What if you were aborted?
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Apologies D but this time around...
You are "wrong" naturally I know where you get your information "Revelation" and other scriptures but remember a "murderer" even a "willful murderer" can "still accept salvation" if they "ask for forgiveness and are sincerely sorry for their sin and "repent" as best they can and even "water baptism" can "remove that past sin" and it "no longer be remembered by God/Jesus" so there is still "time" for hypothetical mother in this story "to repent" and "be saved" before her judgement/death,and so in this way it is "true" that no murderer enters heaven for remember "what the Lord has cleansed that shalt thou not call common or unclean".
You are "wrong" naturally I know where you get your information "Revelation" and other scriptures but remember a "murderer" even a "willful murderer" can "still accept salvation" if they "ask for forgiveness and are sincerely sorry for their sin and "repent" as best they can and even "water baptism" can "remove that past sin" and it "no longer be remembered by God/Jesus" so there is still "time" for hypothetical mother in this story "to repent" and "be saved" before her judgement/death,and so in this way it is "true" that no murderer enters heaven for remember "what the Lord has cleansed that shalt thou not call common or unclean".
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When I attended a church about 10 years after I was saved, a man started a prison ministry and I decided to try it out. I found out that man had been a murderer, served his time, and got saved, not necessarily in that order.
He believed God has totally forgiven him, although he said forgiving himself was the hardest thing to do. He also knew God could save those people he had left behind in prison, and was very dedicated in going into prisons with people like me, to witness about Jesus.
Prison ministry didn't work out for me, because I was allergic to cigarette smoking, but I know a lot of people got saved through his ministry. How ridiculous to think that a murderer is beyond the reach of God.
A good friend of mine didn't know she was pregnant, and then got a bunch of toxic vaccines to go overseas. She was not a Christian at the time, listened to her doctors, and aborted the unborn baby. We will never know if it was damaged or not, till we get to heaven.
My friend actually had a breakdown over it, and then another mutual friend led her to the Lord. The woman who had the abortion got into counselling with pro-life agencies, both with pregnant women, and those who were having break downs, because they realized what they had done.
Abortion is evil, I have no argument with you there. But, God can forgive a woman who has had an abortion, no matter what the reason. So, perhaps stop being so judgmental about something, when you know nothing about what those women are going through, or why. And the ridiculous ideas that God can't and won't save those women, and that they won't be reunited with those babies, one day, if they are saved.
He believed God has totally forgiven him, although he said forgiving himself was the hardest thing to do. He also knew God could save those people he had left behind in prison, and was very dedicated in going into prisons with people like me, to witness about Jesus.
Prison ministry didn't work out for me, because I was allergic to cigarette smoking, but I know a lot of people got saved through his ministry. How ridiculous to think that a murderer is beyond the reach of God.
A good friend of mine didn't know she was pregnant, and then got a bunch of toxic vaccines to go overseas. She was not a Christian at the time, listened to her doctors, and aborted the unborn baby. We will never know if it was damaged or not, till we get to heaven.
My friend actually had a breakdown over it, and then another mutual friend led her to the Lord. The woman who had the abortion got into counselling with pro-life agencies, both with pregnant women, and those who were having break downs, because they realized what they had done.
Abortion is evil, I have no argument with you there. But, God can forgive a woman who has had an abortion, no matter what the reason. So, perhaps stop being so judgmental about something, when you know nothing about what those women are going through, or why. And the ridiculous ideas that God can't and won't save those women, and that they won't be reunited with those babies, one day, if they are saved.
Some of you misunderstood Dcon's post. I believe he was saying "no believer with the HS would commit a murder, inc abortion"
The OP did not mention the woman's spiritual condition upon death, just that she committed murder and enters Heaven. Dcon ran with this. He was saying that the unrighteous (unsaved) shall not enter the Kingdom (1 Cor 6:9-11).
No true believer with the HS dwelling in them would commit murder. "Such were some of you" (used to be murderers, thieves, etc) before you were saved.
I don't believe Dcon is saying that the sin of murder cannot be forgiven. In other threads he agrees that the only unforgivable sin is dying without Jesus.
The OP did not mention the woman's spiritual condition upon death, just that she committed murder and enters Heaven. Dcon ran with this. He was saying that the unrighteous (unsaved) shall not enter the Kingdom (1 Cor 6:9-11).
No true believer with the HS dwelling in them would commit murder. "Such were some of you" (used to be murderers, thieves, etc) before you were saved.
I don't believe Dcon is saying that the sin of murder cannot be forgiven. In other threads he agrees that the only unforgivable sin is dying without Jesus.
No outlier, it is not a waste of time. People want to know. Hang on, I am going to take you on a little ride. The first thing: Nobody is in heaven yet: John 3:13: "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." They are asleep, folks.
Acts 2:29: "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Heb. 11:40: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
The second thing: Nobody is going to heaven: Heaven (the Kingdom of) is coming to earth. Rev. 5:10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Rev. 20:6: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
After the 1000 years: Rev 20:5,7,8: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." Then comes the Great White Throne Judgement: in which those aborted babies will be dealt with.
Acts 2:29: "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day."
Heb. 11:40: "God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect."
The second thing: Nobody is going to heaven: Heaven (the Kingdom of) is coming to earth. Rev. 5:10: "And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." Rev. 20:6: "Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."
After the 1000 years: Rev 20:5,7,8: "But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea." Then comes the Great White Throne Judgement: in which those aborted babies will be dealt with.
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Not my point.....obviously murderers can be forgiven....Saul "Paul", David etc......Point being...the law had punishments afforded to those whose actions resulted in the loss of a baby in the womb....both accidental, purposful and it covered even animals.......regardless of saved or lost we will all.answer for every thing done both good and bad...the difference being the saved are not condemned!
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