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I have not read anything in the Bible about dinosaurs. What is the general consensus here? Should a Christian ignore the scientists, or are the scientists wrong, or are dinosaur bones man made hoaxes?
 
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What difference does dinosaurs or no dinosaurs have to do with the truth of God? Our bible is not a textbook on zoology.
 
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dinosaurs were land animals so God made them on the sixth day of creation week...

also many scholars believe that the 'behemoth' mentioned in job was some kind of dinosaur...possibly an apatosaurus type dinosaur...
 
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I am confused because the time of creation seems much later than the time that dinosaurs lived, according to scientists.
 
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I have not read anything in the Bible about dinosaurs. What is the general consensus here? Should a Christian ignore the scientists, or are the scientists wrong, or are dinosaur bones man made hoaxes?
Genesis 6:4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Job 40
“Look at Behemoth,
which I made along with you
and which feeds on grass like an ox.
16 What strength it has in its loins,
what power in the muscles of its belly!
17 Its tail sways like a cedar;
the sinews of its thighs are close-knit.
18 Its bones are tubes of bronze,
its limbs like rods of iron.
19 It ranks first among the works of God,
yet its Maker can approach it with his sword.
20 The hills bring it their produce,
and all the wild animals play nearby.
21 Under the lotus plants it lies,
hidden among the reeds in the marsh.
22 The lotuses conceal it in their shadow;
the poplars by the stream surround it.
23 A raging river does not alarm it;
it is secure, though the Jordan should surge against its mouth.
24 Can anyone capture it by the eyes,
or trap it and pierce its nose?


“Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook
or tie down its tongue with a rope?
2 Can you put a cord through its nose
or pierce its jaw with a hook?
3 Will it keep begging you for mercy?
Will it speak to you with gentle words?
4 Will it make an agreement with you
for you to take it as your slave for life?
5 Can you make a pet of it like a bird
or put it on a leash for the young women in your house?
6 Will traders barter for it?
Will they divide it up among the merchants?
7 Can you fill its hide with harpoons
or its head with fishing spears?
8 If you lay a hand on it,
you will remember the struggle and never do it again!
9 Any hope of subduing it is false;
the mere sight of it is overpowering.
10 No one is fierce enough to rouse it.
Who then is able to stand against me?
11 Who has a claim against me that I must pay?
Everything under heaven belongs to me.

12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs,
its strength and its graceful form.
13 Who can strip off its outer coat?
Who can penetrate its double coat of armor?
14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth,
ringed about with fearsome teeth?
15 Its back has rows of shields
tightly sealed together;
16 each is so close to the next
that no air can pass between.
17 They are joined fast to one another;
they cling together and cannot be parted.
18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light;
its eyes are like the rays of dawn.
19 Flames stream from its mouth;
sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke pours from its nostrils
as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.
21 Its breath sets coals ablaze,
and flames dart from its mouth.
22 Strength resides in its neck;
dismay goes before it.
23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined;
they are firm and immovable.
24 Its chest is hard as rock,
hard as a lower millstone.
25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified;
they retreat before its thrashing.
26 The sword that reaches it has no effect,
nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.
27 Iron it treats like straw
and bronze like rotten wood.
28 Arrows do not make it flee;
slingstones are like chaff to it.
29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw;
it laughs at the rattling of the lance.
30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds,
leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.
31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron
and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.
32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it;
one would think the deep had white hair.
33 Nothing on earth is its equal—
a creature without fear.


Numbers 13:33

And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deuteronomy 2:20
(That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;






 
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Creationism says modern day scientists are wrong about some things. Take the Grand Canyon for example. Proof of a world wide flood. All the layers show the water levels as it dissipated and all the canyons where the water ran off/through.

Dinosaurs, maybe they were created along with the rest of the animals. Maybe after the worldwide flood, since the climate changed, they simply could not survive it. Everything will be revealed in the end.

Genesis 7:17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished--birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark. 24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.

Maybe many of them were not taken on the ark. Think of it this way. They wanted two of every KIND of animal. So two cats, and from those cats would come all other species of cats. So you don't need to take lions, and leopards, and cheetahs, etc.. Just two cats.

