What if you were aborted?

[Tinkerbell725]

Not my point.....obviously murderers can be forgiven....Saul "Paul", David etc......Point being...the law had punishments afforded to those whose actions resulted in the loss of a baby in the womb....both accidental, purposful and it covered even animals.......regardless of saved or lost we will all.answer for every thing done both good and bad...the difference being the saved are not condemned!

An eye for an eye.

When David murdered Uriah, God forgave him when he repented but God still took his son.
I know a couple who aborted their first child because they were not ready. When they had their third child, the child got sick when she was around two years old and died. I thought it was sad but justice has been served.

 

[Angela53510]

Go read post 38 then apologize for assuming, judging, and mouthing me over something I neither said nor implied.....serious........! I am sick to death of people reading in crap I have not said nor implied!

Well, since several of us read it the same way, perhaps you need to write more clearly! I was surprised that you said it, really.

 

[G00WZ]

And aborted fetuses' souls go straight to heaven. And 50 years later your mother went to heaven, what would you say to her?

Not sure what i would say, in heaven i would be living in a completely different mindset with no grudges being held..
If anything i would be excited that she made it home.. And for all we know the sins of the past may be completely removed from our memories.

 

[Katy-follower]

I have two siblings in Heaven that I never got to meet. One was a still born and the other an abortion. When my mother was young she was coerced, by her boyfriend's parents, into having an abortion. Her own parents were very strict. A priest would knock on their door if she ever missed confession! So she couldn't tell them, and felt like she had no choice and nowhere to go. It's still murder though, so doesn't make it right.

She struggled to forgive herself for a while, and once she got saved she grieved even more. She knew God had forgiven her, but she held onto it, struggling to forgive herself. Then one day she was walking along a beach with my grandmother when she noticed something moving in the water. When she took a closer look she noticed it was a baby!! The baby was turning blue and would've drowned if God had not put her there at that exact moment. It was through this experience that she realized.... although she had taken a life, she had also saved a life!! God gave her that


(As for the boyfriend, years after the abortion he got run over by a bus and lost both his legs. You don't wish that upon a person, but makes you wonder if it was related to what happened?)

 

[Katy-follower]

I listened to the testimony of a woman who had 4 abortions prior to becoming a christian. After she got saved she met her husband and tried to start a family with him but was told she could no longer have children. She was devastated, but decided to adopt 4 children in place of the 4 she had aborted... all of them rescued from bad homes too.

 

[joefizz]

Some of you misunderstood Dcon's post. I believe he was saying "no believer with the HS would commit a murder, inc abortion"

The OP did not mention the woman's spiritual condition upon death, just that she committed murder and enters Heaven. Dcon ran with this. He was saying that the unrighteous (unsaved) shall not enter the Kingdom (1 Cor 6:9-11).

No true believer with the HS dwelling in them would commit murder. "Such were some of you" (used to be murderers, thieves, etc) before you were saved.

I don't believe Dcon is saying that the sin of murder cannot be forgiven. In other threads he agrees that the only unforgivable sin is dying without Jesus.

I already knew that but still I like others took his post "as a whole" not "in portion".

 

[joefizz]

No murderer hath eternal life dwelling in them.....the babies will testify against the mothers who aborted them as well as all who are guilty by association!

Well, since several of us read it the same way, perhaps you need to write more clearly! I was surprised that you said it, really.

Yes,miscommunication can happen I quoted his post above and it could've use less,or more or simply more "direction" because I of course am not "ragging on dcontroversal" I just had to "make due with what he posted" and "consider the Op story line".
For example if he had simply left it at his first part of his post then I would have agreed but since he did not I retorted,or say if he were explaining the "contradiction"of a "presumed willful murderer" who is not saved" entering heaven then I would have agreed with his point but well like I said to me it was "rather vague" what he was saying,and anyways I know he can "handle"...."constructive criticism" so I didn't "hold back".

 

[MarcR]

And aborted fetuses' souls go straight to heaven. And 50 years later your mother went to heaven, what would you say to her?

IMO the best way to speculate is to dip a paintbrush in paint, shake it at a wall, and study the specules.

