Was Jesus was Man or God while he walked the earth?

[homwardbound]

truthfully, what does it matter if Christ was 100% man or not on this earth? whether he was part man and part God and shown as God by the resurrection?
Nothing takes away what Christ did for us at the cross, it is what it is. It seems to me that emotions steal truth at least try to.
Does anyone get mad without Emotion? Go to a scary flick, know when you walk in there it is just a flick and is not real.
How long into the flick does anyone of react to it as if it is real, when it is only a movie?
In the case of Christ this is not a movie it is real, he went to the cross and died for himself or for you all? He rose again by Father doing this for Christ's sake or for you all's sake?
Hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what is reality over any emotions of desire that get in each and all of our ways? I think God knoweth, do you?

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus died 100% in total, as He was 100% in total flesh. Give me Biblical scripture proof that only a part of Jesus died.

on the cross he said to the thief today you will be with me in paradise, and after he gave up the Ghost, his body remained dead for three days for proof of the death so that
[h=3]Hebrews 9:15-17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus died 100% in total, as He was 100% in total flesh. Give me Biblical scripture proof that only a part of Jesus died.

and so today we are by this resurrection are to see us raised from death as well, to the new Spirit filled life in Christ
Romans 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Dead to sin is the same as dead to flesh since all sin has
[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[AmmiAmmiel]

truthfully, what does it matter if Christ was 100% man or not on this earth?

How absurd! If Christ was not 100% man then He could not atone 100% for mankind. Since we are 100% flesh, He MUST have been 100% flesh in order to atone for the entire man. To believe anything otherwise is known as docetism and is 100% HERESY.

 

[homwardbound]

Hello Mantrying,
This is a very interesting subject, and one that I am less familiar with. The Trinity is a hot discussion and can be a bit confusing. I did some research on this very topic that should give some understanding of Jesus being both man and God. I hope this helps.

Equally amazing to the doctrine of the Trinity is the doctrine of the Incarnation--that Jesus Christ is God and man, yet one person, forever. As J.I. Packer has said: "Here are two mysteries for the price of one--the plurality of persons within the unity of God, and the union of Godhead and manhood in the person of Jesus. ...Nothing in fiction is so fantastic as is this truth of the Incarnation," writes contemporary theologian J.I. Packer.[SUP]1[/SUP][SUP]The early church considered the Incarnation to be one of the most important truths of our faith. Because of this, they formulated what has come to be called the Chalcedonean Creed, a statement which sets forth very what we are to believe and what we are not to believe about the Incarnation. This creed was the fruit of a large council that took place from October 8 to November 1, 451, in the city of Chalcedon and "has been taken as the standard, orthodox definition of the biblical teaching on the person of Christ since that day by" all the major branches of Christianity.
[/SUP][SUP]2[/SUP][SUP] There are five main truths with which the creed of Chalcedon summarized the biblical teaching on the Incarnation.[/SUP]
[SUP]1. Jesus has two natures -- He is God and man.
2. Each nature is full and complete -- He is fully God and fully man.
3. Each nature remains distinct.
4. Christ is only one Person.
5. Things that are true of only one nature are nonetheless true of the Person of Christ.
[/SUP][SUP]　
[/SUP][SUP]Jesus is fully God
We saw earlier that each Person of the Trinity is fully God. The three Persons of the Trinity are not each one-third of God, but are each all of God. Thus, Jesus is fully God since He is God the Son incarnate. This means that everything that is essential to being God is true of Jesus. Jesus is not part of God, or one-third of God. Rather, He is fully God. "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form" (
[/SUP][SUP]Colossians 2:9[/SUP][SUP]).[/SUP]
[SUP]　
Jesus is fully man
It is also important to recognize that when we say that Jesus is man, we do not simply mean that He is partially man. We mean that He is fully human -- everything that belongs to the essence of true humanity is true of Him. He is just as truly human as the rest of us.

The fact that Jesus is truly and fully human is clear from the fact that He has a human body (
[/SUP][SUP]Luke 24:39[/SUP][SUP]), a human mind ([/SUP][SUP]Luke 2:52[/SUP][SUP]), and a human soul ([/SUP][SUP]Matthew 26:38[/SUP][SUP]). Jesus does not just look like a man, He does not just have some aspects of what is essential for true humanity but not others, but possess full humanity.[/SUP]
[SUP]References:
Desiring God (2006), How can Jesus be God and man; Retrieved June 29, 2013 from
[/SUP][SUP]http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/articles/how-can-jesus-be-god-and-man[/SUP]

How can Jesus be both? Second Adam hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and did not disobey as the first Adam had
I see this now thanks full God and full man without the sin nature that all man has had after the fall of Adam.
Born as well as a life giving Spirit, in order after the cross by the resurrection to give us this life that he was born with in The Spirit of God where we are redeemed and made alive by the resurrected Christ here and now Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thanks

