But it's fun for the kids. I grew up with Christmas and Easter. Looked forward to it. Got a motorcycle once. It's also a good way to teach a kid how to give of themselves. My boy made me a little zippered case this last Christmas. The spirit of it is the same no matter what the dates are and what you call it if you are a Christian.
We were tricked with fake holy days
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While mentioned several times times in the Torah, this passage is the only one which provides specific rules.
Leviticus 23:39-43
‘On exactly the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the crops of the land, you shall celebrate the feast of the Lord for seven days, with a rest on the first day and a rest on the eighth day. 40 Now on the first day you shall take for yourselves the foliage of beautiful trees, palm branches and boughs of leafy trees and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 You shall thus celebrate it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall live in booths for seven days; all the native-born in Israel shall live in booths, 43 so that your generations may know that I had the sons of Israel live in booths when I brought them out from the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’”
Leviticus 23:39-43
‘On exactly the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when you have gathered in the crops of the land, you shall celebrate the feast of the Lord for seven days, with a rest on the first day and a rest on the eighth day. 40 Now on the first day you shall take for yourselves the foliage of beautiful trees, palm branches and boughs of leafy trees and willows of the brook, and you shall rejoice before the Lord your God for seven days. 41 You shall thus celebrate it as a feast to the Lord for seven days in the year. It shall be a perpetual statute throughout your generations; you shall celebrate it in the seventh month. 42 You shall live in booths for seven days; all the native-born in Israel shall live in booths, 43 so that your generations may know that I had the sons of Israel live in booths when I brought them out from the land of Egypt. I am the Lord your God.’”
John 10:22: "And it was at Jerusalem the feast of the dedication, and it was winter"
The feast of dedication was a remembrance of the rededication of the temple after the desecration by Antiochus Epiphanes. This occurred during the intertestamental period. So the "feast of dedication" (Hanukkah) was not a feast mandated by God.
So did John miss this - was he "tricked" into recognizing the "feast of lights" and writing about it an inspired book?
Were Christmas and Easter mandated by God? No. But they (like Hanukkah) are a way to express our joy and love in the Lord and to rejoice together with friends and family in his birth and in his resurrection.
Each to his own here - See Romans 14:4-7: ing James Version (KJV)[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
The feast of dedication was a remembrance of the rededication of the temple after the desecration by Antiochus Epiphanes. This occurred during the intertestamental period. So the "feast of dedication" (Hanukkah) was not a feast mandated by God.
So did John miss this - was he "tricked" into recognizing the "feast of lights" and writing about it an inspired book?
Were Christmas and Easter mandated by God? No. But they (like Hanukkah) are a way to express our joy and love in the Lord and to rejoice together with friends and family in his birth and in his resurrection.
Each to his own here - See Romans 14:4-7: ing James Version (KJV)[SUP]4 [/SUP]Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.
thats why they call it christmust este what we meant is christmas come unto all especially with those
little children smiling and not crying alone and been butchered
as it is written
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Juan: 13. 33.
Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.
34. A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
... . and
as it is written
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Marcos: 10. 15. Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.
16. And he took them up in his arms, put his hands upon them, and blessed them.
17. And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?
18. And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.
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godbless us all always
The problem we are facing is to understand why people in the OT kept the Torah.
There is no scripture pointing us to salvation in keeping the Torah. We then have to ask ourselves what is Torah, law or God's characteristics? God tells us what He likes and dislikes. It is up to us to either accept it or argue over it like we do.
Regarding the feast days, God said it is everlasting. How you interpret everlasting is up to you...
There is no scripture pointing us to salvation in keeping the Torah. We then have to ask ourselves what is Torah, law or God's characteristics? God tells us what He likes and dislikes. It is up to us to either accept it or argue over it like we do.
Regarding the feast days, God said it is everlasting. How you interpret everlasting is up to you...
:hrmm: as they say
`` havent we learn that thing is bad , then why dont we make it better ``
... . as guns were made to defend the innocent
not to kill people who are innocence
~;> ITS JUST LIKE THE KNIFE THAT WE USED TO SLICE FRUITS
AND NOT TO BE USE IN CUTTING TROUTS ESTE WHAT WE MEANT THOSE
NECKS OF THE INNOCENCE
as it is written
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Marcos: 4. 14. The sower soweth the word.
15. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
16. And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17. And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
18. And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, 19. And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
20. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
21. And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick?
22. For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.
23. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
24. And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
25. For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
26. And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; 27. And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.
28. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.
29. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
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godbless us all always
`` havent we learn that thing is bad , then why dont we make it better ``
... . as guns were made to defend the innocent
not to kill people who are innocence
~;> ITS JUST LIKE THE KNIFE THAT WE USED TO SLICE FRUITS
AND NOT TO BE USE IN CUTTING TROUTS ESTE WHAT WE MEANT THOSE
NECKS OF THE INNOCENCE
as it is written:read:
Marcos: 4. 14. The sower soweth the word.
15. And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
16. And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
17. And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
18. And these are they which are sown among thorns; such as hear the word, 19. And the cares of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the lusts of other things entering in, choke the word, and it becometh unfruitful.
20. And these are they which are sown on good ground; such as hear the word, and receive it, and bring forth fruit, some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some an hundred.
21. And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick?
22. For there is nothing hid, which shall not be manifested; neither was any thing kept secret, but that it should come abroad.
23. If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
24. And he said unto them, Take heed what ye hear: with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you: and unto you that hear shall more be given.
25. For he that hath, to him shall be given: and he that hath not, from him shall be taken even that which he hath.
26. And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; 27. And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how.
28. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear.
29. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
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godbless us all always
and we are not even better than godfor god is good and doesnt lie
as it is written
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Kawikaan: 16. 8.
Better is a little with righteousness than great revenues without right.
9. A man's heart deviseth his way: but the LORD directeth his steps.
10. A divine sentence is in the lips of the king: his mouth transgresseth not in judgment.
11. A just weight and balance are the LORD's: all the weights of the bag are his work.
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godbless us all always
I mostly don't think its a good idea for Christians to get into the bad habit of thinking they are more righteous than others because they are closer to the "original jewish teachings".
But when it comes to the feasts I don't know how you could help but think of the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has already done for us when you are celebrating them.
Most Christians don't need a once a year feast to remember these things. But if it helps float your boat then by all means, proceed.
But when it comes to the feasts I don't know how you could help but think of the Lord Jesus Christ and what He has already done for us when you are celebrating them.
Most Christians don't need a once a year feast to remember these things. But if it helps float your boat then by all means, proceed.
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trickery? maybe in the op but scripture is plain on the topic and explains why believers are no longer expected to follow the festivals etc of the Israelite's pre the day of Pentecost
13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[SUP]d[/SUP] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
reading verses 13 through 15, we see that Christ has done away with what scripture, Paul here, is calling LEGAL indebtedness. In other words, there was a legal issue involved BEFORE Christ died, to which, we are no longer in debt. Simply put, we no longer owe anything. You can read more about the powers and authorities in Ephesians if you are interested in that.
THEREFORE, (v. 16) meaning BECAUSE OF what you just read in v.13-15, do NOT let ANYONE judge you by what you eat or drink (there goes that issue with pork etc and wine as in the 12% variety, not the Welch's) OR with regards to a RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL.
and this, is not from me, this is direct from Paul and it is IN the Bible
Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind
In other words, those who judge unwisely as per their own understanding, are not spiritual and they are puffed up with idle notions.
Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger
AS we are free from keeping festivals as given to the Israelites PRE the day of Pentecost, so also are we free to celebrate the birth of Christ...or not...and remember Him in His death and resurrection. As HE requested we do and that would mean far more than once a month or even once weekly at communion in church.
So you see, it is a waste of time to even argue or debate such things when scripture is so clear on the matter that a child could understand this. As a child, I did understand this. Nothing has changed
Do not let anyone judge you whether you eat pork or for that matter, choose to abstain. Do not let anyone judge you should you set up a booth on your roof for a festival that was never meant for Gentiles or if you do not and do not let anyone judge you if you celebrate the birth of Christ or you do not.
However, the angels certainly thought it was a wonderful event and could be found singing in the heavens and proclaiming the birth of God's Son.
It's up to you.
13When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[SUP]d[/SUP] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins, 14having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. 15And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.
16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. 19They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow.
reading verses 13 through 15, we see that Christ has done away with what scripture, Paul here, is calling LEGAL indebtedness. In other words, there was a legal issue involved BEFORE Christ died, to which, we are no longer in debt. Simply put, we no longer owe anything. You can read more about the powers and authorities in Ephesians if you are interested in that.
THEREFORE, (v. 16) meaning BECAUSE OF what you just read in v.13-15, do NOT let ANYONE judge you by what you eat or drink (there goes that issue with pork etc and wine as in the 12% variety, not the Welch's) OR with regards to a RELIGIOUS FESTIVAL.
and this, is not from me, this is direct from Paul and it is IN the Bible
Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind
In other words, those who judge unwisely as per their own understanding, are not spiritual and they are puffed up with idle notions.
Don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger
AS we are free from keeping festivals as given to the Israelites PRE the day of Pentecost, so also are we free to celebrate the birth of Christ...or not...and remember Him in His death and resurrection. As HE requested we do and that would mean far more than once a month or even once weekly at communion in church.
So you see, it is a waste of time to even argue or debate such things when scripture is so clear on the matter that a child could understand this. As a child, I did understand this. Nothing has changed
Do not let anyone judge you whether you eat pork or for that matter, choose to abstain. Do not let anyone judge you should you set up a booth on your roof for a festival that was never meant for Gentiles or if you do not and do not let anyone judge you if you celebrate the birth of Christ or you do not.
However, the angels certainly thought it was a wonderful event and could be found singing in the heavens and proclaiming the birth of God's Son.
It's up to you.
Maybe you do not need a Savior. Again we are under Grace, not the Law.
The Law was done away with when Jesus died on the Cross.
You are wasting your time if you try to keep the Law because if you break even one little part of the Law you are guilty of breaking ALL the Law.
Romans 2:17-24
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, [SUP]21 [/SUP]you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? [SUP]24 [/SUP]For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
The Law was done away with when Jesus died on the Cross.
You are wasting your time if you try to keep the Law because if you break even one little part of the Law you are guilty of breaking ALL the Law.
Romans 2:17-24
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if you bear the name “Jew” and rely upon the Law and boast in God, [SUP]18 [/SUP]and know His will and approve the things that are essential, being instructed out of the Law, [SUP]19 [/SUP]and are confident that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, [SUP]20 [/SUP]a corrector of the foolish, a teacher of the immature, having in the Law the embodiment of knowledge and of the truth, [SUP]21 [/SUP]you, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that one shall not steal, do you steal? [SUP]22 [/SUP]You who say that one should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? [SUP]23 [/SUP]You who boast in the Law, through your breaking the Law, do you dishonor God? [SUP]24 [/SUP]For “the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you,” just as it is written.
Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.18 For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.19 Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."