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Do His sheep follow Him in order to become His sheep/become saved or BECAUSE they are His sheep/are saved? We become His sheep by believing in Him John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26 (cause). His sheep hear His voice, He knows them, they follow Him (effect). Are you suggesting that we should put the cart before the horse and reverse cause and effect?
Position in the Kingdom of God may not be based on physical lineage, but obedience to God:
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land:...Ex.12:48
And it shall come to pass,*that*ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. Eze.47:22
The tribes of Israel will consist of both Jew and gentile and obedience seems to play a part in which lot each person will be cast.
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:...Rev.3:12
And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land:...Ex.12:48
And it shall come to pass,*that*ye shall divide it by lot for an inheritance unto you, and to the strangers that sojourn among you, which shall beget children among you: and they shall be unto you as born in the country among the children of Israel; they shall have inheritance with you among the tribes of Israel. Eze.47:22
The tribes of Israel will consist of both Jew and gentile and obedience seems to play a part in which lot each person will be cast.
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out:...Rev.3:12
Do believers do what the Lord tells them to do out of love for Him BECAUSE they are saved or in order to become saved? Are we saved through believing in Him (John 3:15,16,18; 5:24; 6:40,47; 11:25,26) or by accomplishing a lifetime of doing the things which the Lord says to do? Many people set out to do the latter without the former. So which is cause and which is effect? What is the root of salvation and what is the fruit? Are we saved by good works or FOR good works?
God's word makes perfect sense to me. Your interpretation of it doesn't
That's what Jews believe and it isn't true:
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham,*are theyall children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Ro.9:7
God doesn't choose for a reason unknown to us. God chooses people of faith:
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal.3:7
The Bible says some people who have never heard the gospel can be saved:
Have to finish later.
That's what Jews believe and it isn't true:
Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham,*are theyall children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Ro.9:7
God doesn't choose for a reason unknown to us. God chooses people of faith:
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. Gal.3:7
The Bible says some people who have never heard the gospel can be saved:
Have to finish later.
"Save yourselves from this untoward generation." Acts 2:40; "in doing this thou shalt both save thyself" 1 Tim 4:16; "work out your own salvation" Phil 2:12; "Seeing ye have purified your souls" 1 Pet 1:22; "let us cleanse ourselvesfrom all filthiness of the flesh and spirit" 2 Cor 7:1; "Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts" James 4:8.
Verses as the ones listed above clearly show man has a role in his own salvation.
Salvation is based on obeying what God said so man's role is in obeying and those men that obey are in that sense saving themselves. hey are not saving themselves by themselves but are saving themselves by taking advantage of what Christ did on the cross for them. Christ died for every man (Heb 2:9) but every man will not be saved for every man will not "save himself" by doing what Christ said to do, Lk 6:46.
God has an elect, the GROUP CHRISTIAN and those that obey the gospel then are added to that elect group by God.
Verses as the ones listed above clearly show man has a role in his own salvation.
Salvation is based on obeying what God said so man's role is in obeying and those men that obey are in that sense saving themselves. hey are not saving themselves by themselves but are saving themselves by taking advantage of what Christ did on the cross for them. Christ died for every man (Heb 2:9) but every man will not be saved for every man will not "save himself" by doing what Christ said to do, Lk 6:46.
God has an elect, the GROUP CHRISTIAN and those that obey the gospel then are added to that elect group by God.
No doubt...and John as well...even Jesus must have been confused as well.....like I said...when you have a person who follows Campbell instead of Christ....I guess we should expect someone who trusts into their own abilities and their cultic immersion and traditions of men......It is rather simplistic for sure......Going to be a lot of people who got wet and worked their way straight to the proverbial lake-o-fire for sure as a gospel of a different kind has no ability to save as it has been tainted by lies and heresy for sure.
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We are saved by the blood of Christ we are being sanctified by the work of the Holy Spirit in our lives. We still have a creature responsibility to obey the moral laws of God and the commandments given to us by Jesus. We are not saved by our works or sanctified by our works. Our works come about by us wanting to obey God.
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By us saying we can save ourselves by our works removes the words of Jesus when He said "It is finished". When Jesus said those words did He mean it's finished but you still have to work to be saved? I think not! He said "It is finished" because he paid the FULL price for our sins. Our works do not "wash" over us...the blood of Christ washes over us.
Funny how you will quote a little statement to prove your heretical stance.....
NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE......
IT IS THE GIFT of GOD...NOT OF WORKS
BELIEVE AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED
IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH AND BELIEVE WITH THINE HEART
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT PERSHING BUT IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
Good luck with your Campbellite doctrine in the day of your judgment and Jesus says...I NEVER KNEW YOU as YOU CLAIM ALL THE WONDERFUL works that YOU HAVE done while claiming your right to enter the Kingdom!
NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE......
IT IS THE GIFT of GOD...NOT OF WORKS
BELIEVE AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED
IF YOU CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH AND BELIEVE WITH THINE HEART
WHOSOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM IS NOT PERSHING BUT IS HAVING EVERLASTING LIFE
Good luck with your Campbellite doctrine in the day of your judgment and Jesus says...I NEVER KNEW YOU as YOU CLAIM ALL THE WONDERFUL works that YOU HAVE done while claiming your right to enter the Kingdom!