 

[homwardbound]

Well the way I've typically heard it answered is that if he wasn't 100% God, then his death wouldn't have had the power to save us. However, if he wasn't 100% Man, then what he saved wouldn't have been us. As far as the why have you abandoned me, you should look more closely at the psalm he was quoting, Psalm 22, it ends in the fulfillment of God's word.

as 100% man he died fro us to take away death if we die with him there, and as 100% God he lives for us, if we will accept this resurrected live here and now for us
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks amdg

 

[homwardbound]

How absurd! If Christ was not 100% man then He could not atone 100% for mankind. Since we are 100% flesh, He MUST have been 100% flesh in order to atone for the entire man. To believe anything otherwise is known as docetism and is 100% HERESY.

Thank you for that insightfulness much appreciated, and therefore Satan can't claim Christ invalid as has tried to.
I see Christ at the throne of grace saying go ahead Howard and see my Father for I made you perfect in his sight by my death and gave you life by my resurrection, so go ahead.
And as I start the enemy appears with accusations, and Jesus's hand goes up and says you have been judged and kicked out, you can't go in, you who work iniquity still for your own gain, can't go in.
I am hoping still as God, all will prayerfully change their minds and be accepted in the beloved and I only see those that will have only what I say below in mind as God knows all motives, sees all motives, so therefore God will have Mercy on whom God will have Mercy
So I see God is only comforted by

"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."

 

[crossnote]

as 100% man he died fro us to take away death if we die with him there, and as 100% God he lives for us, if we will accept this resurrected live here and now for us
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks amdg

He died for us whether or not we die with Him. ..unless you hold that He died only for a few i.e. the 'elect'.

 

[GreenNnice]

Thank you for that insightfulness much appreciated, and therefore Satan can't claim Christ invalid as has tried to.
I see Christ at the throne of grace saying go ahead Howard and see my Father for I made you perfect in his sight by my death and gave you life by my resurrection, so go ahead.
And as I start the enemy appears with accusations, and Jesus's hand goes up and says you have been judged and kicked out, you can't go in, you who work iniquity still for your own gain, can't go in.
I am hoping still as God, all will prayerfully change their minds and be accepted in the beloved and I only see those that will have only what I say below in mind as God knows all motives, sees all motives, so therefore God will have Mercy on whom God will have Mercy
So I see God is only comforted by

"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."

God HAD mercy on ALL sinners, Peter tells us in his first epistle, 'the righteous (that's JESus dying via God's sacrfifice of Him! ) fpr the unrighteous (that's ALL of us, ALL humans, NOT just Christians only, but for ALL mankind, Christ DIED for us ),' as, while we (ALL of us, but, not JESus, who WAS 100% man, too) were yet sinners, Christ (100% God) died for us. I mixed 1 Peter with Romans, but, both speak the Truth

He died for us whether or not we die with Him. ..unless you hold that He died only for a few i.e. the 'elect'.

1 Peter 3:18 -- "For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. "


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And, to the highlighted post by homewardHis, God says, also by inspired words of apostle Peter, in his second epistle, "that NONE should perish," 1 Peter 3:9 .. God seems SLOW in coming back to get us again, by many's account, and, this WAS PETER's DAY's THINKING, too !!! But, no, God is NOT slow in coming back to take back His own, He is patience so that ALL can come to repentance, turning away from the world commitment to that of commitment--via believing from the heart-- Jesus Christ as Lord of their life.

 

[GreenNnice]

And, to the highlighted post by homewardHis, God says, also by inspired words of apostle Peter, in his second epistle, "that NONE should perish," 2 Peter 3:9 .. God seems SLOW in coming back to get us again, by many's account, and, this WAS PETER's DAY's THINKING, too !!! But, no, God is NOT slow in coming back to take back His own, He is patience so that ALL can come to repentance, turning away from the world commitment to that of commitment--via believing from the heart-- Jesus Christ as Lord of their life.


God says TWO things that speak of His greatest of all mercy for MANKIND, this is for ALL of those who have NOT yet come to Him.....

1. that none should perish.
2. that ALL should come to repentance.

That's a 'wow,' there is NO elect few that we KNOW of, it's a scary way, indeed, to follow, THINKING you are of the elect and OTHERS ARE NOT because they just don't believe like you. Be afraid of that kind of thinking, you 'fly.' Be VERY afraid, and, I pray, 'fly,'that God reveals His truth of His 'mercy' to us all, us-ward to us all

1 Peter 3 :
…7 " But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward (usward=toward us ), not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."


Us-ward, folks, us, 'ward to Him !! Homeward bound !!!

 

[homwardbound]

He died for us whether or not we die with Him. ..unless you hold that He died only for a few i.e. the 'elect'.

