Veganism: Moral Superiority?
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Agreed, there can be ethical reasons to shop elsewhere but the argument for ethics isn't dependent upon the conditions the animal is raised in alone, it is from consuming animals at all. Choose a pristine environment, and the perfect diet for the animal (not corn and soy which is deleterious to our bodies from the animals we consume) and vegans would still take issue with them being included in our diet. Yes, the conditions and things animals go through at certain farms are horrendous but even the grass fed kind in the vegan's eyes is evil to consume.
Not sure if this has been mentioned ,but something I have noticed about vegans I have met ,is it's more about nonconformity with the mainstream or conservative culture than from personal beliefs . Its just a personal observation nothing from any study . Just wondering if is it hip to be vegan ?
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Magenta..since you mentioned Mad cow disease...learnt this in my microbiology class and thought it interesting...
Spotlight: Why Cannibalism is Bad for You | HealthMap
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Spotlight: Why Cannibalism is Bad for You | HealthMap
"BSE occurs when cows in stockyards are fed scrap parts of other cows contaminated with prions. The practice is cheap and leads to plump slaughter-ready cows, but it is also mandated cannibalism. - See more at: Spotlight: Why Cannibalism is Bad for You | HealthMap
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It's the result of evolution being taught in schools, that people are stupid enough to believing that animals and humans are the same and those people are animals because they do not poses the capacity to reason that humans do. Because humans can reason over animals. As for the domesticated argument, if it's okay to raise animals for pets, why is it not okay to raise animals for food?
Genesis 9:3-4 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
Acta 10:13-14 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”
Peter is a hypocrite here, he is at Simon the tanners have and Jews are not supposed to be around died animals, what do you tan? The sinks of dead animals.
Romans 14:1-3 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
They can eat whatever they want, but as soon as they judge my for eating meat, I realize that they are weak in the faith or have no faith at all.
Genesis 9:3-4 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.4 But you shall not eat flesh with its life, that is, its blood.
Acta 10:13-14 In it were all kinds of animals and reptiles and birds of the air.13 And there came a voice to him: “Rise, Peter; kill and eat.”14 But Peter said, “By no means, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean.”
Peter is a hypocrite here, he is at Simon the tanners have and Jews are not supposed to be around died animals, what do you tan? The sinks of dead animals.
Romans 14:1-3 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions.2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables.3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
They can eat whatever they want, but as soon as they judge my for eating meat, I realize that they are weak in the faith or have no faith at all.
Yes, I understand, the fact that animals are sentient is a main reason against eating them. There is a saying about not eating things that have faces... it also reminds me of pictures I have seen of animals in the slaughter house... do you think they know they are going to their death? Of course one of our greatest fears in relation to animals is being eaten by one, or attacked and harmed, dismembered, etc. It also seems that being farmed as a food source by aliens, for instance (if you believe such things could be possible; it does seem a human concern) is another fear. So there is that element to it, too, about not wishing to do to another sentient being what one does not wish to have done to one's own self. Cruelty to animals takes many forms. When you start looking at it, it becomes pretty obvious what wretched creatures human beings can be.
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Evolution has nothing to do with veganism
We should remember this verse:
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
Vegans....don't pass judgement on people who eat meat.
Meat eaters...don't despise vegetarians or vegans for not eating meat.
We should remember this verse:
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.
Vegans....don't pass judgement on people who eat meat.
Meat eaters...don't despise vegetarians or vegans for not eating meat.
I mean from an evolutionary standpoint, if all sentient beings are on an even playing field (meaning they are all animals) that just means that the strongest survive, might makes right, and humans then are at the top of the food chain. A food production system then is ingenious. Right? In the cruel world of such a mindset, we are victorious over our counterparts.
