What about things the Bible is just wrong about?

[Dude653]

This isn't even about all the moral and ethical atrocities that the OT God ordered to be committed, this is just about statements of fact that are just flat out wrong.

Whales being fish, the Earth being a flat disc, the moon emitting it's own light.

What do you do with that?

In case you havent noticed,, this is a christian websight.. you are NOT going to convince us to give up our faith in God or the Bible. I pray that God will touch your heart. But if want people to agree with your ideas you might want to find another websight

 

[xphineasx]

In case you havent noticed,, this is a christian websight.. you are NOT going to convince us to give up our faith in God or the Bible. I pray that God will touch your heart. But if want people to agree with your ideas you might want to find another websight

Are you so insecure in your faith that you can't openly discuss it?

 

[Dude653]

Are you so insecure in your faith that you can't openly discuss it?

My faith in Christ is not open for debate.

 

[xphineasx]

My faith in Christ is not open for debate.

And your faith in the infallibility of the Bible?

 

[EverlastingChange]

What is our purpose in life in your perspective "xphineasx" ?

 

[xphineasx]

What is our purpose in life in your perspective "xphineasx" ?

Well, I'm an existentialist, so I don't think that there is an inherent purpose for life. But I find purpose in trying to better the world for mankind. By learning about the world and spreading that knowledge I hope that in some way I can make a positive difference in the lives of others and decrease the amount of suffering in the world.

It's why I'm going to be a Teacher actually.

 

[jimmydiggs]

The Hebrews have no word for "ball"?

This is indicates that you either did not read my posts, or did not remember what had been said. If you refer to post #23 I responded with a tektonics artical.

I will repost part of it here for you.

Skeptics will assume from these verses a concept of a flat, circular, pancake-like earth. In each case, the Hebrew word here is exactly the same: chuwg. And here is where we alert the reader to another key word-concept that is missing in Hebrew: There was no varying word for a "sphere" - a three-dimensional circle. It is not that the Hebrews or anyone else lacked the concept of sphericity (for obviously, they could conceive of it plainly when, for example, they ate pomegranates for breakfast), but that they simply did not create a second word for it.
Some may cite in reply here the KJV version of Is. 22:18, "He will surely violently turn and toss thee like a ball into a large country: there shalt thou die, and there the chariots of thy glory shall be the shame of thy lord's house." The Hebrew word here, however, is duwr. This word no more inidicates sphericity than our other word, for it is used by Isaiah elsewhere thusly:

Is. 29:3 And I will camp against thee round about, and will lay siege against thee with a mount, and I will raise forts against thee.​

Obviously, the soldiers could not camp in the shape of a sphere around the city. Based on this and other usages, this word appears to be making a statement about a circular pattern rather than giving reference to a given shape.
Does the Bible teach that the Earth is flat? <--- click

 

[jimmydiggs]

Ask God? I don't believe in God.

I full-well know that.

God doesn't answer questions any more than Santa does answers why rich kids get good presents and poor kids dont.

As a self-proclaimed existentialist this is beginning to imply that you really don't know the difference between God and Santa. I will help with that though.

Sometimes atheists will ask why Christians believe in Jesus and not Santa Claus. Some atheists say you cannot prove Jesus existed anymore than you can prove Santa Claus exists. Of course, this is not accurate for several reasons.

First of all, Jesus is presented as an historical figure by reputable people in both secular and sacred historical writings. Santa Claus is simply presented as a fictional character.

Second, Jesus is presented as a real person who claimed to be divine and who performed miracles. These accounts are attested to by reputable witnesses and have been transmitted to us reliably; the New Testament documents are 99.5% textually pure. Santa Claus is intentionally, and knowingly, presented as a fictional character who lives at the North Pole.
Why do you believe in Jesus but not Santa Claus? | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click

There are more at the website.

Also, this might help too...

Mistakes atheists make when dialogueing with Christians
Condescension and insults

1. This is the most common of all mistakes made by atheists. They are often condescending as they mock Christianity. They insult God, call him a tyrant, refer to Christianity as mythology, baseless, a fairytale, compare God to invisible pink unicorns and Santa Clause, etc. Unfortunately, this is all too typical of atheists and if they want to be taken seriously at all, they need to stop being so rude and crude because they do nothing to further discussion.
2. Attacking the Christian God and accusing him of immorality is immensely problematic for atheists who have no objective standard of morality, yet are quick to judge. We see their inconsistency, even if they don't.

