WE ARE IN THE MIDST OF THE "REBELLION"/''FALLING AWAY" OF THE LAST DAYS

beastslayer1970 · Dec 12, 2017

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Say one word about who the beast really is and what he is not and all the dispensation crews show up. I am quite sure all of them also believe in some secret rapture/s that is/are going to take place.

How we can Claim Daniel, Ezekiel and Revelation all mean the same thing eludes me. This is not an invitation by dispys and rapturists [you know who you are] to reply or try to "school" me.

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 12, 2017

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Adstar said:

My statement about those who do not recognize that they are in the midst of the apostasy of the last days likely being in a state of apostasy was referring to Christians (not unsaved people, who cannot be apostate).

And yes, Christianity has been apostatizing almost from the beginning (even during the apostle Paul's lifetime, and the apostle John's). The reason Roman Catholicism was able to take root and flourish is because the true Church was already in a state of apostasy---just as the reason so many 'movements' and unscriptural doctrines and practices have taken root and flourished and continue to multiply and prosper in Christianity up to now is because of the apostasy of the Church, which has very little discernment...and divided hearts.

I wish that it were true that true Christians can't forsake the Lord, but the truth is that we have free will to choose to remain in Him or not, by our actions, after coming to be in Him. This may be considered heresy by some, but it's the truth.

No one can take us out of God's hand, but we have the choice to remain in Jesus or not.

The Laodicean Christians were about to be vomited OUT of Christ. (One has to be in Him first in order to be vomited out of Him.) Jesus said that the branches that did not abide in Him would be broken off and thrown into the fire, which He would not have said if we had no choice but to abide in Him. Paul wrote that if God did not spare the natural branches (the Jews) that He wouldn't spare us (Christians) either. And there are other scriptures that speak about this of course.

I'm not a teacher of doctrine, but I do know that this is true, and that most true Christians (awful and unbelievable as it may sound) will forfeit their salvation in the time of testing that we are about to enter, because most Christians are in a state of rebellion against God (not keeping His commands or doing His will; and they don't care and won't repent).

(The spirit of God's people at the present time is like the spirit of His people in the time of the prophet Jeremiah. That book could have been written for today.)

I don't believe Christians will take the mark because they are deceived into believing that the antichrist is God, as the unsaved will be, but because they will be scared, confused, angry, and desperate, when they aren't raptured before the tribulation as they expected to be---and because they have made a practice of justifying disobedience to the Lord when it suits them. So they will do again when they take the mark, telling themselves whatever they may to justify doing it (such as, "I can't forfeit my salvation"), as they have done with other things.

Unfortunately, self-loving, world-loving, habitually disobedient Christians will not suddenly become mighty, faithful, conquerors when they find themselves in the midst of the tribulation, with the choice of life or death before them. They will choose who they REALLY love: Themselves. And they will try to preserve their earthly lives because they are afraid to die, because they do not have a good conscience toward God, because they do not love Him.

(There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love. 1 John 4:18)

Christians who love Jesus are eagerly looking forward to leaving this world, and would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord, because they have a good conscience towards Him and because they (truly) live for Him.

For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain. (Philippians 1:21)

I hate to say that people who don't believe this or know it will find out when it happens, but they will. Those of us who love the Lord should be preparing for martyrdom right now, because we will most likely leave this world that way, although there will be some of us remaining to be raptured at the Lord's return on the last day.

God has to show His people the truth about these things; I can only declare it, and pray for them.

"If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God's wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever..."
Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
(Revelation 14:9-12)

Hizikyah · Dec 12, 2017

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beastslayer1970 said:

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 2:34-35, “You were looking on, until a stone was cut out without hands, and it smote the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces. Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing-floors. And the wind took them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that smote the image became a great mountain and filled all the earth.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 19:11-16, “And I saw the heaven opened, and there was a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Trustworthy and True, and in righteousness He judges and fights. And His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns, having a Name that had been written, which no one had perceived except Himself – and having been dressed in a robe dipped in blood (Isaiah 63:2) and His Name is called: The Word of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And the armies in the heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. And out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should smite the nations. And He shall shepherd them with a rod of iron. And He treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of the Almighty Strength. And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written: SOVEREIGN OF SOVEREIGNS AND MASTER OF MASTERS.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:13-14, “I was looking in the night visions and saw One like the Son of Enosh, coming with the clouds of the heavens! And He came to the Ancient of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. And to Him was given rulership and preciousness and a reign, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His rule is an everlasting rule which shall not pass away, and His reign that which shall not be destroyed.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, New Yerusalem (YHWH Shammah), coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Ezekiyl 48:35, "The distance around the city will be eighteen thousand measures; and the name of the city from that day will be: YHWH SHAMMAH (YHWH Is There)."[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:4-8 And YHWH will wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there will be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, nor will there be any more pain, for the former things have passed away. And He Who sat upon the throne, said: Behold, I make all things new. And He said to me: Write, for these words are true and faithful. And He said to me: It is done! I am Aleph and Tau, the Beginning and the End. I will give to him who thirsts of the fountain of the water of life freely. He who overcomes will inherit all things; and I will be his Father, and he will be My son. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and worshipers of false gods, and all liars, will have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”[/FONT]

eternally-gratefull · Dec 12, 2017

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If we are in the last days? (And I think it is a pretty good bet the birth pangs are getting stronger) the church needs to focus more on winning the lost,. Than warning the church. If the church needs warned, I think the church is in dire trouble and has taken their focus off the task they were given.. Which is to go into the world.

