Walk of faith ...not for the self-righteous
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There is no FALSE in this witness. The YOU are all the Chrsitians. Or people CLAIMING to be Chrsitians. (not YOU as in Crossnotes). Did God not say He Himslef shall bear witness with the Christians that they are Children of God?
Now here is what I ask.... If a man says... I am Chrsitian. What is he saying and how does God bear witness with him that he truly is a Christian. And to WHOM does God bear the witness? Even to a FALSE ACCUSER like me? Does God bear witness with the Chrsitian or not? And how does He (God) bear witness?
My winess is NOT false. There is not a sinlge lie in that long thing I wrote. This is what "Chrsitians" do to me, and MANY other NON CHRISTIANS... And here is another TRUTH....I saw more love in the whores of Thailand than I saw in the church I belonged too. The night when god whoed me the heart of the church, I CRIED so hard they had to stop the coincil meeting.
God showed me a black, cold and wet rock. That was the heart of the church. And a few hours later that evening God removed kidney stones form our caretakers wife's body when we prayed for her. A miricle that still bear witness that I do not lie! I am NOT a christian that preach Word and do not DO Word. I practice what I preach, and God makes sure I walk in His Statutes and KEEP His judgements. And my GROWTH is in HIS hands. I Trust HE WILL do as HE WILL DO.
Thank you for the chat crossnotes.
Now here is what I ask.... If a man says... I am Chrsitian. What is he saying and how does God bear witness with him that he truly is a Christian. And to WHOM does God bear the witness? Even to a FALSE ACCUSER like me? Does God bear witness with the Chrsitian or not? And how does He (God) bear witness?
My winess is NOT false. There is not a sinlge lie in that long thing I wrote. This is what "Chrsitians" do to me, and MANY other NON CHRISTIANS... And here is another TRUTH....I saw more love in the whores of Thailand than I saw in the church I belonged too. The night when god whoed me the heart of the church, I CRIED so hard they had to stop the coincil meeting.
God showed me a black, cold and wet rock. That was the heart of the church. And a few hours later that evening God removed kidney stones form our caretakers wife's body when we prayed for her. A miricle that still bear witness that I do not lie! I am NOT a christian that preach Word and do not DO Word. I practice what I preach, and God makes sure I walk in His Statutes and KEEP His judgements. And my GROWTH is in HIS hands. I Trust HE WILL do as HE WILL DO.
Thank you for the chat crossnotes.
Are you trying to say that you deny all words of scripture if they mention law because you have the Holy Spirit? According to scripture the words of the Lord have great power, as the Holy Spirit has power. They work together. What God considers foolish is very interesting, that is a fascinating thread. The words of the Lord are never foolish.
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Crossnote raises some good points. Look family not all scripture is speaking directly to us in every instance. Some is speaking to the unsaved, the unjust, the hurting, the born again the active sinner, the lost, the Jews, the Gentiles and host of other people.
The word is in essence speaking directly to us in that is showing us where we are in God's overall plan. Yes all scripture can be used for teaching, rebuke, edifying, instruction but not all scripture applies directly to us in all cases. We can however find a scripture that closely relates to our current circumstance because God is that wise.
Now how we apply that scripture will show us what we need to work on if we will get out of our own ways of understanding and apply scripture evenly with wisdom and discernment. Scripture is our roadmap and we all know everyone even with a map has problems with following directions. Just a thought.
The word is in essence speaking directly to us in that is showing us where we are in God's overall plan. Yes all scripture can be used for teaching, rebuke, edifying, instruction but not all scripture applies directly to us in all cases. We can however find a scripture that closely relates to our current circumstance because God is that wise.
Now how we apply that scripture will show us what we need to work on if we will get out of our own ways of understanding and apply scripture evenly with wisdom and discernment. Scripture is our roadmap and we all know everyone even with a map has problems with following directions. Just a thought.
Just wanting to add a few verses to this excellent post.
