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do you think these little mysterious qualifiers you slip in to your satanic accusations are going to help you in That Day, vw?
see, you willingly put yourself into a whole other category when you told us you spoke FOR GOD, that Jesus and The Holy Spirit speak DIRECTLY to us, through YOU. in first person.
you took upon yourself (you'll tell us He chose you for it) an authority that actually surpasses even what the real Apostles had - they NEVER uttered verbatim words as though from Jesus....that was an OT formula that was not continued even with John the Baptist, the bridge between the old and new prophets.
i've read and listened to a lot of false prophets (i know they're false for the office ceased), and there will be many many more to come. but i'm not certain i've come across anyone like you. i at first thought you were confused, but sincere.
then i saw you channel a spirit you claimed was Jesus, and i saw you as deluded (it broke my heart).
but as time goes by, as i read your words and pray and seek the Lord's counsel on this - i'm beginning to think something else altogether about you. i think you are far more dangerous than i did before.
see, you willingly put yourself into a whole other category when you told us you spoke FOR GOD, that Jesus and The Holy Spirit speak DIRECTLY to us, through YOU. in first person.
you took upon yourself (you'll tell us He chose you for it) an authority that actually surpasses even what the real Apostles had - they NEVER uttered verbatim words as though from Jesus....that was an OT formula that was not continued even with John the Baptist, the bridge between the old and new prophets.
i've read and listened to a lot of false prophets (i know they're false for the office ceased), and there will be many many more to come. but i'm not certain i've come across anyone like you. i at first thought you were confused, but sincere.
then i saw you channel a spirit you claimed was Jesus, and i saw you as deluded (it broke my heart).
but as time goes by, as i read your words and pray and seek the Lord's counsel on this - i'm beginning to think something else altogether about you. i think you are far more dangerous than i did before.
What day are you talking about. You have denied that that day is coming. Jesus is not returning to the earth.
The office has not ceased. You are wrong about this.
I have not and will not ever channel a spirit. If I speak in the Holy Spirit, that is not channeling another spirit. The Spirit that I speak by confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
Yep, I am much more dangerous than you first thought, because I am presenting to you the plain truth, and if you ignore it, that is then your fault.
In Christ,
The office has not ceased. You are wrong about this.
I have not and will not ever channel a spirit. If I speak in the Holy Spirit, that is not channeling another spirit. The Spirit that I speak by confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.
Yep, I am much more dangerous than you first thought, because I am presenting to you the plain truth, and if you ignore it, that is then your fault.
In Christ,
N
Nonsense. We define all through the Holy Spirit, not by Scripture. God is not scripture, God is the power and life! The early Christians were filled with the Spirit. And the peace we have only a touch of God Himself, because that He is peace. Are you afraid of other spirits, because you do not live in the Spirit and can not identify the other spirits!
You do not respond to me anymore and I have not been unkind to you. You and I live in the church age and Jesus Christ is ascended to the throne of God. In the early church they had these letters and epistles that were written by the apostles and they were circulated among the churches to give instruction, correction, reproof and to give doctrine. These are the same letters we have in our Bible. Without these letters many of the churches would not have the word of God that was revealed to his apostles and prophets. They would have known nothing about the church and body of Christ and nothing about the Holy Spirit, the resurrections or even Christ return. There was a group of disciples baptized unto John's baptism that Paul met in Ephesus that had never even heard that their was a Holy Spirit (Acts 19:1,2).
They would not have known how to function together as believers. You can't say that the Spirit would have taken care of that without the scriptures because the Holy Spirit uses the scriptures to teach truth to believers. That would be an insane proposition and it would be total chaos. They esteemed the word highly and knew that those letters were inspired of God and they were to give heed to what they communicated. These letters gave them faith and provided encouragement and light for them to walk in. These letters represented the oracles of God and the mind of Christ to each believer. They were inspired to edify them in the faith and build them up in Jesus Christ. How could Jesus Christ be an effective head of the church without His word being distributed and taught to every believer. The church needed preachers and teachers to expound the word and that word was contained in these letters. These letters were to them God's words right from His mouth and they did not separate God from His word. God was as good as His word and His word was as good as the One who spoke it.
Do you understand what I am saying to you? If you do not agree I would like to know your reason. Is that fair? I trust you and consider you to be a brother but your recent posts have not been a good representation of the Necto I knew from when you first came to this site.
They would not have known how to function together as believers. You can't say that the Spirit would have taken care of that without the scriptures because the Holy Spirit uses the scriptures to teach truth to believers. That would be an insane proposition and it would be total chaos. They esteemed the word highly and knew that those letters were inspired of God and they were to give heed to what they communicated. These letters gave them faith and provided encouragement and light for them to walk in. These letters represented the oracles of God and the mind of Christ to each believer. They were inspired to edify them in the faith and build them up in Jesus Christ. How could Jesus Christ be an effective head of the church without His word being distributed and taught to every believer. The church needed preachers and teachers to expound the word and that word was contained in these letters. These letters were to them God's words right from His mouth and they did not separate God from His word. God was as good as His word and His word was as good as the One who spoke it.