Genesis 6:20
Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive.


A lot of dinosaurs were essentially lizards, right? LOL Idk. But it's a thought. Maybe, they took the kinds of reptiles that would morph into those same dinosaurs over the years, but the types that existed before needed a different climate, thus, never appeared again.

But idk :)


 
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I see Amber, so are scientists making up this stuff or what and what is carbon dating?
 
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I have no idea, not looking for a debate, but the Bible doesn't mention giraffes specifically either. We still know God made them :)
 
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I see Amber, so are scientists making up this stuff or what and what is carbon dating?
 
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Sorry, not looking for debate either. Just confused. I don't know what to do.
 
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leonardronaldo

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last year i used to watch videos from drdino. great insights from him on me, maybe you will get too
 
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AmberGardner

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Proverbs 25:27 It is not good to eat too much honey, nor is it honorable to search out matters that are too deep.



That's my stance.
 
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I don't want to go to Hell, but It's so hard for me to believe in the Bible. How do I make myself believe?
 
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leonardronaldo

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Proverbs 25:27 It is not good to eat too much honey, nor is it honorable to search out matters that are too deep.



That's my stance.
wonder which translation do you use? just asking lol
27 It is not good to eat much honey; so also for men to search after their own glory is not glory.
 
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leonardronaldo

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I don't want to go to Hell, but It's so hard for me to believe in the Bible. How do I make myself believe?
planksh, that's self preservation. you should believe in God, because you want God really.
may i know why it's hard to believe in the Bible?
 
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There are just so many stories that seem made up. Noah's Arc, parting the red sea, walking on water. How can I believe all these things happened?
 
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do you think if all your doubts are proven, you will believe?
do you believe in God anyway?
 
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First, you need to tune into God and listen to Him. He is not interested in convincing us about dinosaurs. God wasn't even interested in giving you a blow by blow and time by time account of His method of creating you and the earth, and you wouldn't understand it anyway. If you read Genesis, chapter one, and ask God to explain exactly how he managed creation you will find it just doesn't do that, isn't meant to do that. All you are really going to get is God did it.

God wants you to think of time as you know it in increments of seven days. God sees time differently, and it is pretty hard for our human minds to even conceive of that for God's time is eternal time. For God, things just are instead of happening one by one as we see it. And if that is hard for you to conceive of, just think how hard it would be for God to give you manufacturing instructions of earth and human building.

I have heard of one theory of dinosaurs that I've been told won't really hold water, but here is a theory. We know the atmosphere of the earth was different before the flood. Everything was in a mist, and the oxygen content of the air was different. Also, people lived much longer. Perhaps animals did, too, and grew to great size.

Taking parts of this theory into today, hospitals have units called hyperbaric oxygen therapy. They put such as burn victims in special tanks, regulate the oxygen and it creates a miracle of healing and enabling plants to grow.

The point is that God gives us information based on our need to know. You need to know God created you.

It was thousands of years after the bible recorded history of people before the type of thinking developed that you are doing, in fact it started about 800 years before Christ. That is when language started having words for emotions without including the doing those emotions produce. That was when people started asking why, where, when instead of, is that so, well how can I use that fact.

I hope I have convinced you to not tie your quest for dinosaur knowledge with God knowledge.
 
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I see Amber, so are scientists making up this stuff or what and what is carbon dating?
Carbon dating is comparing something from there understanding, like if they believe that the elements that they had found during this time that they've compared it with other resources, believing it was during this time period. Just like an eight track tape and which we know that it time period was around the late sixties and late seventies and if I had found it laying next to a skeleton remains of an human, so what make that person death around the sixties and the seventies; but which science use to measure carbon dating by fossil lawyer. But if they don't believe in the flood, then their theories will not be according to scriptures but it would be made from their own imaginations of how old it was. One thing that I do know that when water evaporates, it leave a settlement of sand and which the Sahara desert is full of. So science need a starting point to measure or carbon dating something and which their starting point isn't written in stone.

 
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I see Amber, so are scientists making up this stuff or what and what is carbon dating?
Carbon dating has limitations. You have to take God at His word for He cannot lie.