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Its easy to read So you probably find reading these posts in modern English quite trying?

Probably the biggest objection to the KJV is that it's not easy to read.

Your "easy to read" comment, then, isn't a good way to gain credibility.
English isnt my native language and I and many others in a similar position understand it just fine. It aint that difficult, even according to the tests they've done its low level reading skill stuff.
 
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Im not KJVonly but in my opinion its the best bible out there in english, I like it the most and its the only bible I own in english language.

Its easy to read, you can see what words were added cause they are in italics, you can see the thee thy ye etc, which helps to make out if its singular or many people, since in regular english you could be multiple people or just one person.

So those among other reasons is why I think King James Bible is the king of english bible translations.

God bless!
But it wasn't translated for you. It was translated at the COMMAND of an English king, so that English-speaking people could understand it.

And, 1,000 to 1, English-speaking people are saying it is NOT easy to read.

How do you argue with that?
 
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I find most Bibles difficult to read. KJV is by far the worst, but I guess if a person is used to reading arcaic texts, then maybe that person would prefer the KJV Bible.
 
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I find most Bibles difficult to read. KJV is by far the worst, but I guess if a person is used to reading arcaic texts, then maybe that person would prefer the KJV Bible.
But it is not written in Arabic idiosyncrasies. Those oddly formed sentences and reversed meanings, and archaic terms are strictly an old Elizabethan rendering...... with peculiarities that existed only in that specific old form of English.
 
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But it is not written in Arabic idiosyncrasies. Those oddly formed sentences and reversed meanings, and archaic terms are strictly an old Elizabethan rendering...... with peculiarities that existed only in that specific old form of English.
Oh, I guess I misspelled "archaic" lol.
 

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English isnt my native language and I and many others in a similar position understand it just fine. It aint that difficult, even according to the tests they've done its low level reading skill stuff.
Of those who speak English first, about the only ones who would agree are the KJVO-ists, those who were allowed no other choices since birth, and the ones who came up with the questionable tests.

Why not speak in KJ English since it's so much easier?
 
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Oh, I guess I misspelled "archaic" lol.
Point was............ It was never written to be understood by anyone but the king's subjects in that time period. Just as today's revisals are written to be understood by people living in this time period.
 
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Of those who speak English first, about the only ones who would agree are the KJVO-ists, those who were allowed no other choices since birth, and the ones who came up with the questionable tests.

Why not speak in KJ English since it's so much easier?
If you gonna speak like a KJVO, you'll need to speak very slowly and clearly, like you were part of an old Elisabethan play. Lol.
 

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I find most Bibles difficult to read. KJV is by far the worst, but I guess if a person is used to reading arcaic texts, then maybe that person would prefer the KJV Bible.
People who make the asinine claim that the KJV is so easy to read ought to speak and write/type in that style.
 

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If you gonna speak like a KJVO, you'll need to speak very slowly and clearly, like you were part of an old Elisabethan play. Lol.
See how long it takes to bite their tongue...(by accident)
 
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Point was............ It was never written to be understood by anyone but the king's subjects in that time period. Just as today's revisals are written to be understood by people living in this time period.
I don't disagree, but there are people that prefer reading books the hard way. Some of them even like the KJV. As for non native English speakers, maybe their mothers tongue makes the KJV language easier to grasp?
 
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I don't disagree, but there are people that prefer reading books the hard way. Some of them even like the KJV. As for non native English speakers, maybe their mothers tongue makes the KJV language easier to grasp?
Know you're not addressing me, but I'm guessing it has something to do with sentence structure.
 
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Know you're not addressing me, but I'm guessing it has something to do with sentence structure.
Possibly. But I'm only guessing hence I'm not that familiar with, in this case, Finnish.
 
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I don't disagree, but there are people that prefer reading books the hard way. Some of them even like the KJV. As for non native English speakers, maybe their mothers tongue makes the KJV language easier to grasp?
I love Jane Austin. But I would never suggest Pride & Prejudice to someone as a good read to learn something, straightforward.