Had the lion the capacity to do it to the zebra, or any animal set up a means by which there is a residual flow of a food source, they would be set. In this evolutionary sense of Darwinism, we've made it to the top. Sentience isn't really a solid argument because other sentient creatures slaughter each other, and if we are grabbing morality from nature, we'll lets just say that there are some practices we'd rather not partake in or have happen to us. Eating our own babies, might be a prime example.
We cannot make morality be dependent upon the animal kingdom, because then it would just make us all animals.
Had the lion the capacity to do it to the zebra, or any animal set up a means by which there is a residual flow of a food source, they would be set. In this evolutionary sense of Darwinism, we've made it to the top. Sentience isn't really a solid argument because other sentient creatures slaughter each other, and if we are grabbing morality from nature, we'll lets just say that there are some practices we'd rather not partake in or have happen to us. Eating our own babies, might be a prime example.
We cannot make morality be dependent upon the animal kingdom, because then it would just make us all animals.
Hi Ben,
I think your brush is too wide.I try to and do pretty well at eating a vegan diet. My cholesterol is genetically high and I have other health issues as well.
So that’s why I’ve chosen to not eat meat, or at least, eat as little as possible.Also, unless you can afford organic meat, the meat we eat today is full or antibiotics, growth hormones pestisides, etc. It’s really not all that healthy.Because of the animals horrible living conditions, they can pass along diseases easily so they have to be given antibiotics which ends up endangering our health because of the overuse of them.
The bacteria in the meat becomes resistant to antibiotics which can be passed on to us when we eat the meat.They also give them hormones and supplements to promote growth so they can cut their costs in raising the animals for a shorter period of time, but that causes humans hormone imbalances and can cause cancer.
I have been to numerous vegan websites for information and recipes. Yes, there are many that are over-the-top vegans. They don’t eat honey and they won’t wear or use leather products for shoes, handbags, etc.But there are many others that either eat vegan for health reasons or eat vegan because of the inhumane treatment of animals and are standing against the conditions in hopes of change.
So within the vegan community, those that act as you’re describing are the minority as far as I can see. I’m on two vegan forums and most are not taking any moral high ground except to see America change the laws in how their farmers care for their animals and change the butchering process as well. It’s not a pretty picture.
I think your brush is too wide.I try to and do pretty well at eating a vegan diet. My cholesterol is genetically high and I have other health issues as well.
So that’s why I’ve chosen to not eat meat, or at least, eat as little as possible.Also, unless you can afford organic meat, the meat we eat today is full or antibiotics, growth hormones pestisides, etc. It’s really not all that healthy.Because of the animals horrible living conditions, they can pass along diseases easily so they have to be given antibiotics which ends up endangering our health because of the overuse of them.
The bacteria in the meat becomes resistant to antibiotics which can be passed on to us when we eat the meat.They also give them hormones and supplements to promote growth so they can cut their costs in raising the animals for a shorter period of time, but that causes humans hormone imbalances and can cause cancer.
I have been to numerous vegan websites for information and recipes. Yes, there are many that are over-the-top vegans. They don’t eat honey and they won’t wear or use leather products for shoes, handbags, etc.But there are many others that either eat vegan for health reasons or eat vegan because of the inhumane treatment of animals and are standing against the conditions in hopes of change.
So within the vegan community, those that act as you’re describing are the minority as far as I can see. I’m on two vegan forums and most are not taking any moral high ground except to see America change the laws in how their farmers care for their animals and change the butchering process as well. It’s not a pretty picture.
Definitely go with organic, grass fed and grass finished meat. Pastured chicken. Its awful, a lot of the information on how they treat animals. Absolutely. Did you know that they feed cows corn to fatten them up, but what you may not know is that such a food isn't meant for cows and so when the cow eats it, it actually gives the cow heartburn (just like a human). So, what do they do? They give the cow calcium carbonate, just like Tums, to alleviate the heartburn. It also makes the cow unable to breath because it tightens their throat, which they then give them antibiotics to address.
