the life He has given to that which was dead.

praise the One who makes the dead rise in newness of life!
praise the One who casts my sin away from me further than the ends of the universe!
all glory & honor & power & authority is His!
 
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TonyJay

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Fabulous!
LOL!

Also for some reason it has brought tears to my eyes - I know not why - perhaps the Holy Spirit is trying to tell me something.
God does work in strange ways sometimes!
 
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jcha

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"Hear, O Israel: YHVH our God, YHVH is one.
Deuteronomy 6:4 (ESV2011, MBM)

I and the Father are one."
John 10:30 (ESV2011, MBM)
1 Corinthians 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

What does that verse mean? IDK Can someone enlighten on it?
 

valiant

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1 Corinthians 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

What does that verse mean? IDK Can someone enlighten on it?
It brings out the Sons part in creation while equating The Father the God and Jesus Christ the Lord..

we are in the Father and we are in Christ, and by Christ and Christ is in us.
 
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FreeNChrist

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1 Corinthians 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

What does that verse mean? IDK Can someone enlighten on it?
There is one God the Father, one God the Son (the Lord Jesus Christ), and one God the Holy Spirit. Who together comprise the One true God.
 

Yonah

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so....this thread turned into a trinity thread? I think staying with the op might be more productive.
 
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jamesg1951

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I like where the three are spoken of by Jesus when He says "I must go or the Father cannot send the Comforter, The Holy Spirit who will remind you of all I have told you. And also where He says Now I am WITH you, then I will be IN you.
 

valiant

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I like where the three are spoken of by Jesus when He says "I must go or the Father cannot send the Comforter, The Holy Spirit who will remind you of all I have told you. And also where He says Now I am WITH you, then I will be IN you.

add to that John 14.23 which shows that we are indwelt by Father, Son and Holy Spirit.:)

God cannot be separated in being.
 
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FreeNChrist

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so....this thread turned into a trinity thread? I think staying with the op might be more productive.

Thats the answer to the persons question about the passage of scripture they were asking about. It is what it is.
 
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Two camps rules & grace

It has never been two camps. There is only one camp that matters, are Gods people, the
Kingdom of Heaven.

In the Kingdom the rules reign, and forgiveness, mercy, love, patience, holiness are part of
its life blood.

The difference in the end is how does intellectual knowledge become heart knowledge?
And my answer is putting the words into action.

A testimony that struck me was a young man who was seeking God and knew the ideas
but his heart was not moved. A time came when he learnt his father had cancer, and
was likely to die. They had never spoken much, but on learning the news son and father
embraced. In his mind he now saw and understood Christ.

Emotional points of what matters to you, unlocking love, at a core heart level is where
God moves. When you care about the future and what happens to those around you,
the words are no longer ideas in your head, then are actual realities in your daily life.

We are often so hard hearted, though we say we know Christ, the things that matter to
us are so well defended, no one really breaks through and Jesus is just another strategy
that makes sense currently. So not surprisingly odd theories about money, success,
health, wealth, an easy life are very, very appealing.
 
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By the Grace of God we have been Saved.

Everything we have and everything we will have is from the Grace of God.

We are NOT under the Law because the Law has been shown to be powerless in making us Holy. Its by the Grace from God that we are sinless! Its by the Grace from God that we walk with Him in Righteousness!
 

Adstar

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When it comes to salvation it is Grace alone.. Jesus save us.. He is the Redeemer..