"To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law." 1 Cor. 9:21
"yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified." Gal. 2:16
"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose." Gal. 2:21
"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." Gal. 6:2
"For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2
"in order that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death," Phil. 3:8b-10
"To those outside the law I became as one outside the law (not being outside the law of God but under the law of Christ) that I might win those outside the law." 1 Cor. 9:21
"yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified." Gal. 2:16
"I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose." Gal. 2:21
"Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." Gal. 6:2
"For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2
"in order that I may gain Christ [SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith— [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death," Phil. 3:8b-10
Ezek 36:26 and 37... LOOK what hte holy Spirit does..... HE CASUE YOU TO WALK IN THE LAW.....Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Here REDTENT here is the proof for those that knoweth not God and His stauttes and judgment.... The Holy Spirit does THREE Steps with us... Reproof us of THREE things.... Sin, rightoeusness and judgment, And he does it STEP by STEP... First sin... he cannot start with second reproofing when he is busy with the first. Get done with it and OBEY the Spirit.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Here REDTENT here is the proof for those that knoweth not God and His stauttes and judgment.... The Holy Spirit does THREE Steps with us... Reproof us of THREE things.... Sin, rightoeusness and judgment, And he does it STEP by STEP... First sin... he cannot start with second reproofing when he is busy with the first. Get done with it and OBEY the Spirit.
I am truly shook that there are sometimes false witness in scripture, it always seems to be when some scripture is left out, we must look at all scripture.
We can see it when demons tempted Jesus, they used scripture to temp Him. Remember when demons asked Christ to jump from a high place because scripture said God would hold Him up? Jesus said "it was also written" not to temp the Lord.
As Christians, we must never, never ignore any scripture or we can be tempted with a partial scripture.
As an example we must walk in faith, we must check scripture for all other instructions about our walk for "it is also written".
We can see it when demons tempted Jesus, they used scripture to temp Him. Remember when demons asked Christ to jump from a high place because scripture said God would hold Him up? Jesus said "it was also written" not to temp the Lord.
As Christians, we must never, never ignore any scripture or we can be tempted with a partial scripture.
As an example we must walk in faith, we must check scripture for all other instructions about our walk for "it is also written".
Why is it that I am persecuted for listening to the Holy Spirit, when the Holy Spirit listens to the written work, and I want to include it? Over and over I am persecuted for hearing my Lord speak to me in scripture, also. Over and over I am told I must ignore anything written. It does not make sense to me. The very essence of the Lord is in the word, it is precious, and supposed Christians tell me not to hear it. Do you think it would drown out the voice of the Holy Spirit? It doesn't, they speak together.
I think the following video does a great job of distinguishing between self-righteousness and being faithful in God. I just found it two days ago. It's part of an overarching series studying the Ark of the Covenant, but I think she does a great job at clearly explaining my position as one who's obedient to God's law but who's saved by Christ's grace through faith alone. Below it, I post a few key time-stamps where she makes great points (along with my own added points supporting hers).
It's 43 mins but really easy to follow, so I ask you to give it a chance.
[video=youtube;4CM3MTzbfOo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CM3MTzbfOo&list=PL643C879DAE964A5A[/video]
11:25 - example: Theft is still forbidden (even *after* being pardoned for theft).
11:30 - "If the man continues his criminal activities [even *after* being pardoned] he can still be stopped as the law still stands."
11:53 - "If [God] had done away with the law, God could not judge anyone...free pass for anyone to heaven."
12:45 - "Mercy is 'the exception'...If mercy were 'the rule', it would not be mercy."
This is why the two tablets of the law were placed in the ark and COVERED by the MERCY seat:
a) As the ark is a representation of the Throne of God, the Law (in the ark) is the foundation/base of God's supreme authority.
If the law is done away then God's authority is done away...If there's no authority, there's no right to judge *ANYONE*.
b) As the mercy seat covers the law; the same one who established the law has the authority to dispense mercy for transgressions of that law (to the truly repentant and not the willful lawbreaker), which is why God can *immediately reverse* any mercy/pardon/forgiveness he shows (like in the parable of the unforgiving servant).
16:19 - (note the context) "Scripture shows that those who accused the disciples of speaking against God's law* were called "false witnesses. Today many Christians continue this false witness claiming the disciples spoke against God's law."
16:43 - "The disciple had been told to first preach to the lost tribes of Israel (so that the gospel would maintain its *correct context*), and THEN it was to be given to the gentiles."
Christ said to the Samaritan woman, "...you don't know what it is you worship...salvation is of the Jews". The Samaritans are known for changing ordinances of God's law.
17:18 -
Function "A") The Moral Law = defines/witnesses to sin & expose the transgressor (establishing God's holiness, authority & justice)
Function "B") The Ceremonial Law (sacrificial system) = atonement/forgiveness/justification for sin (i.e. blotting out and pardoning/obtaining mercy for breaking the Moral Law). These are the "works" men could no longer do to achieve forgiveness/salvation from sin that Paul refers to in his letters, NOT the works of following God's Moral law (i.e. God's righteousness) but performing sacrificial rituals and MAN-MADE traditions of worship (i.e. "self-righteousness").