Do you understand what I am saying to you? If you do not agree I would like to know your reason. Is that fair? I trust you and consider you to be a brother but your recent posts have not been a good representation of the Necto I knew from when you first came to this site.
everthing you build up in your life is as a wall. we wall ourselves off from others, we wall ourself off from our own self. the person you are is not the child you were. the child you were, was walled off by you as you pursued your life. everything in your wall contains pebbles. see what st francis says about the stones. repent of your sins ask Jesus for help. watch as the walls you made are torn down and built into a path leading to a door. everything we love contains a seed. those seeds will be watered by Christ. the walls you built didnt hide you. the walls you built imprison you. you are a lock, Christ is the key. repent, ask Jesus for help.
Duewell
listen to pink floyds the wall. its not very christian but the wall concept is clearly there. all things serve God.
Duewell
listen to pink floyds the wall. its not very christian but the wall concept is clearly there. all things serve God.
N
Scripture is only witness of Christ, and it can not replace Him! In the beginning, we read the Scripture , had to come to Christ. In other words, being baptized in the word (water), we had to come to baptism in the Spirit. However, many did not follow the Spirit. This happened for different reasons. For example, the impure preaching, disbelief, fear of following the Spirit. Either way, those who live in the Spirit does not need human testimony, and they know Scripture not by carnal mind, but by the revelation of the Spirit. From this comes a confrontation between two interpretations: the carnal and the spiritual. Christ came not only water but also by the Spirit. Those who live in the flesh does not understand those who live in the Spirit, and the spiritual can not be judged by anyone , but by God and other spiritual. Yes, writing is still the rails for many, and rightly so in part, but writing has less influence on the believer and Christ more and more.
If believers know God only through the Scriptures, then woe to them!
If believers know God only through the Scriptures, then woe to them!
Only a foolish man would suggest to you to take the scriptures and lay them aside and try to walk in the Spirit, but that is what many suggest. God did not give us the Spirit to follow but rather that we would be lead by the Spirit according to every word that comes from the mouth of God. We do not follow the Spirit to get the truth but rather the Spirit guides into the truth because we have the word dwelling richly in our heart. To be spiritually minded is life and peace when we have God's word and His promises filling our minds and hearts with faith and hope through the Spirit. To live and walk in the Spirit apart from the word of God and His promises is not possible. This is why so many have spiritual problems because they rely upon the Spirit without the words of faith.
The word of God is our food and nourishment and without it we can not be led by the Spirit. The milk and meat of the word must be provided daily and we must be available to receive it and walk in the strength of it. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit. The battle is the Lord's only when His word through the Spirit fights our battles. If we do not have the word stored in the rooms of our soul it will be upon our flesh to fight those battles and we will become weary and faint in the flesh. To be a Spirit-filled believer we must be grow and be strong in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. To have wisdom and understanding we must have the knowledge of God. To walk in God's ways we must have the knowledge of God. To walk by faith we must have the knowledge of God. If you want to find out how important God's word was to David, a man after God's own heart, read Psalm 119. Your friend VW will not comment on Ps 119 and it was the Holy Spirit that inspired David to write it.
The word of God is our food and nourishment and without it we can not be led by the Spirit. The milk and meat of the word must be provided daily and we must be available to receive it and walk in the strength of it. The word of God is the sword of the Spirit. The battle is the Lord's only when His word through the Spirit fights our battles. If we do not have the word stored in the rooms of our soul it will be upon our flesh to fight those battles and we will become weary and faint in the flesh. To be a Spirit-filled believer we must be grow and be strong in grace and knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. To have wisdom and understanding we must have the knowledge of God. To walk in God's ways we must have the knowledge of God. To walk by faith we must have the knowledge of God. If you want to find out how important God's word was to David, a man after God's own heart, read Psalm 119. Your friend VW will not comment on Ps 119 and it was the Holy Spirit that inspired David to write it.
N
My friend, David did just read the scripture? You only cite as an example a single psalm! Is David did not get many revelations? Is not he frequently heard the voice of God within himself, sending him on the way? You should also know the other psalms of David. Is not the Spirit of God inspired David to write new hymns? In these psalms, expressed the idea that was not taken from Scripture, and was thought of Who was inspiring.
