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[zone]

Red believes that if one is following the Spirit above the scriptures then that one is disallowing scriptures any place in their life. Oddly enough, this distorted view shows a doctrine which is exactly the subject of this thread. He says that I teach that we lay aside scripture, that we throw out scripture completely, that we follow only the Spirit and just go willy nilly any which way.

God is not a God of confusion. But God is also our personal God, and Jesus is our personal Savior. The Holy Spirit lives in us because God gave Him to live in us at the request of Jesus Christ, who said that it was so important that He leave in order that the Spirit could come to live inside of us.

I have not once in my life ever told anyone to not read their bible. I have never told anyone once in my life to not go to church. I teach that we learn to trust the Spirit, even in how we understand the scriptures. That we lean on God Himself for our understanding. That we invest in that great and marvelous gift that we have of Himself, before we invest in anything else. That if we invest in these other things, and ignore this gift, that we have done a hurt to God and to ourselves. I teach that if we invest our lives in these other things and ignore, do not invest first in the Holy Spirit, that we are not pleasing to God.

For He is the Spirit of Christ, and by Him Jesus Himself lives in us. By this very same Holy Spirit we are one with Jesus, and with each other. But look around, read and seek to see how much is taught about the Holy Spirit.

That is our failing, and our destruction.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is near.

Re: What is the bible?

http://christianchat.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=422285

There is an erroneous belief that every word of God is contained in the bible. What, you do not believe this? Then how can the reasoning which says that there cannot be prophecy because the bible is finished hold up under scrutiny? Every belief we have has an end result, every single one. If we believe that the bible is the final, finished and complete revelation of God, then we also believe that it contains all of the knowledge of God, along with every word He has spoken. For the belief says that there is no prophecy, because the bible is finished.

And yet, even in scripture we see that if all the words of Jesus, and all of His deeds, were written down, that there would not be enough room in the whole world to contain them. Do you see the problem? Each belief we have must be examined in the light of God's wisdom to see the end of that belief.

I once believed that I was saved because Jesus had died and rose again on my behalf. And while it is true that He did give Himself for me, that alone did not save me. For while I believed in His forgiveness, I did not draw near to Him with a sincere heart, to see sand know Him. I did just as the children of Israel did, and hardened my heart towards God, claiming His salvation while holding myself out of His light. And who could deliver me from my own lies? God did. It was not pretty.

If all that we know of God is what we read, and if all that we have of Him is knowledge gained by study and teaching; then we do not know God. And if we do not know God, we have believed in vain, and the sacrifice that Jesus made in order to purchase us from slavery has done us no good.

No, all knowledge of God is not in the bible. And all of His words are not contained therein. For God has not lost His mouth, and He has not stopped talking. We have stopped listening. And just as God judged those who hardened their hearts towards His voice, so He will judge us for the same thing, because He does not change, ever; else He is not God.

CHURCH:

every false prophet (they're all false - there are NO MORE PROPHETS) on the planet is teaching the same thing. they have to: otherwise they're out of a job.

just look at the heretical statements.

this is a tragic object lesson in what happens under mysticism.

 

[VW]

Every false prophet teaches that there is peace with God, to those who despise Him. And to everyone who walks in the stubbornness of their own heart, they say that calamity will not come upon them. And that the Holy Spirit has ceased His ministry in the church. And that Jesus is the bible, and the bible is Jesus.

I don't have the job of prophet. I take in no money, I gain no support from anything I receive for and give to the church.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

 

[VW]

I don't expect you to understand what was posted because of your capacity and what is in your soul through your own understanding. You don't have a balance in your life or in your understanding concerning holiness or what it means to walk and be led of the Spirit. You do not have the esteem for the word of God as you should because you have been thrown off by past experience and it has made you and your understanding have a false balance

Prov 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the Lord, but a just weight is His delight.

You will probably get angry with this verse and tell me you don't believe in being balanced or that I am misapplying it. You probably think that if you have it from the Spirit then what needs to be balanced. God delights in a just weight and being balanced in the things of God. If you would actually take the time and consider what a just weight is and apply it to your understanding, the Spirit might just help you out and give some good balance.

Here's an example: Many feel that the blood of Christ in the atonement has the power to physically heal people of all their diseases, so they believe that their is healing in the atonement. They plead the blood over the sickness of themselves or others and there is no healing. So they have to blame someone or something because their was no healing. They have a false balance about the blood of the atonement. Any healing that a person receives through the blood of Christ has to do with the soul and not the physical body. Any redemption that comes from the blood of Christ for the body will not take place until we receive our new bodies or the redemption of our bodies. The present body we live in is plagued with the old sin nature of Adam, that we were conceived in, and through faith in the sovereignty of the living God that body can be healed of sickness and disease but not through the atonement.