Christ did not do away with God's Moral Law, but did away with the Ceremonial Law, perfecting forgiveness by becoming the eternal High Priest & Sacrifice to perform function "B".
This is why we must have faith in Christ's work; belief in Christ's work (alone) to obtain the required mercy from God FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS OF THE (unchanged) LAW.
Then Christ's gift of The Holy Spirit provides us with the power to perform function "A"; obey God's Moral Law *AFTER* we've obtained mercy...and when we stumble & sin through weakness (requiring a sacrifice) we now take our sins to Christ for him to take care of (in the new & living covenant), ask forgiveness and repent (i.e. turn away from that sin forever).
22:18-22:30 - The debate was **never** about whether "one could obtain atonement/forgiveness (function "B") through God's Moral Law" because that was NEVER its function..." Yah's Moral Law was *NEVER* for atonement (whether fully or partially), rather God's Ceremonial/Sacrificial (i.e. "sin PAYMENT") Laws forshadowed that function "B" (which was only affected once Christ finally appeared).
In other words, the debates exemplified in Acts were centered around The Sacrificial Laws (Not The Moral Laws)...this is why Hebrews goes to great lengths to explain the fulfillment of the "Ritual of Atonement" and the difference between the blood of animals and Christ's blood...while STILL emphasizing that *deliberately continuing willful sins* [Heb. 10:26] are NOT covered by Christ's sacrifice (because that's taking Christ's grace as a license to continue breaking God's law, treating his one & only sacrifice with disdain).
This is what Christ was talking about when he said "one can't pour new wine in old wine skins". His words here had nothing to do with God's Commandments (Moral Law) but with the sacrificial laws that "atone" (including fasting and other efforts that attempted to "MAKE PAYMENT for a transgression"). Christ also wasn't talking about the traditions of the Pharisees when he said this, rather Christ would flat out rejected the pharisaic traditions at *every* opportunity (because they weren't part of God's Moral Law).
30:36 - "Paul is the only writer in the bible that the bible itself **warns against** misunderstanding".
Without the foundation of the Old Covenant & God's Laws, one can't properly understand Paul...but many incorrectly establish Paul's writings as the foundation for understanding the Old Covenant & God's Laws.
But notice in Revelation that the judgments of God only follow *AFTER* the ark of the covenant is shown from heaven. The ark; the throne of God that contains God's Moral law at its foundation.
35:30 - "[Apostles/Disciples] did not have authority as lawmakers above God..."
36:47 - "The Heart being **in harmony with God's law** was more important than a ritual" (1 Cor. 7:19)
36:30 - "...not to put the commandments of men above the commandments of God."
39:34 - "traditions and commandments of men BASED UPON SCRIPTURE BUT STILL MAN-MADE are *still* illegal"
(Forgive me but) this includes things such as new holidays, a new rest day, preaching "tithing else cursed" commandment (i.e. being partial with this law even though the whole law is supposedly done away at the same time), restrictions on preaching without receiving a diploma from bible college or seminary, etc. These things are actually examples of true self-righteousness because they *did not* come from any command God spoke but came from things men decided to do (albeit for God).
It's the written Sacrificial Laws that are not ours to follow; not anyone's to follow anymore who believes in Christ...but not God's Moral Law; those are still ours to follow.
If God's law is done away, God's kingdom is done away, and God's authority as "King" is done away too. God has *no right* to judge anyone for anything on Judgment day. Without the law as a standard, anyone can believe in the God/Christ of their own heart (i.e. "I feel God wants me to...") and righteousness becomes "relative" (i.e. "I can't see how God would have a problem with me..."). Self-Righteousness.
Judges 17:6
It's 43 mins but really easy to follow, so I ask you to give it a chance.
[video=youtube;4CM3MTzbfOo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CM3MTzbfOo&list=PL643C879DAE964A5A[/video]
11:25 - example: Theft is still forbidden (even *after* being pardoned for theft).
11:30 - "If the man continues his criminal activities [even *after* being pardoned] he can still be stopped as the law still stands."
11:53 - "If [God] had done away with the law, God could not judge anyone...free pass for anyone to heaven."
12:45 - "Mercy is 'the exception'...If mercy were 'the rule', it would not be mercy."
This is why the two tablets of the law were placed in the ark and COVERED by the MERCY seat:
a) As the ark is a representation of the Throne of God, the Law (in the ark) is the foundation/base of God's supreme authority.