eternally-gratefull · Dec 12, 2017

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beastslayer1970 said:

If you can not see how revelation and daniel are the same, Maybe you need to study more.

in the meantime, instead of ATTACKING a group of people. Why can;t you just show biblically how they are not the same.

Ugly · Dec 12, 2017

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Why is it so many self proclaimed prophets are arrogant and angry and have a sense of... excitement at the idea of others facing God's wrath? They bounce from giddy thinking about people, especially 'false Christians', facing a horrible judgment to an anger born out of self righteousness when they aren't immediately accepted and listened to.
And, they tend to have this Gnostic flavored "I know things you don't because I'm special' vibe. I've yet to meet a humble "prophet" that reflects a broken hearted urgency to lovingly yet passionately warn people. It's always prideful and angry almost vengeful in their approach.
Then they wonder why no one takes them seriously.

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 12, 2017

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trofimus said:

God Himself validates those with that gift to those who recognize that that is what it is. If He doesn't confirm this to you, what does it matter what I say that I am?

(And why would I believe that I was a prophet because someone told me that I was? I wouldn't believe that I was a doctor just because someone told me I was one.)

Either what I have said is true or it isn't. You would do much better to find out whether or not it is than to take issue with me!

trofimus · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Saying general true things does not make anyone a prophet. Neither taking Biblical themes and saying it in different words.

But what you have added is:
a) strange teaching (like true Christians can loose their salvation)
b) proclamation that it is imminent (the mark of the beas is already here).

And in such things you must be (and are) tested and so far, it seems you know nothing relevant about it to tell us...
Saying that you are prophet (as you think) will not help you with that.

NotmebutHim · Dec 12, 2017

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Ugly said:

Abraham bargained with God to not destroy Sodom if ten righteous people could be found in the city.
Moses pleaded with God to not destroy the people after they had made the golden calf.
David grieved over the death of his son Absalom, despite the latter's efforts to overthrow his father.
Isaiah confessed that he was "a man of unclean lips among a people of unclean lips".
Jeremiah wept over his Israelite brothers and sisters because of God's coming judgment.
God told Ezekiel that He does not take pleasure in the death of the wicked, and that He would rather the wicked turn from his ways and live.
Jesus wept over Jerusalem.
Paul wept about "the enemies of the cross of Christ".

"Do not rejoice when your enemy falls,
And do not let your heart be glad when he stumbles;
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Lest the Lord see it, and it displease Him,
And He turn away His wrath from him.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Do not fret because of evildoers,
Nor be envious of the wicked;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For there will be no prospect for the evil man;
The lamp of the wicked will be put out."

-Proverbs 24:17-20

Hizikyah · Dec 12, 2017

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Ugly said:

IMO, I think this is where discernment comes into play rather than tradition or personal vibe/comfot/haste. What I mean by this is we know YHWH has shown humankind the end from the beginning, and has done so through His word that we retain today. If any prophet comes with something "new" or with something that "cancelles out" a prior prophet we can be assured they are false. So that would opnly leave re-confirmation and/or expanding on what YHWH has already shown. As to demener or motive it's hard to say over the net, also if we look at the prophets of old they were dispised as they called the people to repent and retun to Yah. Some were called "troubler of Israyl" some were flat out told "don;t prophecy to me, for every time you do it is something bad" etc. But if the people were not going astray there would be nothing bad to prophecy and the book of Revelation would not end with destruction of the worlds kingdoms etc. But it is worth saying none should o so with a vile pit, but in the same breath would not those being told to return to Yah take any rebuke as "rude" or somthing similar? As Yah has sent all the prphets to speak messages that were not easy on the ears did He not?

beastslayer1970 · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

I take issue with you because you are no Prophet, you are simply telling us what the Bible already says.

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 12, 2017

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Gracie_14 said:

I do not teach doctrine, and I do not believe in women teaching doctrine, so I have a fine line to walk in the ministering of my gift---in the elucidation of Scriptural prophecy without over-stepping my boundaries into "teaching" doctrine. I hope you understand.

Also, unfortunately, it has been my experience that providing Scripture is an invitation to quarrels about words with some Christians who have a proud and contentious spirit. ("Chapter and verse! Chapter and verse!" As if it would make a difference...)