Let others have a spiritual problem, but is only on that we do not live in the Spirit? Those others have problems, because that they have been taught incorrectly or do not have experience. Yes, the Spirit illuminates us the revelation of Scripture, but He illuminates us not as we want, but how He wants it, because it is His Scripture and not ours! Next. You say that we do not follow the Spirit. And for whom should we go? For the Lord? Who today is the Lord, is not life-giving Spirit? If the Lord in the Scriptures say: Follow me, now we follow the Lord, following the Spirit! So the Spirit not only teaches us the whole truth, but we follow the Spirit!
Let others have a spiritual problem, but is only on that we do not live in the Spirit? Those others have problems, because that they have been taught incorrectly or do not have experience. Yes, the Spirit illuminates us the revelation of Scripture, but He illuminates us not as we want, but how He wants it, because it is His Scripture and not ours! Next. You say that we do not follow the Spirit. And for whom should we go? For the Lord? Who today is the Lord, is not life-giving Spirit? If the Lord in the Scriptures say: Follow me, now we follow the Lord, following the Spirit! So the Spirit not only teaches us the whole truth, but we follow the Spirit!
I will say this one thing to you and then lay it to rest. The Spirit of God leads us to follow Christ, to worship Christ, to love Christ with all our heart, to heed the words of Christ, to fellowship with Christ because Christ is our Saviour, who shed His blood, who paid and forgives us of our sins and to look for Christ who is coming back for those that He has redeemed by His blood. If we are truly led by the Spirit we will be occupied with Jesus Christ and no other.
Red believes that if one is following the Spirit above the scriptures then that one is disallowing scriptures any place in their life. Oddly enough, this distorted view shows a doctrine which is exactly the subject of this thread. He says that I teach that we lay aside scripture, that we throw out scripture completely, that we follow only the Spirit and just go willy nilly any which way.
God is not a God of confusion. But God is also our personal God, and Jesus is our personal Savior. The Holy Spirit lives in us because God gave Him to live in us at the request of Jesus Christ, who said that it was so important that He leave in order that the Spirit could come to live inside of us.
I have not once in my life ever told anyone to not read their bible. I have never told anyone once in my life to not go to church. I teach that we learn to trust the Spirit, even in how we understand the scriptures. That we lean on God Himself for our understanding. That we invest in that great and marvelous gift that we have of Himself, before we invest in anything else. That if we invest in these other things, and ignore this gift, that we have done a hurt to God and to ourselves. I teach that if we invest our lives in these other things and ignore, do not invest first in the Holy Spirit, that we are not pleasing to God.
For He is the Spirit of Christ, and by Him Jesus Himself lives in us. By this very same Holy Spirit we are one with Jesus, and with each other. But look around, read and seek to see how much is taught about the Holy Spirit.
That is our failing, and our destruction.
Repent, for the day of the Lord is near.
God is not a God of confusion. But God is also our personal God, and Jesus is our personal Savior. The Holy Spirit lives in us because God gave Him to live in us at the request of Jesus Christ, who said that it was so important that He leave in order that the Spirit could come to live inside of us.
I have not once in my life ever told anyone to not read their bible. I have never told anyone once in my life to not go to church. I teach that we learn to trust the Spirit, even in how we understand the scriptures. That we lean on God Himself for our understanding. That we invest in that great and marvelous gift that we have of Himself, before we invest in anything else. That if we invest in these other things, and ignore this gift, that we have done a hurt to God and to ourselves. I teach that if we invest our lives in these other things and ignore, do not invest first in the Holy Spirit, that we are not pleasing to God.
For He is the Spirit of Christ, and by Him Jesus Himself lives in us. By this very same Holy Spirit we are one with Jesus, and with each other. But look around, read and seek to see how much is taught about the Holy Spirit.
That is our failing, and our destruction.
Repent, for the day of the Lord is near.
A
so VW how do you "invest in this great and marvelous gift"? how would you learn to live in Christ? How would people learn to discern between the Holy Spirit's will and that of the flesh?
how would you tell people to live out these words?
2 Corinthians 10:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
what are our weapons? how do we pull down strongholds?
how would you tell people to live out these words?
2 Corinthians 10:3-5
New King James Version (NKJV)
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ,
what are our weapons? how do we pull down strongholds?
Do you imagine that they will learn by reading the bible without the leading of the Holy Spirit? Do you imagine that they will learn from teachers who do not trust the Holy Spirit for the material that they teach, but rather trust in methods of interpretation of the bible and their own wisdom? Did not scripture record that all those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God?
You jump to conclusions, and anytime one does this, they have not digested the message which they have jumped at. I call them knee jerk reactions. Not only does this not serve righteousness, but leaves the one doing so at the mercy of their emotions, never allowing the Spirit to lead and teach.
I read scriptures. I just do not read them as God held in my hand, but rather as the written word of God that is true and is not false, which is so holy that I do not even dare to try to take my own understanding of them, but rather seek and trust God to provide the understanding, the teaching, through His Holy Spirit. That way, I can be sure that my faith is based on the power of God, and not on the wisdom of men, and which would be even worse, my own wisdom.
