what do people think of Palestine - Israel conflict !!

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valiant

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Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

Thus symbolic interpretations would have to be ruled out. Because then ANYONE could make a prophesy and it appear to come true.
you have a perverted picture of prophecy. Most was not LITERALLY fulfilled. Isa 52.13-53.12 was an exception.

And you have a perverted view of how we use prophecy, We do not call it 'symbolic'. We ask what the prophet meant in the light of his times. That is how the NT uses it,

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you have a perverted picture of prophecy. Most was not LITERALLY fulfilled. Isa 52.13-53.12 was an exception.
You have perverted what prophesy is

All prophesy will be literally fulfilled. If not. Then it is not a prophesy of God. period. that is what that verse says,

Of course most has not been literally fulfilled. Much of it is still future, that is the mystery paul spoke of which was hidden from ages past.



And you have a perverted view of how we use prophecy, We do not call it 'symbolic'. We ask what the prophet meant in the light of his times. That is how the NT uses it,
Yeah, You continue what pagan rome did, If you can not find a literal interpretation. You interpret it in a symbolic, or allegorical way so it fits your belief system.

Your the one perverting prophesy my friend, You do not interpret it to fit your belief, You interpret it to make it come true literally as said.


if it happened as said, then it is fulfilled. If it has not yet happened as said, You do not allegory it, you understand it is still a future prophesy..
 

valiant

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Hebrews 10:4
For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.

Your argument is with the word of God.


read what I said. thats your problem, you never do, God DID say that they removed sins temporarily until Jesus came. Read it again without your blinkers on,


What was the high priest doing in the holy of Holies when our lord was hanging on a tree??
LOL he wasn't in the holy of holies. wrong again.

Quite frankly even thinking this is offensive, to think this was used by Israel and thre prieshood as a house of God.
where did Jesus have his Passover lamb sacrificed each year?

But Yes, Jesus called it a house of God,
It was the house of God,

and when it is rebuilt, and jesus returns, It will still be a house of God.. used the way it was intended, ot to sacrifice, but to praise and worship God.
LOL I knew you had in mind a third temple. It will never be the house of God. the house of God on earth is His living people, not a mythical building which well never be built. THAT is the blasphemy.

Yes, Antiochus put a pig in the temple. and the people had to watch it in their for years, It caused the maccabean revolt. Imagine what it will do when the antichrist puts it there.
Titus put an abomination in, in 70 AD.

70 AD? They destroyed the temple. no need to desecrate a temple that does not exist.
Actually Jesus was talking about the holy city, 'the abomination of desolation' (the desolating idolatry) standing where it ought not'. But the Temple was destroyed by accident after it had been desecrated

You do not know your history very well. Again, If I destroy a temple. I have no need of defiling the holy of holies, It takes away that effect..

LOL you don't KNOW your history at all, otherwise you would know the final destruction was an accident.

ps. No bible mentioned desecrating a city Only the inner room. (wing of the temple) The temple is not desecrated, th emost holy place is.. So destroying the whole temple defeats the purpose of making the sanctuary unclean.
the jews considered the whole holy city to be desecratable. and that is what Jesus said,

the whole was desecrated, holy city, temple environs and the sanctuary itself. THAT was what Jesus had in mind,

lol you write out the destruction of the temple which Jesus was SPECIFICALLY referring to (Mark 13.2-4)



 

valiant

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You have perverted what prophesy is

All prophesy will be literally fulfilled. If not. Then it is not a prophesy of God. period. that is what that verse says,

Of course most has not been literally fulfilled. Much of it is still future, that is the mystery paul spoke of which was hidden from ages past.




Yeah, You continue what pagan rome did, If you can not find a literal interpretation. You interpret it in a symbolic, or allegorical way so it fits your belief system.

Your the one perverting prophesy my friend, You do not interpret it to fit your belief, You interpret it to make it come true literally as said.


if it happened as said, then it is fulfilled. If it has not yet happened as said, You do not allegory it, you understand it is still a future prophesy..
Go on being blind. Ignore the New Testament.
 
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Go on being blind. Ignore the New Testament.
Go on being blind, Ignore the bible, the bible is more than the NT, And the NT does not over ruel the OT.. It is one word, thats why it is called a logos.

The NT must be interreted with the OT not seperate from it.
 