So yeah, its important the type of meat you consume, especially in consideration of what the animals eat. There is a saying, "You are what you eat, ate." Its not just what you're eating that matters, but what the animals consumed because it also is ingested, leading to a number of problems.
So yeah, its important the type of meat you consume, especially in consideration of what the animals eat. There is a saying, "You are what you eat, ate." Its not just what you're eating that matters, but what the animals consumed because it also is ingested, leading to a number of problems.
I am not sure how evolution became part of the dialogue, but even so, might does not make right, as humans are not the top of the food chain due to physical strength but because of our intellect. Animals are hardly ones for using tools, even if a few are known to, though not very complex ones, more like, whatever is at hand, as opposed to us, who construct massive and complex machinery capable of doing extraordinary things. So being at the top of the food chain due to our superior intellect, we also have this inbuilt conscience, which has gone awry due to the fall of humanity, which has actually affected all of creation. The promised world to come is supposed to have all creatures co-existing peacefully together. Animals were not given for food until after the flood. As to consuming our own babies, as Galatea has mentioned, abortion is definitely a problem. We may not eat them, but they are certainly consumed/killed (some would even say murdered) by what we allow.
Before the flood people were vegetarians,or at least they should of been according to God,for He said He gave them plant life to eat,and had not instituted the eating of meat yet,but it was after Noah and his family came off the ark that eating meat was then alright to eat.
After Noah and his family came off the boat,then God said every living thing shall be meat for you.
Then with the Old Testament a separation of clean and unclean animals.
The New Testament back to every living thing shall be meat for you,for the Bible says all meat is good,and nothing to be refused,if it be received with thanksgiving,for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Jesus ate fish,and some people think He ate Lamb at the passover,but Jesus said He did desire to eat with them,and drink with them,but He would not do it.
God warns us of the new age movement that will be a big control factor in the future,and they will unify the religions,and it will be an international law to abstain from meats,and a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction.
So being a vegetarian will be pushed big time,and even bigger as time goes on.
But a person is not more moral for being a vegetarian,as many great saints have been meat eaters,for whether to eat meat,or not eat meat,has no bearing on our relationship with God,for He said He does not care if you abstain from meat,or eat meat,it makes no difference to Him.
In the world some would say it is more moral to abstain from meat,but to God it does not matter if you eat meat,or not eat meat.
Homosexuality and being a vegetarian are becoming popular,because there are people pushing it and influencing many people,but that is what they want because it will be the operation of the world in the future,being a vegetarian for sure as international law,but not homosexuality,but they can abstain from sex and a partnership,but a man and a woman cannot marry,but pushing homosexuality increases the chances that some will not desire the opposite sex.
After Noah and his family came off the boat,then God said every living thing shall be meat for you.
Then with the Old Testament a separation of clean and unclean animals.
The New Testament back to every living thing shall be meat for you,for the Bible says all meat is good,and nothing to be refused,if it be received with thanksgiving,for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
Jesus ate fish,and some people think He ate Lamb at the passover,but Jesus said He did desire to eat with them,and drink with them,but He would not do it.
God warns us of the new age movement that will be a big control factor in the future,and they will unify the religions,and it will be an international law to abstain from meats,and a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction.
So being a vegetarian will be pushed big time,and even bigger as time goes on.
But a person is not more moral for being a vegetarian,as many great saints have been meat eaters,for whether to eat meat,or not eat meat,has no bearing on our relationship with God,for He said He does not care if you abstain from meat,or eat meat,it makes no difference to Him.
In the world some would say it is more moral to abstain from meat,but to God it does not matter if you eat meat,or not eat meat.
Homosexuality and being a vegetarian are becoming popular,because there are people pushing it and influencing many people,but that is what they want because it will be the operation of the world in the future,being a vegetarian for sure as international law,but not homosexuality,but they can abstain from sex and a partnership,but a man and a woman cannot marry,but pushing homosexuality increases the chances that some will not desire the opposite sex.