we got the natural and the grafted...

[JaumeJ]

It looks as though you are going to be an expert on ethniticities one day.

One oddity, a nice one in so many ways, we are all descended from Noah. This is according to the Word, and I believe it.

It is only (I say only realizing its great importance) by faith we, many of us, become offsprings of Abraham. I added many of us because the world has mixed so very much since the time of our Lord brought us together that many are of mixed bloodlines to the point of having Jewish blood from several ancestoral sources unawares. This makes absolutely no difference regarding having the faith of Abraham, since all become praisers of Yah (Jews) once naming the name, Jesus or Yeshua in my case today.

A good example of the bloodlines mixing, this is an abbreviated descritpion, is here in Spain. What is Spanish blood? After the Iberians came the Goths and Visigoths, then the Moors, then the reconquest. With the Moors, 711 AD, came the Jews and it is said the gypsies. The reconquest began and Isabella and Ferdinad are credited with three importan events on the 2nd of January, 1492. Actually Isabella is given most of the credit. The conquest was declared complete; Columbus was commissioned to attempt discovering a new trade route to the East by circumventing the earth travelling West; Spain was declared Catholic heralding the beginning of the Inquisition in Spain.

With the latter, and in time, remaining Jews and Moors were given the option, yes, it was by force, to convert or be expelled from Spain.

If anyone were to do a brief study of the sur names of Spain and Spanish speaking countries, a large perentage of the names are of Jewish origen, Escobosa and Perez stand out right now, but there are hundreds. Look at the stained glass windows of any cathedral in Spain, and somewhere you will see a six pointed star formed on one of the windows or more. I am not saying it is the Star of David, but it is a duplicate, and most likely the Jewish influence. The Spanish language is full of Moorish, now considered Arabic, terms and words. Here is a good one, "Ojala que" is an expression translated today as "hopefully," but this actually means "Allah Willing." The Hebrew words in Spanish are peppered here and there, and as a matter of fact if you were to ever hear the Jewish dialect Sephardi spoken, you would think it was Spanish...

The above is just a skim over of the amount of mixing in one area of this old world. Can you imagine the rest of the countries? Actually, after knowing this much, I can. God bless all in Jesus..Yeshua, amen

I got another question, the bible I think separated three types of people. Jew, Samaritan, and Gentile. (I'm not talking spiritual but ethnicity) but if the Samaritan, who claim to be of Joseph, that were rejected by Jews for being a mixed and abandoned people, what does that make of "modern Jews" of today's time, since they are scattered abroad? Isn't that hypocrisy to say they aren't Israelites as much as they?

 

[JaumeJ]

Oops, ethnicity...........

 

[zone]

Romans 9:3-5 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:
Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises;
Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

All the above applies to Paul's kinsmen according to the flesh and not to one born into a christian family.

true.
he goes on to include the gentiles in salvation. contrasting the the Israelites "to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises" yet many who "pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law" because they "stumbled over the stumbling stone"' "they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes"

Romans 9
God’s Sovereign Choice
1I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— 2that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers,a my kinsmen according to the flesh. 4They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. 5To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.

6But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring. 9For this is what the promise said: “About this time next year I will return, and Sarah shall have a son.” 10And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, 11though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12she was told, “The older will serve the younger.” 13As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

14What shall we say then? Is there injustice on God’s part? By no means! 15For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” 16So then it depends not on human will or exertion,b but on God, who has mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I might show my power in you, and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” 18So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.

19You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

25As indeed he says in Hosea,

“Those who were not my people I will call ‘my people,’
and her who was not beloved I will call ‘beloved.’”
26 “And in the very place where it was said to them, ‘You are not my people,’
there they will be called ‘sons of the living God.’”

27And Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: “Though the number of the sons of Israelc be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant of them will be saved, 28for the Lord will carry out his sentence upon the earth fully and without delay.” 29And as Isaiah predicted,

“If the Lord of hosts had not left us offspring,
we would have been like Sodom
and become like Gomorrah.”

Israel’s Unbelief
30What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith; 31but that Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousness did not succeed in reaching that law. 32Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works. They have stumbled over the stumbling stone, 33as it is written,

“Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense;
and whoever believes in him will not be put to shame.”

Romans 10
1Brothers,a my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.


Romans 1:17
16For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."

 

[Bryancampbell]

It looks as though you are going to be an expert on ethniticities one day.

One oddity, a nice one in so many ways, we are all descended from Noah. This is according to the Word, and I believe it.

It is only (I say only realizing its great importance) by faith we, many of us, become offsprings of Abraham. I added many of us because the world has mixed so very much since the time of our Lord brought us together that many are of mixed bloodlines to the point of having Jewish blood from several ancestoral sources unawares. This makes absolutely no difference regarding having the faith of Abraham, since all become praisers of Yah (Jews) once naming the name, Jesus or Yeshua in my case today.

A good example of the bloodlines mixing, this is an abbreviated descritpion, is here in Spain. What is Spanish blood? After the Iberians came the Goths and Visigoths, then the Moors, then the reconquest. With the Moors, 711 AD, came the Jews and it is said the gypsies. The reconquest began and Isabella and Ferdinad are credited with three importan events on the 2nd of January, 1492. Actually Isabella is given most of the credit. The conquest was declared complete; Columbus was commissioned to attempt discovering a new trade route to the East by circumventing the earth travelling West; Spain was declared Catholic heralding the beginning of the Inquisition in Spain.

With the latter, and in time, remaining Jews and Moors were given the option, yes, it was by force, to convert or be expelled from Spain.

If anyone were to do a brief study of the sur names of Spain and Spanish speaking countries, a large perentage of the names are of Jewish origen, Escobosa and Perez stand out right now, but there are hundreds. Look at the stained glass windows of any cathedral in Spain, and somewhere you will see a six pointed star formed on one of the windows or more. I am not saying it is the Star of David, but it is a duplicate, and most likely the Jewish influence. The Spanish language is full of Moorish, now considered Arabic, terms and words. Here is a good one, "Ojala que" is an expression translated today as "hopefully," but this actually means "Allah Willing." The Hebrew words in Spanish are peppered here and there, and as a matter of fact if you were to ever hear the Jewish dialect Sephardi spoken, you would think it was Spanish...

The above is just a skim over of the amount of mixing in one area of this old world. Can you imagine the rest of the countries? Actually, after knowing this much, I can. God bless all in Jesus..Yeshua, amen

Wow that's something. Now to think about it, yea I'm starting to see that. I also wondered how perez and such because a Spanish name. Mixing is overtaking, eventually it will be another oddity of Noah, because of their sons children, or something. Maybe not. Lol.