My wife speaks 7 languages, and I "attempt" 4.... and neither of us would ever suggest that any language translates easily into another. So, I kind of doubt the KJV would be easier for ESOL people... except that there are no "big words" in it.

I'd like to find some good reason for people to read only the KJV....... but I can't.
 

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I like John Gill's "Exposition of the entire Bible". Start with Genesis 1:1 and you get a phrase by phrase study of the entire Bible. For ease of reading, I prefer the ESV. I also recommend e-Sword (my-Sword for a tablet). The most important thing for you to do is begin your Bible study with a prayer for God's guidance as you read.
 
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I love Jane Austin. But I would never suggest Pride & Prejudice to someone as a good read to learn something, straightforward.

My wife speaks 7 languages, and I "attempt" 4.... and neither of us would ever suggest that any language translates easily into another. So, I kind of doubt the KJV would be easier for ESOL people... except that there are no "big words" in it.

I'd like to find some good reason for people to read only the KJV....... but I can't.
I guess some people find it being more, sort of, authentic, because it is written in an old fashioned style. Maybe that is part of the explanation? I don't know.

Another thing. KJV is not very easy to read, and some might find it easier to claim that the KJV "speaks clearly of this", knowing that their adversary will probably not look it up for herself to see.
 
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I guess some people find it being more, sort of, authentic, because it is written in an old fashioned style. Maybe that is part of the explanation? I don't know.

Another thing. KJV is not very easy to read, and some might find it easier to claim that the KJV "speaks clearly of this", knowing that their adversary will probably not look it up for herself to see.
The sad thing is that some people actually DO believe Thee's and Thou's are somehow Holy and Sanctified ways of speaking.
 
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I like NKJV, and the NASB. I think whichever one you read it can give you some reasonable understanding of God's heart for man, if you read it with the Holy Spirit.
 

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If you are going to get a print Bible, I would suggest getting a study Bible. Not one that is about theology, but about the background for the book, author, dates, maps, battles, comparisons of the disciples, etc etc. I have NASB, ESV and HCSB study Bibles. I am reading the HCSB again for the third time, and I am really liking it more and more. It has so much background and it also has some OT words in Hebrew and a bunch of NT words in Greek. I'm pretty advanced in my Greek, but I learned a lot. Also, I found HCSB too simplistic on my first read through. But, I realized what I was missing was the stiffness and formalism of Bibles like NASB and ESV, which pretend to translate word for word, like the KJV pretends. In fact, there is no such thing as a word for word translation. You cannot take something in one language and translate it into another language, ever.

So, why not read something that really works and flows in our tongue? Our vernacular doesn't consist of a bunch of flowery words in a language from 400 years ago. Nor, a modernized or updated version of the KJV.

As for paragraphs, the point is to have the verses in context. Really, there are very few single verses that should be memorized alone. Even John 3:16 needs 3:17 to make sense of the verses. When I was a chaplain, a man who lived there, who was diligently studying his Bible, pointed this out to me. Paragraphs are so important. In fact, so many wrong doctrines are formed from someone memorizing one verse and then making a doctrine out of it, which is hermeneutically wrong.

I object totally and absolutely to using the KJV. It is dated, archaic and uses obsolete words and grammar. The manuscripts it was translated from were very late, with loads of copyist errors. I speak 2 languages fluently, English and French. I also read Greek and some Hebrew Spanish and German. I cannot understand half the time what on earth the KJV is talking about. I need precision and accuracy and the KJV just doesn't give that.

I really cannot understand what the OP is talking about format. There are many formats within the same translation. The other thing, is if you are only familiar with one format, it will take you a while to adapt to a different one. But, the human brain is an amazing organ, and it will adapt, and in the end, you may find another format better.

Oh, another Bible I am waiting to get is the NET study Bible. Daniel Wallace did the commentary in the NT, and he is one of the best grammarians around. Unfortunately, I want the full commentary, and they are out of them. I sent an email to find out when the next edition was coming out, but received no answer. I wonder if they are editing the commentary again? Oh well, I can wait.