The Elect as I see it was and is the First Chosen, and we today are made part of the Elect by Faith never have been given the Law, Faith in Christ's death (our death) for all that believe, then the resurrection of Christ (our resurrection) after we finalize we are forgiven, then at least that is when I could see the new life here and now, and am as elated as can be

 

[homwardbound]

And, to the highlighted post by homewardHis, God says, also by inspired words of apostle Peter, in his second epistle, "that NONE should perish," 2 Peter 3:9 .. God seems SLOW in coming back to get us again, by many's account, and, this WAS PETER's DAY's THINKING, too !!! But, no, God is NOT slow in coming back to take back His own, He is patience so that ALL can come to repentance, turning away from the world commitment to that of commitment--via believing from the heart-- Jesus Christ as Lord of their life.


God says TWO things that speak of His greatest of all mercy for MANKIND, this is for ALL of those who have NOT yet come to Him.....

1. that none should perish.
2. that ALL should come to repentance.

That's a 'wow,' there is NO elect few that we KNOW of, it's a scary way, indeed, to follow, THINKING you are of the elect and OTHERS ARE NOT because they just don't believe like you. Be afraid of that kind of thinking, you 'fly.' Be VERY afraid, and, I pray, 'fly,'that God reveals His truth of His 'mercy' to us all, us-ward to us all

1 Peter 3 :
…7 " But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved to fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. 8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us-ward (usward=toward us ), not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."


Us-ward, folks, us, 'ward to Him !! Homeward bound !!!

I like that fly comparison, I remember being in fear of transformation, fear of what would become of me, not really in trust, believed and went out like Saul and tried to obey all the law and just couldn't do it, then I now can see that it was "I" that made a muck out of God's provision of new life through the cross not seeing the resurrection stuck in the death and trying to stop my sinful behavior and only got worse at it, I was transforming into the Fly.
So today I thank God for showing me the truth, that "I" needed to get our of the way and trust God to do in me what I could not do in myself
Thanks Greennice

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Jesus is noted in the Bible as the Son of God, and the son of man. He also said, I and my Father are one. To me, this is not hard to accept concerning the Trinity. I present a scripture:
John 14:9-11 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Just a question, why did Jesus Christ not say that He is the Father? If I say that Jesus lives in me, you will not accept that I am Jesus. This is exactly what Jesus said about God. How can Jesus talk and pray to His Father if He is the Father. Answer that question and prove to me that He is the Father because the text that you provided does not do that.

 

[Ndz]

He was both man n god.and that is y he was able to remain "completely 'pure n holy fulfilling his mission while walking this sinful earth .......he walked the entire time on earth without fail but still felt hungry and tired and some of the things that we felt on earth. But through it all maintained his godliness in paving the way for us.
God bless u

 

[homwardbound]

orthodox creeds and confessions support the position that Christ is fully God and fully man. I asked a priest and his explanation was that our Lord was 100% Man and 100% God while he walked the earth. I silently disagree. I will elaborate latter. Check the Nicene Creed for some clarification.

1) I support the idea that Jesus was half man from Mary. God is not compatible with sin. I think when our Lord was on the cross and he said "Father, why have abandoned me?" that very moment the sins of the world was poured upon him. The spirit of God had to leave because sin and God is not compatible.

2) I would like to believe that, the manhood of Jesus is what makes Christianity a better than any other. If I am to be judge, let it be from a God who walked as I did. He felt hunger, pain, anger,etc. Jesus was not just a teacher to me, he was the example THE example. (see baptism of Christ, dealing with temptations, ridicule and yes I wish he got married because that is a big piece of the human experience. I know its not biblical but such is my meager understanding. )

3) When he conquered death, his mortal body was perfected as a resurrected being and took his complete Godhood (The Word) back. To those who are enlightened explain what a resurrected body is suppose to be see below.

extra credit! lol
My priest called this question heretical, hope you guys have a better sense of humor. Thomas put his fingers through the hole Jesus' hands (substance). He ate fish with his disciples and walked through a wall (like a spirit). If he was a mere spirit, the fish he ate would remain on the other side. If he was with limited to substance then walking through a wall is not an option.
BEFORE you dismiss this as the rambling of a fool, an entire global christian religion revolves around this very question. There is even an implication related to the war in heaven and the destiny of man based on this. (I will not name the religion out of respect.) Personally, I think this is not important but a lot of Christians beg to differ. questions 1, 2 and 3 is more important to me.

came in the flesh born of the Virgin Mary as a life giving Spirit.
Now this life giving did not take place until the resurrection of Christ in the Spirit and proof was Ten days after he ascended and the day of Pentecost happened.
So born here on earth as fully flesh man, trusted in Father all the way to death in the flesh at the cross, the last sacrifice for any forgiveness from God to man, and the last shedding of blood.
He died as a man in flesh, who perfectly obeyed God in all he did and said, by God telling him what God wanted through the Holy Ghost.
Christ fulfilled the Mosaic Law that no one could perfectly obey or really understand. By this his death as a man fully he brought in a new covenant, or truthfully the one originally established with Abraham 430 years before Moses and the deliverance out of bondage from Egypt.

