What a genius

[Ariel82]

ok, i'll take 30 minutes and watch it..

[youtube]o7pe3_VQbUM&feature=youtu.be[/youtube]

John Lennon's imagine song

"Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

You, you may say
I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one"

I think its interesting to show the different range of people and their beliefs. However it does make you think about how much a single conversation truly changes a person.

Makes me wonder how I would have answered his questions of "do you think your a good person?" and "if you died right now would you go to heaven?"

Perhaps its me but I don't really see the problem with the song.

Isn't the New Heaven and New Earth suppose to be like that?

where everyone worships God and there is no greed or need for possessions. people would live in peace and there would be no killing or dying because there would be no death.

 

[carolineh]

the only problem I see with the idea of imagining no Heaven or no hell is that this imagining is in opposition to the reality that there is a Heaven and a hell and you cannot avoid hell by disbelieving in it..it takes belief in the truth..the truth that Jesus is God and turning to Him in love and turning from and hating our sins enough to forsake our sins

 

[JaumeJ]

the only problem I see with the idea of imagining no Heaven or no hell is that this imagining is in opposition to the reality that there is a Heaven and a hell and you cannot avoid hell by disbelieving in it..it takes belief in the truth..the truth that Jesus is God and turning to Him in love and turning from and hating our sins enough to forsake our sins

Keep posting my sister. The Word is blessing so many in this room thanks first to Jesus, Yeshua, and then to such Body members as you are. Thank you for being here to share such good teachings.

 

[superdave5221]

check this out and tell me what you think
Genius - The Movie - YouTube

Hello,

I just viewed the movie at the link that you provided.

Several things jumped out at me during my viewing of the video.

1. The author's exhortation that Christians should examine themselves to see if they are really living according to a Christian worldview. My church shares communion every Sunday, and during this time, I often do this self examination. I realize the many failures in my life and ask for forgiveness and to make me worthy to come into the presence of God. Of course, I realize that it is only the spilt blood of Jesus Christ that makes this possible.

2. The dangers of a secular society that excludes God become apparent when one sees how easy people will steal and murder if they think that they can get away with it. John Adams once said (paraphrasing) that our laws and Constitution are totally inadequate for a society that does not fear God. Our laws attempt to legislate morality, but in fact, morality should be innate to our very souls. I believe that God imprinted his morality into our very DNA, but as we seek after worldly pleasures and place our desires and trust in them, the things of the world become idols that exclude God, resulting in a hardening of the heart which blinds us to that innate morality. The final result then is that a little yeast ends up corrupting an entire society and destroying it, and it's manmade laws.

3. John Lennon had everything that the world could provide. He had great wealth, fame, adulation, even, God forbid, worship. And yet there was an emptiness in his soul, because he had excluded God. He sought to fill that emptiness, even looking at Christianity as an answer. But John Lennon loved his idols more than he could ever love God.

4. People, especially in the western world, have learned to trust in themselves, in governments, and in science, to solve all problems, and to provide ever greater comforts and desires. Unfortunately, many Christian congregations are taught that, not only is it OK to seek after wealth and worldly treasures, but, if they are good, that God will even provide them. This is, of course, a lie. Most often, verses are quoted out of the O.T. in which God promises temporal blessings to the nation Israel (not the individual) if they obey Him. This is never promised under the New Covenant. We are promised spiritual blessings, not temporal ones. Instead, we are told that we may have to suffer, and even lose our life for Christ, but that we will be rewarded in heaven.

5. Finally, John Lennon's death reminds me that we may not have that much time to get the message out to some people. Many people do not realize that they need Jesus Christ, but instead think that if they are "good" in their own estimations, that it will be good enough. Of course, none of us are good enough.

The video did have an effect on my consciousness, and on my heart that I need to be working more diligently for God to spread His word to a lost generation. And I must always continue to self examine myself, not in light of what the world considers to be good, but what God considers to be good. What this means of course is that I am not good at all. Christ's spilt blood on that cross is what makes me good in God's sight. So the self examination is to remind myself that I must place my complete trust and confidence in Jesus Christ.

 

[Katy-follower]

I think what all true Christians have in common is that they believe that Jesus is God and they have turned to Him in love and turned from their sins, they hate and forsake their sins

Absolutely. We hate sin.