The truth is, even if I provided a chapter and verse, rather than merely alluding to the Scriptures which speak about the things I share (and I imagine many Christians know the scriptures I allude to, or could find them if they desired), most Christians would still not receive the message.

So I don't do it to be vague, or because I don't know the Scriptures, but for those reasons.

God reveals mysteries in His Word when they are timely, just as He revealed the mystery of the salvation of the Gentiles to the apostle Paul when it was timely. The plan was right there in the old testament scriptures, which Paul quoted with the understanding God had given him of their meaning relevant to what He was doing at the time, a mystery which had previously been kept hidden by God until it was His will to make it known/explain it.

The truths I have shared are prophetic insights into things that are right there in the word of God. I did not invent them; these are not new truths, but perhaps "hidden in plain sight" to those whom God has not revealed them to.

I always encourage Christians to test what I share for themselves and to research it for themselves, so that God may confirm the truth about it to them, and that they will know it, rather than just taking my word for it. It's fine that I know that it's true, but they need to know that it is. And God has to show them that.

If God doesn't confirm the truth of what we hear and read to us, we will just be tossed to and fro by convincing arguments. (What if I changed my mind and renounced everything I have shared and said it was false? It would still be true, but you would need to know that for yourself, and not just because I said so.)

The truth is the truth, and binding, whether anyone knows it or believes it. There are many people who don't believe in God, for example (or so they claim), but He still exists, and what He declares is still binding on them, whether they believe it or not, as they will eventually find out.

Not believing in gravity isn't going to keep me from falling if I step over a cliff; and not believing or understanding what the prophetic scriptures declare is not going change their fulfillment.

dcontroversal · Dec 12, 2017

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notuptome said:

Yeah, I am confident that from the word "most" in the last point is all rigmarole........!! It also shows a complete lack of understanding when it comes to apo-hystemi......

Magenta · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Scriptures are not being questioned so much as is your claim to being a prophet.

By the way, welcome to CC! I hope you find your time with us edifying

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dcontroversal · Dec 12, 2017

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beastslayer1970 said:

Except for the fact that the bible does not say all that he implies......

NayborBear · Dec 12, 2017

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Ugly said:

I am NOT, sorry at ALL, the "prophet you are looking for", doesn't conform to your PARAMETERS, of what you would deem a Prophet, in YOUR eyes!

Is quite impossible to teach someone who knows it all! Acts-14: [SUP]22 [/SUP]Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

As you can read, it's no piece of cake!

You can "spin" a message, from some teacher. You can even kill the messenger, by spinning the way he/she writes.

Truth of the matter is?....No one BELIEVED Noah, either! Til, it started raining! And, probably not even until the rain reached their frigging necks!

You!....You people, walking around with yer heads in yer arse, FALSELY believing that the "Love which covers a MULTITUDE of sin", covers EVERY sin! Willingly ignorant! Teaching, by example, everyone who comes through the door of your churchianity "religion!"

Truth of the matter is?...I don't really CARE, if you believe what these people say, or not! But, ya should!

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 12, 2017

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7seasrekeyed said:

All I have been doing in what I have shared is corroborating what is right there in God's word and warning Christians to take heed because those things are being fulfilled and about to be fulfilled, as He has made known to me and to other Christians with the prophetic gift.

I am not declaring 'strange things', except to people who don't know that they are right there in God's word. God is revealing and re-emphasizing the meaning of the prophetic scriptures that pertain to the present time for the benefit of the saints, the same Scriptural prophecy He says we should be paying attention to (2 Peter 1:19-21). They are not new truths, just elucidated ones.

Contentious people say, "It isn't prophecy to tell us something that is right there in the Bible!" (But God does reveal the meaning of the prophetic scriptures to people with the gift of prophecy.)

And if I were to declare something new that isn't supported by the Scriptures (which I wouldn't), they would say, "It's not true because it's not in the Scriptures!"

(Go figure.)

7777pinacled · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

Our commission as members of the Body of The Holy one is to edify.

[FONT=&quot]And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]41 I receive not honour from men.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?[/FONT]

LightShinesInTheDarkness · Dec 12, 2017

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7seasrekeyed said:

If I did not say that I have the prophetic gift, and I declared the things I have declared with authority, you would say, "What are you, some kind of prophet?"

And if I said I was one, why should you believe me unless God confirms that to you because what I say is true?

(People who think that others think they are something often think that they themselves are something and project what is in their own heart onto others.)

Don't worry about whether I do or don't have the prophetic gift if it offends you so much; just find out whether what I said is true or not, and decide what you're going to do about it. What I said about other prophets adding onto what I said but not contradicting it would only be proud if what I said were my own notion and not the Scriptural truth.

7seasrekeyed · Dec 12, 2017

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LightShinesInTheDarkness said:

nice that you have calmed down. that anger thing was going to really give it all away

so you believe you are taking the place of the Holy Spirit?

you can only do that for people who prefer to hear from people

you do serve a purpose after all

it's gratifying though to see so many refute your false claims

encouraging even

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