Mistakes atheists make when dialoguing with Christians. | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- click

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The thing about metaphors is that they have a PURPOSE.

I don't know why it would be there rather than not. Why would Christ use parables? Why would prophecy be full of symbollic speech? Why would proverbs and psalms be poetic? Asking the wrong person.

Writers use metaphors to make a point.

I suppose so, but couldn't a metaphor be used to make no points?

So if there's no symbolic meaning for the moon to emit light, it being a metaphor makes no sense.

Does the sun rise in the morning?

The moon does NOT emit light. So saying the moon emits light, especially when it serves no symbolic purpose, is wrong and fails as a metaphor.

Compare the definitions of emit and reflect.

Definition of EMIT
transitive verb
1a : to throw or give off or out (as light or heat) b : to send out : eject
2a : to issue with authority; especially : to put (as money) into circulation b obsolete : publish
3: to give utterance or voice to <emitted a groan
Definition of REFLECT
transitive verb
1archaic : to turn into or away from a course : deflect
2: to prevent passage of and cause to change direction <a mirror reflects light>
3: to bend or fold back
4: to give back or exhibit as an image, likeness, or outline : mirror <the clouds were reflected in the water>
5: to bring or cast as a result <his attitude reflects little credit on his judgment>
6: to make manifest or apparent : show <the painting reflects his artistic vision> <the pulse reflects the condition of the heart>
7: realize, consider
intransitive verb
1: to throw back light or sound
2a : to think quietly and calmly b : to express a thought or opinion resulting from reflection
3a : to tend to bring reproach or discredit <an investigation that reflects on all the members of the department> b : to bring about a specified appearance or characterization <an act which reflects well on her> c : to have a bearing or influence
See reflect defined for English-language learners »
See reflect defined for kids »

I'm not so sure there's a huge difference between the two terms.

 

[jimmydiggs]

We've been over this in another thread. Do we have to go through it again?

As long as you remain inconsistant I'm going to have to continue to point out such inconsistancy.

I can have a personal moral code, without thinking that morals are inherently woven into the fabric of the universe.

I have ocean front property for sale in the state of Kansas. $0.25 per acre.

 

[xphineasx]

I full-well know that.


As a self-proclaimed existentialist this is beginning to imply that you really don't know the difference between God and Santa. I will help with that though.


There are more at the website.

Also, this might help too...




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My point was that I have no motivation to "ask" advice from a figure I don't believe in.

I don't know why it would be there rather than not. Why would Christ use parables? Why would prophecy be full of symbollic speech? Why would proverbs and psalms be poetic? Asking the wrong person.

The Parables are there to illustrate points.

Maybe I'm just a silly English major, but I understand why something have symbolic speech. Incorrectly describing the Moon as a light source serves no symbolic purpose.

I suppose so, but couldn't a metaphor be used to make no points?[/qupte]
No. That's what metaphors do.

Does the sun rise in the morning?

"sun rise" is an old turn of phrase that has lived on in English. That doesn't explain why the Bible would describe the moon as a light source.

Compare the definitions of emit and reflect.



I'm not so sure there's a huge difference between the two terms.

Emit, among other subtle differences, does imply that the object emitting is the SOURCE of the light, while "reflect" doesnt.

 

[xphineasx]

As long as you remain inconsistant I'm going to have to continue to point out such inconsistancy.


I have ocean front property for sale in the state of Kansas. $0.25 per acre.

Regardless of whether or not you believe me when I tell you that I have a personal moral code, doesn't change the fact that I do.

 

[Izdaari]

Regardless of whether or not you believe me when I tell you that I have a personal moral code, doesn't change the fact that I do.

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Even if Jimmy doesn't believe you about that, I do. Having a moral code is a human universal, hardwired both in our genes and in our cultures, and that's also reflected in our philosophies, including of course existentialism and secular humanism. However, the ultimate source for that is God, whether you believe in Him or not.