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15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. Hebrews 9

who was given the first covenant. (the jewish poeple and nation)etc

ot heads towards, new covenant. etc
 
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LOL the poor Jews with just that little bit of land, large chunks of US and much of uk's wealth. How do they survive?

But WE do not begrudge them it. We don't awaken false promises and we believe what God has REALLY said. :)

actually it was given to Israel. And they forfeited it !!

The Jews misbehaved and the Lord allowed them to be driven out. They had to go somewhere so they wound up in the United States the United Kingdom and have done well for themselves, according to you. Still, Palestine belongs to them. Why shouldn't they be allowed to build houses where no houses exist?

Once upon a time the Muslims ruled over much of eastern Europe. Was it wrong for Christians to reclaim it?
 
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The land belongs to Israel, the Palestinians will be driven from the land and decimated....Isaiah tells us exactly what will happen to PALESTINIA AND THE "PHILISTINES"..........A VAPOR OUT OF THE NORTH KILLS EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!
From a historical perspective, the children of Lot (Moab and Ammon), in time, were mixed and merged together with the descendants of Ishmael. These are the Arab people, including those who live in the Middle East today. This includes the people called "Palestinian" today. The word Palestine likely came from the ancient Greeks. They called the land of "Israel" "Palaistinē".

The "Philistines", had existed since before Abraham . Because of that ,and other historic facts, they are very likely not the descendants of Ishmael or modern Arabs. The "Philistines" were of the Aegean peoples (closely related to the Greeks), and it's likely that's where we got the name "Palestine".

(Ammonites)
"Sometime during the Roman period, the Ammonites seem to have been absorbed into Arab society."
Who were the Ammonites?

(Moabites)
"At a later date Moab was overrun by the Nabathean Arabs who ruled in Petra and extended their authority on the east side of Jordan even as far as Damascus (Josephus, Ant, XIII, xv, 1, 2). The Moabites lost their identity as a nation and were afterward confounded (*mixed in*) with the Arabs, as we see in the statement of Josephus (XIII, xiii, 5), where he says that Alexander (Janneus) overcame the Arabians, such as the Moabites and the Gileadites."
Topical Bible: Moabites

(Ishmaelites)
"it is from the Ishmaelites that the Arab nations descended."
Who were the Ishmaelites?

(Philistines)
"Though the definite origins of the word "Palestine" have been debated for years and are still not known for sure, the name is believed to be derived from the Egyptian and Hebrew word peleshet. Roughly translated to mean "rolling" or "migratory," the term was used to describe the inhabitants of the land to the northeast of Egypt - the Philistines. The Philistines were an Aegean people - more closely related to the Greeks and with no connection ethnically, linguisticly or historically with Arabia - who conquered in the 12th Century BCE the Mediterranean coastal plain that is now Israel and Gaza.

A derivitave of the name "Palestine" first appears in Greek literature in the 5th Century BCE when the historian Herodotus called the area "Palaistinē" (Greek - Παλαιστίνη). In the 2nd century CE, the Romans crushed the revolt of Shimon Bar Kokhba (132 CE), during which Jerusalem and Judea were regained and the area of Judea was renamed Palaestina in an attempt to minimize Jewish identification with the land of Israel."
Origin of "Palestine" | Jewish Virtual Library

" For unknown reasons, they migrated from that region to the Mediterranean coast near Gaza. Because of their maritime history, the Philistines are often associated with the “Sea Peoples.” The Bible records that the Philistines had contact with both Abraham and Isaac as early as 2000 B.C. (Genesis 21:32, 34; 26:1, 8)."
Who were the Philistines?

Aegean Civilization
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aegean_civilizations
 
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RobbyEarl

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Under David there was no Palestine, Palestine is not even a country or state it is just a group of people.
 

Marcelo

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I think that, technically, the palestinians are right. The jews were driven out of Israel in 70 AD and started returning in 1890. How can they claim ownership of the land 1820 years later? If Palestine belongs to the jews then all the Americas belong to the american indians, who were stripped of their lands only a bit more than 500 years ago.
 

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I think that, technically, the palestinians are right. The jews were driven out of Israel in 70 AD and started returning in 1890. How can they claim ownership of the land 1820 years later? If Palestine belongs to the jews then all the Americas belong to the american indians, who were stripped of their lands only a bit more than 500 years ago.
If God is for you, who can be against you?
 
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The truth is ... The Palestinians don't want peace, they want to annihilate Israel.