It takes very little time and accomplishes as much as any other approach.

 

[MattG]

I listened to the testimony of a woman who had 4 abortions prior to becoming a christian. After she got saved she met her husband and tried to start a family with him but was told she could no longer have children. She was devastated, but decided to adopt 4 children in place of the 4 she had aborted... all of them rescued from bad homes too.

Wow, what a testimony of what happens when you reap to the flesh in such a way... Had to go about having children a different way. How devastating yet, what a change of heart, because of Jesus Christ.

 

[joefizz]

Go read post 38 then apologize for assuming, judging, and mouthing me over something I neither said nor implied.....serious........! I am sick to death of people reading in crap I have not said nor implied!

A valid point,glad you cleared things up on what message you were getting across.(didn't see this until now just got home from work)

 

[joefizz]

Well I didn't answer the Op,ok my turn let's see if I was aborted before being born and met my mother in heaven 50 years later I would probably say...Hi.

 

[Johnny_B]

And aborted fetuses' souls go straight to heaven. And 50 years later your mother went to heaven, what would you say to her?

You would not be able to say anything, first of all you would of never known who she was and if you did, here's what the Bible says about the new heavens and new earth.

Isaiah 65:17 “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth, and the former things shall not be remembered or come into mind.”

We will not reember anything from this life, because we cannot remember nor shall it come to mind.

 

[joefizz]

Well I didn't answer the Op,ok my turn let's see if I was aborted before being born and met my mother in heaven 50 years later I would probably say...Hi.

Or perhaps...nothing at all since being aborted I probably wouldn't know speech since there isn't evidence to support that an aborted fetus/baby actually "ages" or "learns speech" in heaven.

 

[stillness]

And aborted fetuses' souls go straight to heaven. And 50 years later your mother went to heaven, what would you say to her?

Thanks be to God it did not make you or me an unbeliever as I did not practically believe I existed but even if we don't believe he remains Faithful." Faithful One so unchanging, I cry out to You, again and again.

 

[stillness]

Not my point.....obviously murderers can be forgiven....Saul "Paul", David etc......Point being...the law had punishments afforded to those whose actions resulted in the loss of a baby in the womb....both accidental, purposful and it covered even animals.......regardless of saved or lost we will all.answer for every thing done both good and bad...the difference being the saved are not condemned!

Thought this was big of you coming from a not by works point of view, though I had second thoughts replying since I also would be miss-understood: I also don't believe in myself (my work is no longer mine) doesn't mean there is no longer work but that it's Grace. We all agree that we are not saved in our understanding, and if you don't understand how that is relevant, our understanding is our accomplishment: our work, it will pass away. "But those who Love the Lord will remain. M' and some are not accountable, not having been born...

 

[Waggles]

And aborted fetuses' souls go straight to heaven. And 50 years later your mother went to heaven, what would you say to her?

Where is that in the Bible?

 

[MattG]

Where is that in the Bible?

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I want to say we all get it from this passage here, but maybe I have always used it out of context, but this why I believe those who die in the womb go to God.

Ecc 4: 3 And better than both of them is he who hath not yet been, in that he hath not seen the evil work that hath been done under the sun.

Ecc 4: 3 But better than both is the one who has never been born, who has not seen the evil that is done under the sun.

 

[kaylagrl]

If I ask it, it's not a waste of time.

​Actually it depends on your reason for asking the question...

 

[dcontroversal]

Well, since several of us read it the same way, perhaps you need to write more clearly! I was surprised that you said it, really.

Do we need to write a 10 page booklet everytime to explain something....I made a pointed statement, said nothing of salvation, not being able to be forgiven of murder and YOU ALL HAVE known me for 4 plus years, have seen much of what I have written and know better than that....one persistent problem...people will not own up to something they do or say....please do not push your lack of discernment off on me.....what I said was clear, concise and without any implication at all concerning what you and maybe one or two other peiple assumed out of the xx amount of people.who read it...

 

[Dem]

Gee a split second of pain and my next waking moment is before the throne of God. Not a bad deal.