If the law is done away then God's authority is done away...If there's no authority, there's no right to judge *ANYONE*.
b) As the mercy seat covers the law; the same one who established the law has the authority to dispense mercy for transgressions of that law (to the truly repentant and not the willful lawbreaker), which is why God can *immediately reverse* any mercy/pardon/forgiveness he shows (like in the parable of the unforgiving servant).
16:19 - (note the context) "Scripture shows that those who accused the disciples of speaking against God's law* were called "false witnesses. Today many Christians continue this false witness claiming the disciples spoke against God's law."
16:43 - "The disciple had been told to first preach to the lost tribes of Israel (so that the gospel would maintain its *correct context*), and THEN it was to be given to the gentiles."
Christ said to the Samaritan woman, "...you don't know what it is you worship...salvation is of the Jews". The Samaritans are known for changing ordinances of God's law.
17:18 -
Function "A") The Moral Law = defines/witnesses to sin & expose the transgressor (establishing God's holiness, authority & justice)
Function "B") The Ceremonial Law (sacrificial system) = atonement/forgiveness/justification for sin (i.e. blotting out and pardoning/obtaining mercy for breaking the Moral Law). These are the "works" men could no longer do to achieve forgiveness/salvation from sin that Paul refers to in his letters, NOT the works of following God's Moral law (i.e. God's righteousness) but performing sacrificial rituals and MAN-MADE traditions of worship (i.e. "self-righteousness").
Christ did not do away with God's Moral Law, but did away with the Ceremonial Law, perfecting forgiveness by becoming the eternal High Priest & Sacrifice to perform function "B".
This is why we must have faith in Christ's work; belief in Christ's work (alone) to obtain the required mercy from God FOR OUR TRANSGRESSIONS OF THE (unchanged) LAW.
Then Christ's gift of The Holy Spirit provides us with the power to perform function "A"; obey God's Moral Law *AFTER* we've obtained mercy...and when we stumble & sin through weakness (requiring a sacrifice) we now take our sins to Christ for him to take care of (in the new & living covenant), ask forgiveness and repent (i.e. turn away from that sin forever).
22:18-22:30 - The debate was **never** about whether "one could obtain atonement/forgiveness (function "B") through God's Moral Law" because that was NEVER its function..." Yah's Moral Law was *NEVER* for atonement (whether fully or partially), rather God's Ceremonial/Sacrificial (i.e. "sin PAYMENT") Laws forshadowed that function "B" (which was only affected once Christ finally appeared).
In other words, the debates exemplified in Acts were centered around The Sacrificial Laws (Not The Moral Laws)...this is why Hebrews goes to great lengths to explain the fulfillment of the "Ritual of Atonement" and the difference between the blood of animals and Christ's blood...while STILL emphasizing that *deliberately continuing willful sins* [Heb. 10:26] are NOT covered by Christ's sacrifice (because that's taking Christ's grace as a license to continue breaking God's law, treating his one & only sacrifice with disdain).
This is what Christ was talking about when he said "one can't pour new wine in old wine skins". His words here had nothing to do with God's Commandments (Moral Law) but with the sacrificial laws that "atone" (including fasting and other efforts that attempted to "MAKE PAYMENT for a transgression"). Christ also wasn't talking about the traditions of the Pharisees when he said this, rather Christ would flat out rejected the pharisaic traditions at *every* opportunity (because they weren't part of God's Moral Law).
30:36 - "Paul is the only writer in the bible that the bible itself **warns against** misunderstanding".
Without the foundation of the Old Covenant & God's Laws, one can't properly understand Paul...but many incorrectly establish Paul's writings as the foundation for understanding the Old Covenant & God's Laws.
But notice in Revelation that the judgments of God only follow *AFTER* the ark of the covenant is shown from heaven. The ark; the throne of God that contains God's Moral law at its foundation.
35:30 - "[Apostles/Disciples] did not have authority as lawmakers above God..."
36:47 - "The Heart being **in harmony with God's law** was more important than a ritual" (1 Cor. 7:19)
36:30 - "...not to put the commandments of men above the commandments of God."
39:34 - "traditions and commandments of men BASED UPON SCRIPTURE BUT STILL MAN-MADE are *still* illegal"
(Forgive me but) this includes things such as new holidays, a new rest day, preaching "tithing else cursed" commandment (i.e. being partial with this law even though the whole law is supposedly done away at the same time), restrictions on preaching without receiving a diploma from bible college or seminary, etc. These things are actually examples of true self-righteousness because they *did not* come from any command God spoke but came from things men decided to do (albeit for God).