Another side to this is that some believe that all affliction and sickness is of the devil and is connected to some kind of sin and those afflicted need to be delivered. Some may be afflicted and oppressed of the devil but it is not always connected to sin. Job was afflicted of the devil and his affliction had nothing to do with sin, though his friends thought so and gave him ungodly counsel. Jesus disciples, seeing a certain man that was blind from birth, asked the Lord if it was due to the sin of this man or his parents, but the Lord replied and said neither, but that the works of God should be made manifest (Jn 9:1-3). All of this is due to an imbalance in their thinking and they come out with the wrong understanding and conclusions. I believe that you have done the same with the Spirit in relationship to God's word and you refuse to receive any balance in your understanding no matter who has offered it in love or otherwise.

You know nothing about me. Only a foolish person would suppose that they know about another over the internet. Even if you meet me and we talked for years, you would not know me truly.

Only God can know the heart. Only God can convict the heart, as He is greater than our hearts.

You cite Job. But your understanding is lacking. If you had understood what Job's friends were saying, it was the calamity had come upon him because of some great secret sin that he had not confessed to or for. And their arguments sounded very much like your arguments.

Did you even read what the original post? I don't think so.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

 

[Grandpa]

Every false prophet teaches that there is peace with God, to those who despise Him. And to everyone who walks in the stubbornness of their own heart, they say that calamity will not come upon them. And that the Holy Spirit has ceased His ministry in the church. And that Jesus is the bible, and the bible is Jesus.

I don't have the job of prophet. I take in no money, I gain no support from anything I receive for and give to the church.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

The bible says My sheep hear My voice and another they will not follow. Now if the eye does not hear the voice of the Lord does that make it not of the body? No of course not. The eye would argue that the Lord only appears in scripture and we should never trust anything else. The ear takes exception to this and says that is not the fullness of the Lord. We all see through a glass darkly and I think it would take all of the perception of the body to get a better idea of how the Lord communicates with us. But to argue amongst ourselves what is more important is futile for us because none of us knows the fullness of God (as far as I know) We know that scripture is Truth and is infallible and we can use scripture to ascertain what is from God and what is not.

I think the ear could argue with the eye for all eternity and not get to a common understanding. They just "see" things differently.

God Bless You

 

[unclefester]

Every false prophet teaches that there is peace with God, to those who despise Him. And to everyone who walks in the stubbornness of their own heart, they say that calamity will not come upon them. And that the Holy Spirit has ceased His ministry in the church. And that Jesus is the bible, and the bible is Jesus.

I don't have the job of prophet. I take in no money, I gain no support from anything I receive for and give to the church.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

So what does a true prophet teach VW ? Does he teach that there is no peace with God to those who despise Him (who doesn't know that ?) ? But why ? Are those who despise Him of Christ's church ? No....they are not. Which could only lead one to conclude that your "prophecies" aren't really for the church at all. Why ? Because the true church does not despise the Lord. But you really don't have much use for the church, do you ?

 

[Red33]

You know nothing about me. Only a foolish person would suppose that they know about another over the internet. Even if you meet me and we talked for years, you would not know me truly.

Only God can know the heart. Only God can convict the heart, as He is greater than our hearts.

You cite Job. But your understanding is lacking. If you had understood what Job's friends were saying, it was the calamity had come upon him because of some great secret sin that he had not confessed to or for. And their arguments sounded very much like your arguments.

Did you even read what the original post? I don't think so.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

I only know you by your own words and what you believe and have communicated on this site with over 4,000 posts. Do not 4,000 posts convey something as to what you believe and does what you believe represent what is in your heart? It is the same for all of us. You have judged my heart by the things I have said many times over and then you tell me only God can know your heart. Are you being balanced about that? Is there room for a just weight in your understanding?

 

[Abiding]

Think im starting to catch on, hes building a wall to keep the church away from him.....am i getting close?

 

[jonathanbchristian]

I think it's funny we are talking about prophets again. I believe you either do or do not believe in prophets today. It seems to be the subject alot in Christian Chat. Did Zone start this? LOL.

 

[zone]

Every false prophet teaches that there is peace with God, to those who despise Him. And to everyone who walks in the stubbornness of their own heart, they say that calamity will not come upon them. And that the Holy Spirit has ceased His ministry in the church. And that Jesus is the bible, and the bible is Jesus.

I don't have the job of prophet. I take in no money, I gain no support from anything I receive for and give to the church.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

so what on earth are you doing preaching damnation to His Church?
if you were the real deal you'd be out there facing what SAM faces in Nepal.

let somebody with a Kundalini spirit lay hands on you; tell you you're a prophet; pick up a few scary sounding terms; sound all prophetic and biblical....then throw it all over people who were once dead blind sinners that the Father dragged to Jesus for redemption.

just sickening.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

 

[VW]

so what on earth are you doing preaching damnation to His Church?
if you were the real deal you'd be out there facing what SAM faces in Nepal.

let somebody with a Kundalini spirit lay hands on you; tell you you're a prophet; pick up a few scary sounding terms; sound all prophetic and biblical....then throw it all over people who were once dead blind sinners that the Father dragged to Jesus for redemption.

just sickening.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

Damnation to the church? If she is guiltless, then she has nothing to worry about.