When I see people making excuses for living a sinful lifestyle I know they're not really saved. The Holy Spirit convicts us of our sins and we become new creatures in Christ. However, the lost continue in their sinful rebellious state because they've not yet had that conviction.

As an example, a gay person says they are christian but they refuse to let go of their homosexual lifestyle. God's word says it's an abomination. Once saved the person should know it's wrong and should want to obey God, if they're truly saved. If they are actively, perpetually, and unrepentantly living a homosexual lifestyle then they are not showing fruits of a person saved. A born again believer would hate these sins of the world.

 

[Newluke]

Ah yes, John Lennon, what can i say? I don't really care for him or the Beatles, so i'm sorry i can't really be bothered watching it. To my best recollection they were more into free love, visiting ashrams and smoking weed anyway. They wrote the proverbial anthem to the whole secularization that started in the 60's and inspired a whole generation of young people to turn away from God.

 

[carolineh]

Ah yes, John Lennon, what can i say? I don't really care for him or the Beatles, so i'm sorry i can't really be bothered watching it. To my best recollection they were more into free love, visiting ashrams and smoking weed anyway. They wrote the proverbial anthem to the whole secularization that started in the 60's and inspired a whole generation of young people to turn away from God.

I like what you have to say about the Beatles and if you HAD watched the movie you would realise it was not glorifying the Beatles at all..it was a way of using the popularity of the Beatles to draw peoples attention to their need for a Saviour..I hope your words do not put others off from watching this movie and realising their need for the Saviour Jesus

 

[Indubitably]

I watched this video and realized it's good for Christians to watch but this may a very effective tool to reach the unsaved, especially those who have music and hollywood idols. I'm placing a review and a link to this video on both my ministry websites. Keep letting people know, Carolineh!

 

[webchatter]

Love the movie & thread. I think the director of the movie said that John Lennon told people after he wrote "Imagine", that he became a born again Christian.So he relayed that Lennon may have been speaking of the Millenium when writing "Imagine".

 

[carolineh]

Love the movie & thread. I think the director of the movie said that John Lennon told people after he wrote "Imagine", that he became a born again Christian.So he relayed that Lennon may have been speaking of the Millenium when writing "Imagine".

His born again experience did not really last very long especially after it was tried and tested..I think we can rather safely assume that John Lennon was not saved at the point of death and that he is most likely suffering untold agonies of being separated from God's loving presence..I hope everyone who reads this thread will examine themselves to ensure that they really do believe the truth that Jesus is God and that they have turned to Him in love and turned from their sins, that they hate and forsake their sins..otherwise they are most likely under God's eternal judgement and condemnation..being famous like John Lennon does not save you from God's anger over sin

 

[JaumeJ]

His born again experience did not really last very long especially after it was tried and tested..I think we can rather safely assume that John Lennon was not saved at the point of death and that he is most likely suffering untold agonies of being separated from God's loving presence..I hope everyone who reads this thread will examine themselves to ensure that they really do believe the truth that Jesus is God and that they have turned to Him in love and turned from their sins, that they hate and forsake their sins..otherwise they are most likely under God's eternal judgement and condemnation..being famous like John Lennon does not save you from God's anger over sin

Do not be quick to predict his experience. Many fall, but the Lord revives them. Manasseh is a very good example of returning to the Lord after having gone to idols. I refer to the king, not to the tribe.

Pray for him and give him time (in your heart.)

 

[Cobus]

John Lennon said... They were more popular than Jesus, and the church did not like it? Does the church know Jesus said the same.... Of coarse John Lennon and the beatles will be more popular than Jesus in this world... Satan is as well. Anything that serves the fleah is more popular... Jesus SAID SO!

I would not be upset if John had said it to me, I would have asked him WHY he is more popular.... Sin is more popular than obedience to God.... John, you feed the fleshly lusts of the people, God does not! People LOVE to feed the flesh, and that is why you are more popular. Look how SICKLY obsessed the young women are with the BEETLES. What do you think they will do if Jesus was on the stage and told them to REPENT! Do you think they will still jump up and down in a frenzy?

Jesus said.... The WORLD loves their own (John 15:19), but they HATE GOD AND THE TRUTH! So MARVEL NOT IF THE WORLD HATES YOU TRUTH-MAN, for it hated Jesus FIRST!

I would HATE IT if the World loves me, or that I am more popular than Jesus!