Oh, by the way, we pull down strongholds by the power of God, by His might. It has something to do with God living in us by His Holy Spirit.
Repent, for the day of the Lord draws near.
You jump to conclusions, and anytime one does this, they have not digested the message which they have jumped at. I call them knee jerk reactions. Not only does this not serve righteousness, but leaves the one doing so at the mercy of their emotions, never allowing the Spirit to lead and teach.
I read scriptures. I just do not read them as God held in my hand, but rather as the written word of God that is true and is not false, which is so holy that I do not even dare to try to take my own understanding of them, but rather seek and trust God to provide the understanding, the teaching, through His Holy Spirit. That way, I can be sure that my faith is based on the power of God, and not on the wisdom of men, and which would be even worse, my own wisdom.
Oh, by the way, we pull down strongholds by the power of God, by His might. It has something to do with God living in us by His Holy Spirit.
Repent, for the day of the Lord draws near.
I don't expect you to understand what was posted because of your capacity and what is in your soul through your own understanding. You don't have a balance in your life or in your understanding concerning holiness or what it means to walk and be led of the Spirit. You do not have the esteem for the word of God as you should because you have been thrown off by past experience and it has made you and your understanding have a false balance
Prov 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is His delight.
You will probably get angry with this verse and tell me you don't believe in being balanced or that I am misapplying it. You probably think that if you have it from the Spirit then what needs to be balanced. God delights in a just weight and being balanced in the things of God. If you would actually take the time and consider what a just weight is and apply it to your understanding, the Spirit might just help you out and give some good balance.
Here's an example: Many feel that the blood of Christ in the atonement has the power to physically heal people of all their diseases, so they believe that their is healing in the atonement. They plead the blood over the sickness of themselves or others and there is no healing. So they have to blame someone or something because their was no healing. They have a false balance about the blood of the atonement. Any healing that a person receives through the blood of Christ has to do with the soul and not the physical body. Any redemption that comes from the blood of Christ for the body will not take place until we receive our new bodies or the redemption of our bodies. The present body we live in is plagued with the old sin nature of Adam, that we were conceived in, and through faith in the sovereignty of the living God that body can be healed of sickness and disease but not through the atonement.
Another side to this is that some believe that all affliction and sickness is of the devil and is connected to some kind of sin and those afflicted need to be delivered. Some may be afflicted and oppressed of the devil but it is not always connected to sin. Job was afflicted of the devil and his affliction had nothing to do with sin, though his friends thought so and gave him ungodly counsel. Jesus disciples, seeing a certain man that was blind from birth, asked the Lord if it was due to the sin of this man or his parents, but the Lord replied and said neither, but that the works of God should be made manifest (Jn 9:1-3). All of this is due to an imbalance in their thinking and they come out with the wrong understanding and conclusions. I believe that you have done the same with the Spirit in relationship to God's word and you refuse to receive any balance in your understanding no matter who has offered it in love or otherwise.
Prov 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is His delight.
You will probably get angry with this verse and tell me you don't believe in being balanced or that I am misapplying it. You probably think that if you have it from the Spirit then what needs to be balanced. God delights in a just weight and being balanced in the things of God. If you would actually take the time and consider what a just weight is and apply it to your understanding, the Spirit might just help you out and give some good balance.
Here's an example: Many feel that the blood of Christ in the atonement has the power to physically heal people of all their diseases, so they believe that their is healing in the atonement. They plead the blood over the sickness of themselves or others and there is no healing. So they have to blame someone or something because their was no healing. They have a false balance about the blood of the atonement. Any healing that a person receives through the blood of Christ has to do with the soul and not the physical body. Any redemption that comes from the blood of Christ for the body will not take place until we receive our new bodies or the redemption of our bodies. The present body we live in is plagued with the old sin nature of Adam, that we were conceived in, and through faith in the sovereignty of the living God that body can be healed of sickness and disease but not through the atonement.
Another side to this is that some believe that all affliction and sickness is of the devil and is connected to some kind of sin and those afflicted need to be delivered. Some may be afflicted and oppressed of the devil but it is not always connected to sin. Job was afflicted of the devil and his affliction had nothing to do with sin, though his friends thought so and gave him ungodly counsel. Jesus disciples, seeing a certain man that was blind from birth, asked the Lord if it was due to the sin of this man or his parents, but the Lord replied and said neither, but that the works of God should be made manifest (Jn 9:1-3). All of this is due to an imbalance in their thinking and they come out with the wrong understanding and conclusions. I believe that you have done the same with the Spirit in relationship to God's word and you refuse to receive any balance in your understanding no matter who has offered it in love or otherwise.