However, if she has despised the gift of the Holy Spirit, and if she is following deceiving spirits, then she has a lot to worry about.

But oddly enough, Jesus said of the church that He was ready to vomit her out of His mouth. Not my words, His.

So yes, in the latter days they will depart from sound teaching, and they will not hear sound doctrine, and they will gather to themselves teachers who tickle their ears.

One thing you can say about what I am writing, it don't tickle many ears. You know?

Repent, for the day of the Lord is at hand.

 

[VW]

I think it's funny we are talking about prophets again. I believe you either do or do not believe in prophets today. It seems to be the subject alot in Christian Chat. Did Zone start this? LOL.

No, actually I started a thread about walls, and rather than comment about the thread, Zone has again made the entire thread about how I am a false prophet.

It does get rather tiresome.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is near.

 

[zone]

I think it's funny we are talking about prophets again. I believe you either do or do not believe in prophets today. It seems to be the subject alot in Christian Chat. Did Zone start this? LOL.

hi jonathan.
no, someone who says he is a prophet started this.

now: if we believe that the prophets the Lord gave to the Church for the revealing and recording of the New Testament TESTIMONY of Jesus are for today (which you know that i do not), Paul said:

the prophets were subject to the prophets.

that one at a time were to speak, and the others were to determine the truth of what they said (there were false prophets in the Church even at that time).

so, as a prophet, do you say the OP VW is a genuine prophet?

remember, The Apostle Paul (who was also a prophet, but of a higher authority as an Apostle), told us what the rule is:

THE PROPHETS ARE SUBJECT TO THE PROPHETS (when they did not have AN APOSTLE in house - that is why Apostle Paul had to write the letter).

zone.

 

[zone]

No, actually I started a thread about walls, and rather than comment about the thread, Zone has again made the entire thread about how I am a false prophet.

It does get rather tiresome.

Repent, for the day of the Lord is near.

yes, it does.
and after me there will be someone else to stop you.
REPENT, VW.
The Day of The Lord is a lot nearer than you think (the day you take your last breath).

 

[Necto]

I will say this one thing to you and then lay it to rest. The Spirit of God leads us to follow Christ, to worship Christ, to love Christ with all our heart, to heed the words of Christ, to fellowship with Christ because Christ is our Saviour, who shed His blood, who paid and forgives us of our sins and to look for Christ who is coming back for those that He has redeemed by His blood. If we are truly led by the Spirit we will be occupied with Jesus Christ and no other.

If I follow the Spirit, then I can not contradict Christ! Whole Trinity is one. If you offend the fact that following the Spirit, we are not doing a word, then who knows how to fulfill the word? Who knows how to interpret the word? Only the Spirit knows the Scriptures, the more He fulfills it! If we trust the person to live according to the word, he will live the word by flesh! If the word is opened by the Spirit and executed by Him, then why criticize us? You criticize us for what you do not live like that! If we do not live as you, then we are not correct. Right? You afraid of being cheated, not having experience. How many of you live in the Spirit to identify this? We have to be like you, then everything will calm down.

 

[Necto]

yes, it does.
and after me there will be someone else to stop you.
REPENT, VW.
The Day of The Lord is a lot nearer than you think (the day you take your last breath).

You are real false prophet! You talk and accuse others without consulting God. You do not feel Him. He has not sent you, and you ran. Your strength is your mental arguments tailored to the awkward passages.You always explains just what you comfortable! All dead-end moments you get round. This suggests that you do not know how to explain things in Scripture and in life with God. You are very quirky woman and it is the flesh! You listen to a lot of false teachers who believe that it is necessary to teach a new way, and that we need to reform the church. Do you consider yourself sighted, but you're blind and stupid! Old and good way of God in contempt by people like you! But God has rejected your teaching and strong to reveal His trial over you when it will be pleasing to Him.

 

[AnandaHya]

necto do you know VW personally? do you consider yourself a prophet? Is that why you get so upset?

 

[Abiding]

Hey Necto...cool speech, glad you have zeal. Now prove some of it. Show fault in zones doctrine! Show where she said she was a prophet!
Who are her false teachers? What exactly do you mean by blind and stupid? give examples! What do you mean God has rejected her teaching?
Show proof of that.

If you cant answer these questions...than your simply throwing insults. If your "walking in the Spirit" than id expect a valid truthful answer.

 

[Abiding]

How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another
and seek not the honour that cometh from God only? John 5:44

 

[Necto]

necto do you know VW personally? do you consider yourself a prophet? Is that why you get so upset?

If I tell you from where, then you would not believe!

 

[Abiding]

I believe in familiar spirits...take your time necto..you need to back up your accusations
or else you are a slanderer