It's the written Sacrificial Laws that are not ours to follow; not anyone's to follow anymore who believes in Christ...but not God's Moral Law; those are still ours to follow.
If God's law is done away, God's kingdom is done away, and God's authority as "King" is done away too. God has *no right* to judge anyone for anything on Judgment day. Without the law as a standard, anyone can believe in the God/Christ of their own heart (i.e. "I feel God wants me to...") and righteousness becomes "relative" (i.e. "I can't see how God would have a problem with me..."). Self-Righteousness.
Judges 17:6
In those days there was no king in Israel, but every man did that which was right in his own eyes [i.e. self-righteousness].
If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.
(Rom 8:11)
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
(Rom 8:14)
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another. But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
(Gal 5:13-16)
I don't see why it has to be so difficult. The Child of God who has been truly born again has a new nature...he has God's desires as well as the Life of Christ/Holy Spirit dwelling, alive in him. Of course the promptings of the Spirit and the new nature will not lead us to go against God's nature/desires. The enemy is the flesh/, not the law, but the law has no power to enable us to carry out the Christian walk. Galatians 5 explains our walk quite well compared to one who is trying in their own strength to attain righteousness/sanctification.
(Rom 8:11)
For all who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God.
(Rom 8:14)
For you were called to freedom, brothers. Only do not use your freedom as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, watch out that you are not consumed by one another. But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh.
(Gal 5:13-16)
I don't see why it has to be so difficult. The Child of God who has been truly born again has a new nature...he has God's desires as well as the Life of Christ/Holy Spirit dwelling, alive in him. Of course the promptings of the Spirit and the new nature will not lead us to go against God's nature/desires. The enemy is the flesh/, not the law, but the law has no power to enable us to carry out the Christian walk. Galatians 5 explains our walk quite well compared to one who is trying in their own strength to attain righteousness/sanctification.
Crossnote, ALL you qoute from the Bbile I have ACCEPTED as God's Truth. There is not a single verse in the Bible that I do not believe to be God's Word and Truth. Ok let me get ths so you will understand. I ccaept the KJV as truth. And the old translation in Afrikaans, these two Bibles are identical. The others jsut confuse me.
I did a Bible session with a lade AOM and she also only received the revelation once she read the KJV. The NIV she used cnfused her and she immediately understood God when she read it in the KJV.
I will use only one scripture to explain.... But there are thousands of similar confusion in the man-input to try and make God's Word understandible for sinners that do not want to know they can be perfect, and HAVE to be perfect.
Let me use one experience in my life where the MAN-input Bible NIV and Afrikaans NEW translation FAILED GOD!
2 Peter 1:21... KJV. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
NIV... For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Please not that the word HOLY is left out. Now when God showed me that all who are born of God sinneth notand cannot sin, I did not believe God. You see I had the NIV in Afrikaans. It says humans spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. So I knew all humans sin and therefore are never holy as God is holy. And this was my conviction and doctrine. I am human therefore not really as holy as God.
Then a friend of mine asked me... what Bible do you read , and I said the New transklation (NIV) in Afrikaans. And He said you will NEVER know God's will in that Bible. That is satan's bible.... WOW! That was hard words, and I was shocked. but then after I started the KJV (Afrikaans OLD translation) things started to fall in place. And when I aw thet HOLY MEN OF GOD SPOKE OF HIM AND THEY WERE MOVED by the Holy Spirit, I knew how God's men were NOT HUMAN!
You see here is the differance between human (man) and HOLY MAN OF GOD (Holy men).... JESUS! The difference between man and holy man is JESUS CHRIST. Exactly what 1 John 3:9 says.... WHOSOEVER is Born of God sineth not! Born of God is NOT human, it is JESUS CHRIST! Godly man! Not HU-MAN but GOD-MAN The difference is HU (you) and GOD (Chrsit-like) man.
NOw when my minister challenged me to SHOW him a holy man, I could not for I did not have the WORD OF GOD WRITTEN ON MY HEART. I studied where there is NO MENTION of Holy men of God. But today.... Today! Oh Bookends.... Do I have some things to show him today... UNfortunately God severed our paths, but who knows maybe God will SHOW him a holy man of God yet. One BORN OF GOD.. with the NEW heart and HIS SPIRIT. NOt born of flesh like HU-MAN but BORN OF GOD and made a GOD-MAN ... Chrsit like!
Sir I just know you misunderstood me that I said YOU as BOOKENDS owe me money and do all those horrible things. I took no offence to you saying it is false witness. Us South Africans talk another English than you Americans. People always think that when we say YOU we mean you personally.