Now there are fights over this, but truthfully he came to earth fully man, killed as a man, and raised in the Spirit.
Now hoping you might see this:
His death in the flesh, our death!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
His resurrection our resurrection in the Spirit of God !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So his life is our life I the Spirit not flesh, even though we are held alive in flesh, by God not self
For today:

1. John 4:23
   But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
   John 4:22-24 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
   John 4:23-25 (in Context) John 4 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
   John 14:16-18 (in Context) John 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
   
   And this is what has always been by Faith as Abraham's, Noah's, King David, Job and many more as shown well in Hebrews 11
   
   So the choice today is to choose to be in God's will in the Spirit of God by the resurrected Christ or stay in Faith of self and this world
   For the battle is none other than flesh and Spirit of God
   John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
   John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
   Galatians 5:16 [ Walking in the Spirit ] I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.
   Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
   
   Just ask God what this means and trust God to show you so that you will be set free. For it is the truth that sets free, and only the truth. God has it all, so I think to trust God in all and see what God has done for you and all if we will believe God
   Colossians 1:22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—
   
   Do you believe God did do this for you before you were ever born, if you do new life is going to be shown to you from God if you believe God. This world assuredly does not, even though it says they do with all the different Denominations and non, or whatever ones. When there is only one true place of worship in Heaven
   Just read Hebrews 8 and see truth as truth really from God is
   
   1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.
   
   
   
   
   
   

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, Why is the surprise? It is evidence that you have not continued with the HOLY SPIRIT the Teacher of HIS inspired Holy Scriptures.
As it is written according to the Apostle's account, that JESUS was in the fullness and likeness of GOD. GOD the HOLY SPIRIT was fully in JESUS CHRIST of Nazareth to chose and to build the New Covenant. JESUS's ministry and Teachings fully acknowledge GOD and HIS Living Word for the people who were baptized and to excel and to be a witness to others.
JESUS grew in excellent, fully in the knowledge and wisdom of the Kingdom of GOD, quoted after the event when HE was twelve years old in the temple.
Can any one quote from the Holy Bible that JESUS and also the Apostle had normal life like us and living in the necessity and pleasure of this world like us?
Since our attention is divided, that is why JESUS and GOD is not fully in us, to manifest to fully help others? Since their attention were not divided but only towards one, for the Kingdom of GOD, as they have despised the other completely on the day of their baptizism that is to leave everything that is of this world, including their family and their little wealth in order to truly follow JESUS whole heartedly. Later GOD and CHRIST, as promised manifested in them to continue to complete the New Covenant for the church.
They pleased GOD in their continues faith in becoming the spirit man themselves in the Word of GOD in CHRIST to reach out to all mankind through out the whole earth.
JESUS was fully man but born of a living bodily spirit of the Kingdom of GOD because when HE was twelve years old being in the temple, HE amazed scribes and men in the wisdom of the Kingdom of GOD. HE is called the spirit man declaring the second Adam sent by GOD (1 Corinthians chapter 15)
But our GODly spirit is dead since Adam. Yes, we had some kind of a spirit but to the eyes of GOD, a dead spirit which is of this world, conformed to it's pattern, live to gratify only to the things of the flesh and satan. Our soul was corrupted to it because of our ignorant and destined to hell.
JESUS also have a body, soul and spirit but HE brought them all under HIS control in submission, in obedient to the Word and to the will of the Living GOD for the New Covenant and the New Jerusalem.
As it is written: "Those who do not confess JESUS CHRIST was truly human then they are anti-CHRIST."
May GOD the FATHER of our LORD JESUS CHRIST forgive you and bless you in bodily spirit and truth.
Please also to all, understand that the bodily spirit is spelled with a small 's' and the HOLY 'SPIRIT' is spelled with a capital 'S'. Thank you.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, you hypocrites who say it doesn't matter are not rooted in the Holy Scripture of the New Covenant in the Holy Bible (ignorant anti-CHRIST).
As it is written; "Teachers will be greatly judged (and please read on, how you would lead others, written in the epistle of James)........................"

 

[Trax]

Read Knowledge of the Holy, here's the link:
Knowledge Of The Holy

 

[Cino]

The Bible clearly states that Jesus was God in the flesh.

 

[homwardbound]

Just a question, why did Jesus Christ not say that He is the Father? If I say that Jesus lives in me, you will not accept that I am Jesus. This is exactly what Jesus said about God. How can Jesus talk and pray to His Father if He is the Father. Answer that question and prove to me that He is the Father because the text that you provided does not do that.

I think it this way they are married as one just as marriage here on earth the two become one.