We were tricked with fake holy days
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Hi disciplemike,
No problem. Apology accepted. There is a difference though, in what you perceive that the Lord is commanding, and what I perceive that the Lord is commanding. You read the verses from the Bible as a surface text to be followed by the reader just as the surface text reads. I believe the Bible is a surface text that must be understood in parable form, in other words with an interpreted meaning. Psalm 78:1-2 says that the law of God (the Bible) is a parable:"Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.I will open my mouth in a parable" . Mark 4:34 says, "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples." This means that the word of God is a parable that those who are without the kingdom do not understand, but Jesus expounds the hidden meaning to his disciples. The way Jesus goes on to explain that parables work is there is a surface story but it is really a story with a hidden spiritual meaning. "Thorns" in the Bible turns out to be talking about the cares of this life, the deceitfulness of riches and so forth, and not about real thorns. It is no different with the Zechariah 14:16 verse you mention. Yes believers should observe God's appointed times but what does 'observe' really mean? Does it mean to do the ritual? No, it means, for example in Zechariah 14:16 that those remnant true believers who are still in the Lord (left) after the congregations of the church age have been invaded by false gospels (Jerusalem here is a picture of the congregations of the church age just as a true Jew Jesus explained is not an outward thing but Gentiles can be called "Jews" if they are in Christ), these true believers will continue to worship the Lord. They will "keep" the Festival of Booths, meaning they will be saved by Christ and the associated symbolism of the Festival will apply to them spiritually. I see your way of interpreting things as being surface, carnal, and incorrect. Perhaps you will see what I am saying or perhaps we will simply disagree.
No problem. Apology accepted. There is a difference though, in what you perceive that the Lord is commanding, and what I perceive that the Lord is commanding. You read the verses from the Bible as a surface text to be followed by the reader just as the surface text reads. I believe the Bible is a surface text that must be understood in parable form, in other words with an interpreted meaning. Psalm 78:1-2 says that the law of God (the Bible) is a parable:"Give ear, O my people, to my law: incline your ears to the words of my mouth.I will open my mouth in a parable" . Mark 4:34 says, "But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were alone, he expounded all things to his disciples." This means that the word of God is a parable that those who are without the kingdom do not understand, but Jesus expounds the hidden meaning to his disciples. The way Jesus goes on to explain that parables work is there is a surface story but it is really a story with a hidden spiritual meaning. "Thorns" in the Bible turns out to be talking about the cares of this life, the deceitfulness of riches and so forth, and not about real thorns. It is no different with the Zechariah 14:16 verse you mention. Yes believers should observe God's appointed times but what does 'observe' really mean? Does it mean to do the ritual? No, it means, for example in Zechariah 14:16 that those remnant true believers who are still in the Lord (left) after the congregations of the church age have been invaded by false gospels (Jerusalem here is a picture of the congregations of the church age just as a true Jew Jesus explained is not an outward thing but Gentiles can be called "Jews" if they are in Christ), these true believers will continue to worship the Lord. They will "keep" the Festival of Booths, meaning they will be saved by Christ and the associated symbolism of the Festival will apply to them spiritually. I see your way of interpreting things as being surface, carnal, and incorrect. Perhaps you will see what I am saying or perhaps we will simply disagree.
P
I love studying the appointed times and festivals of the Lord. I have learned so much about Israel and the Jewish faith.
With that being said Christmas, Easter, ash Wednesday, good Friday etc are not holy days to me. Never have been.
The stories of why they are observed as such to some varies. But what I find in them is a opportunity to tell others about jesus.
Much like Paul did when he saw the tribute to the " unknown God" .
Now I could waste my time standing toe to toe on the why and how's these traditions of men came into existence, or during these times take advantage of a like mindness people express during these traditional made holidays. Which would be better planting a seed or digging a hole?
faultfinding was and is not one of Jesus's attributes, opportunity is what he searched for........just saying.
With that being said Christmas, Easter, ash Wednesday, good Friday etc are not holy days to me. Never have been.
The stories of why they are observed as such to some varies. But what I find in them is a opportunity to tell others about jesus.
Much like Paul did when he saw the tribute to the " unknown God" .
Now I could waste my time standing toe to toe on the why and how's these traditions of men came into existence, or during these times take advantage of a like mindness people express during these traditional made holidays. Which would be better planting a seed or digging a hole?
faultfinding was and is not one of Jesus's attributes, opportunity is what he searched for........just saying.
H
DM, you often bring up things that I myself have come to Believe to be true as well.. I told my friend these very things years ago.
No one truly of God back then would have participated in events not ordained by God bc they would have been following man's practice.
Disclaimer: I know folks often abandoned God's ways, that's why I said truly..
No one truly of God back then would have participated in events not ordained by God bc they would have been following man's practice.
Disclaimer: I know folks often abandoned God's ways, that's why I said truly..
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I thought as Christians we are to live as we see God leading us. Let one eat meat when the other thinks it's unclean, and let one celebrate a day as holy and another thinks it's just another day.......I am pretty sure that since God reads our hearts, and since He had enough grace to save me from my sins, then He would allow us to make mistakes, believing in what another person says "God's Word says this", when in fact we were wrong. Being right isn't exactly the same as being righteous in my book? But eh, that's just me, and you're free to believe as ya choose.
Those who are bound by the elemental things of Hebrew Roots doctrine don't like the liberty that we have in Christ and feel compelled to bring us into bondage with themselves. Sort of a misery loves company kind of thing.
Now [this was] because of the false brothers secretly brought in, who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, in order that they might enslave us, Galatians 2:4
as it is written:read:
Mga Gawa: 18. 1.
After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; 2. And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome
and came unto them. 3. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. 4. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. 5. And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ. 6. And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles. ... . and again
as it is written
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Josue: 5. 9. And the LORD said unto Joshua, This day have I rolled away the reproach of Egypt from off you. Wherefore the name of the place is called Gilgal unto this day. 10. And the children of Israel encamped in Gilgal, and kept the passover on the fourteenth day of the month at even in the plains of Jericho. 11. And they did eat of the old corn of the land on the morrow after the passover, unleavened cakes, and parched corn in the selfsame day. 12. And the manna ceased on the morrow after they had eaten of the old corn of the land; neither had the children of Israel manna any more; but they did eat of the fruit of the land of Canaan that year. 13. And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? 14. And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? 15. And the captain of the LORD's host said unto Joshua, Loose thy shoe from off thy foot; for the place whereon thou standest is holy. And Joshua did so.
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godbless us all always