Oh and some heated feelings come from misunderstanding. I really took no offence crossnote. I know we care for eachother and will not hurt purposeful the other.
I did a Bible session with a lade AOM and she also only received the revelation once she read the KJV. The NIV she used cnfused her and she immediately understood God when she read it in the KJV.
I will use only one scripture to explain.... But there are thousands of similar confusion in the man-input to try and make God's Word understandible for sinners that do not want to know they can be perfect, and HAVE to be perfect.
Let me use one experience in my life where the MAN-input Bible NIV and Afrikaans NEW translation FAILED GOD!
2 Peter 1:21... KJV. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.
NIV... For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
Please not that the word HOLY is left out. Now when God showed me that all who are born of God sinneth notand cannot sin, I did not believe God. You see I had the NIV in Afrikaans. It says humans spoke as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit. So I knew all humans sin and therefore are never holy as God is holy. And this was my conviction and doctrine. I am human therefore not really as holy as God.
Then a friend of mine asked me... what Bible do you read , and I said the New transklation (NIV) in Afrikaans. And He said you will NEVER know God's will in that Bible. That is satan's bible.... WOW! That was hard words, and I was shocked. but then after I started the KJV (Afrikaans OLD translation) things started to fall in place. And when I aw thet HOLY MEN OF GOD SPOKE OF HIM AND THEY WERE MOVED by the Holy Spirit, I knew how God's men were NOT HUMAN!
You see here is the differance between human (man) and HOLY MAN OF GOD (Holy men).... JESUS! The difference between man and holy man is JESUS CHRIST. Exactly what 1 John 3:9 says.... WHOSOEVER is Born of God sineth not! Born of God is NOT human, it is JESUS CHRIST! Godly man! Not HU-MAN but GOD-MAN The difference is HU (you) and GOD (Chrsit-like) man.
NOw when my minister challenged me to SHOW him a holy man, I could not for I did not have the WORD OF GOD WRITTEN ON MY HEART. I studied where there is NO MENTION of Holy men of God. But today.... Today! Oh Bookends.... Do I have some things to show him today... UNfortunately God severed our paths, but who knows maybe God will SHOW him a holy man of God yet. One BORN OF GOD.. with the NEW heart and HIS SPIRIT. NOt born of flesh like HU-MAN but BORN OF GOD and made a GOD-MAN ... Chrsit like!
Sir I just know you misunderstood me that I said YOU as BOOKENDS owe me money and do all those horrible things. I took no offence to you saying it is false witness. Us South Africans talk another English than you Americans. People always think that when we say YOU we mean you personally.
Oh and some heated feelings come from misunderstanding. I really took no offence crossnote. I know we care for eachother and will not hurt purposeful the other.
You are a liittle mixed up there
faith is KEEPING the commandments
if you dont keep the commandments you dont have faith
Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness (lawkeeping), which is of the law, but that (Lawkeeping) which is through the faith (obedience to the word) of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (hearing and doing the word of God):
faith is KEEPING the commandments
if you dont keep the commandments you dont have faith
Phil 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness (lawkeeping), which is of the law, but that (Lawkeeping) which is through the faith (obedience to the word) of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith (hearing and doing the word of God):
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Through faith in Jesus, we recieive salvation, by the Holy Spirit, we recieve santification, all is grace.
(sorry about my spelling)
I was just reading Romans about this last night, and Paul speaks so clearly to this.
He spoke also to abraham, before there was the law or comandments, for all was credited to him because of faith.
It troubles me that there is so much confusion on this, when it is clearly spoken to in scripture.
For it is not all about what we do, for such works cannot save us, it all about having faith in all we do, for this is what brings all given by God in Jesus to us.
Its not about faith alone...
But that we do all in faith, not because what we do saves us, but because when done in faith, it is credited to us, for it is God's grace that saves us, just in case what we do, is not what we should do.
God bless
pickles
(sorry about my spelling)
I was just reading Romans about this last night, and Paul speaks so clearly to this.
He spoke also to abraham, before there was the law or comandments, for all was credited to him because of faith.
It troubles me that there is so much confusion on this, when it is clearly spoken to in scripture.
For it is not all about what we do, for such works cannot save us, it all about having faith in all we do, for this is what brings all given by God in Jesus to us.
Its not about faith alone...
But that we do all in faith, not because what we do saves us, but because when done in faith, it is credited to us, for it is God's grace that saves us, just in case what we do, is not what we should do.
God bless
pickles