 

[jimmydiggs]

My point was that I have no motivation to "ask" advice from a figure I don't believe in.

Certainly wasn't implied.

The Parables are there to illustrate points.

Correct. You get one internets.

Maybe I'm just a silly English major,

Agreed.

but I understand why something have symbolic speech. Incorrectly describing the Moon as a light source serves no symbolic purpose.

Where does the bible say, "The moon is a light source"?

"sun rise" is an old turn of phrase that has lived on in English. That doesn't explain why the Bible would describe the moon as a light source.

You're attempting to project 21st century language into ancient B.C. language.

Do you ever say, "sun rise" and "sun set"?

Emit, among other subtle differences, does imply that the object emitting is the SOURCE of the light, while "reflect" doesnt.

How so? According to webster it's almost identical in concept.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Regardless of whether or not you believe me when I tell you that I have a personal moral code, doesn't change the fact that I do.

How can you have that which doesn't exist? Are we now simply morals as being personal opinions?

The point of the ocean-front property was that I was attemptign to sell you something that I don't possess.

 

[Dude653]

How can you have that which doesn't exist? Are we now simply morals as being personal opinions?

The point of the ocean-front property was that I was attemptign to sell you something that I don't possess.

well, your only reason for being here is to sew discord, im gonna go ahead and put you in my iggy bin.

 

[WordGaurdian]

Hi there
You talk as if you can see the entire earth. Ok let's backtrack. First off we humans are pretty well mentally challenged when it comes as opposed to God. That is why He try to explain most things in stories...cause kids tends to understand You might even say that in our solar system we have give or take thirteen planets and some of them are dwarf planets and some of them bigger. How do you know it is not just one planet? Your viewpoint even though fair, is based on your or our small knowledge of three dimensions, as if God is limited to only three dimensions. To put it in layman's terms. If you take a tennisball and put it on a two dimensional world. Then the inhabitants of the two dimensional world would be shocked of the appearance of a circle...yeah not a sphere. A circle. So you based your entire argument on your worldview and say the Bible is faulty because you cannot percieve it the way God said it. As to you argument about the fish... well I guess you are right Jesus did call it a whale. He made it after all, so He probably knew what it was. Wheras Johan, well I'm sure he thought the creature looked fish-like and it was huge...

Any case I don't think anyone can totally say that they fully understand every one of their own dreams... let alone visions. Take Ezekiel, next thing you know you'll say God came in a flying saucer. Which might even be true, being God, He probably has a few. But a lot of people are going to argue for and against it.

You are good to ask questions: But rather start asking where Jesus asked us to start. Finding the Kingdom of God. Here is a few places you can start to look. Matthew 6. John 3. 1 John 5. All the best...

 

[jimmydiggs]

well, your only reason for being here is to sew discord, im gonna go ahead and put you in my iggy bin.

On what grounds do you make such a claim?

 

[AnandaHya]

How can you have that which doesn't exist? Are we now simply morals as being personal opinions?

The point of the ocean-front property was that I was attemptign to sell you something that I don't possess.

people need to make the distinction between God's righteousness and morality and Human survival instinct.

Socially if you don't have a certain set of "morals" and respect for authority, rules, boundaries the pack will exclude you and/or you will be killed. That is not God's morality. That is basic survival.

God tells us to go against our animalistic survival instincts:

Bless those who curse us, feed our enemies, help people who can never repay us, because we believe in a Heavenly Father who loves us and gives us all that we have freely. We freely receive and should freely give to others.

The world and the flesh tell people to horde, to only give to loved ones and trusted people in your group (who will help protect you and provide a safety net when needed another social survival adaptation by humans)

God tells us to move past that to His righteousness who sent His only Son to die on the Cross for our sins and be Resurrected to show that DEATH has no hold on God's chosen.

YouTube - God's love letter

 

[giantone]

I'm sorry to see that xphineasx is banned, she had such good questions, I also liked some of her answers even the ones I didn't agree with.

 

[Dude653]

On what grounds do you make such a claim?

He came to a CHRISTIAN web sight and posted messages trying to discredit our GOD. I will NOt tolerate this,, therfore,, hes goin in the iggy bin