What Image do you have of Jesus?

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posthuman

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Interesting, but I don't think the ROMAN soldiers EVER represented the Law.
good point :)

So Judas, having procured a band of soldiers and some officers from the chief priests and the Pharisees,
went there with lanterns and torches and weapons.

(John 18:3)

the crowd that came to arrest Jesus in the garden were servants of the high priest, not of Rome -- though it might be that the soldiers were Roman, they were under the authority of officers from the chief priests.
He was taken by them to the Sanhedrin first, where they tried him under Moses' law. because under Roman occupation they did not have the authority to execute the sentence they imposed, they handed Him over to Pilate after this :)


in iconography, soldiers represent law & authority - in the painting here their armor is typical of 17th century Europe, not 1st century Israel or Rome. this could be a darker satirical comment by the artist, or a choice made to allow the artist's contemporary viewers to more easily relate to the scene.
 

posthuman

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in this sort of art, from this period, everything in the scene is usually a deliberate, thought-out choice for symbolic meaning, even the color of the clothing all the figures wears, royal blue & red for Christ, black armor for the soldiers, earthy browns & green for the other men. IMHO the soldiers in contemporary armor was to symbolize a point rather than to produce familiarity in the viewer, but that's debatable.

 
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And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying,
“This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

Luke 22:19


 
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didymos

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And he took bread, and when he had given thanks he broke it and gave it to them, saying,
“This is my body which is given for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”

Luke 22:19


HA! So that just an IMAGE of Christ and not His actual flesh? You heretic! :p
 
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HA! So that just an IMAGE of Christ and not His actual flesh? You heretic! :p
didymos, you understand that that's a picture, don't you? It's an image on the internet posted on a forum. Think, my challenged friend. THINK!

I ate Christ's flesh and drank his blood at Mass this morning.
 
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The_highwayman

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Isaiah 53.2 does not give us the picture of a Fabio type Jesus.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.

This gives us the clear picture that he was not even average, but very ugly and not very appealing.

Think quasimodo here folks, and you might be on the right track of what Jesus looked like.

It would also fit the profile for all the miracles he did and possibly another reason why the Pretty Pharisees's despised him so much. Think baout a comely, ugly, man goign around heeling people and loving them as Jesus did....

No folks Jesus was not what we see in pics, Jesus was the people the church ignores today....
 
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didymos

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didymos, you understand that that's a picture, don't you? It's an image on the internet posted on a forum. Think, my challenged friend. THINK!

I ate Christ's flesh and drank his blood at Mass this morning.

That wasn't Christ's flesh and blood, funny man, think THINK!
 
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That wasn't Christ's flesh and blood, funny man, think THINK!
What Did the First Christians Say?

Ignatius of Antioch, who had been a disciple of the apostle John and who wrote a letter to the Smyrnaeans about A.D. 110, said, referring to "those who hold heterodox opinions," that "they abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in his goodness, raised up again" (6:2, 7:1).


Forty years later, Justin Martyr, wrote, "Not as common bread or common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nourished, . . . is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66:1–20).


Origen, in a homily written about A.D. 244, attested to belief in the Real Presence. "I wish to admonish you with examples from your religion. You are accustomed to take part in the divine mysteries, so you know how, when you have received the Body of the Lord, you reverently exercise every care lest a particle of it fall and lest anything of the consecrated gift perish. You account yourselves guilty, and rightly do you so believe, if any of it be lost through negligence" (Homilies on Exodus 13:3).


Cyril of Jerusalem, in a catechetical lecture presented in the mid-300s, said, "Do not, therefore, regard the bread and wine as simply that, for they are, according to the Master’s declaration, the body and blood of Christ. Even though the senses suggest to you the other, let faith make you firm. Do not judge in this matter by taste, but be fully assured by faith, not doubting that you have been deemed worthy
of the body and blood of Christ" (Catechetical Discourses: Mystagogic 4:22:9).


In a fifth-century homily, Theodore of Mopsuestia seemed to be speaking to today’s Evangelicals and Fundamentalists: "When [Christ] gave the bread he did not say, ‘This is the symbol of my body,’ but, ‘This is my body.’ In the same way, when he gave the cup of his blood he did not say, ‘This is the symbol of my blood,’ but, ‘This is my blood,’ for he wanted us to look upon the [Eucharistic elements], after their reception of grace and the coming of the Holy Spirit, not according to their nature, but to receive them as they are, the body and blood of our Lord" (Catechetical Homilies 5:1).

That is just a small sample.

And let us not forget St. Paul the Apostle...

Paul Confirms This
Paul wrote to the Corinthians: "The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?" (1 Cor. 10:16). So when we receive Communion, we actually participate in the body and blood of Christ, not just eat symbols of them. Paul also said, "Therefore whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. . . . For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself" (1 Cor. 11:27, 29). "To answer for the body and blood" of someone meant to be guilty of a crime as serious as homicide. How could eating mere bread and wine "unworthily" be so serious? Paul’s comment makes sense only if the bread and wine became the real body and blood of Christ.



Sooo, who's got it right? Who should we listen to regarding the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist? Jesus Christ our Lord and His true disciples and apostles like Paul, Justin Martyr, and other Church fathers? Or didymos the clown, whose argument consists of "no it's not!"?

Hmmmm that's a tough one! Hahaha :)


Christ in the Eucharist | Answers
 
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HA! So that just an IMAGE of Christ and not His actual flesh? You heretic! :p
There's didymos opening mouth and inserting foot once again.

"The Son is the IMAGE of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."

-Col 1:15
 
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didymos

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(...)Sooo, who's got it right? Who should we listen to regarding the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist? Jesus Christ our Lord and His true disciples and apostles like Paul, Justin Martyr, and other Church fathers? Or didymos the clown, whose argument consists of "no it's not!"?

Hmmmm that's a tough one! Hahaha :) (...)
Nope. For starters I don't take 5/6 th of your post seriously, only what you said about Paul, because that's scripture and the rest clearly isn't.(Theodore of Mopsuestia, really? Who the BEEP is that?) There's nothing in the quotes from Paul (and in scripture as a whole for that matter) that would suggest we LITERALLY eat Christ's flesh and drink His blood. The 'participation' is a symbolic, liturgical act with which we celebrate us being part of a whole of which Christ is Lord (call it a church or a congregation). It still is a solemn affair, that's why Paul urges us to determine if we're worthy of the Lord's Supper and behave when we partake. Thanks for the link, but no thinks, for me it's all 'papal bull.' :p
And btw, if you want me, or anyone else for that matter to take you seriously (why else are people like you at CC), you shouldn't resort to namecalling.
 

konroh

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Isaiah 53: 2 "He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him."

Is Jesus good-looking?

Or is He savior?
 
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I have no image of Jesus and it would only be a projection of my ego!
 

MESEAEAGLE

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A lot of the imagers of Jesus today are a variation of the shroud of Turin - older imagers even have the bruised left eye dating back 600 AD. The imagers of Jesus before 600 AD are varied and become the long hair beard face after.
 
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oldthennew

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when I think about His loving, what He did for all of us
and the way that He did all things with such a pureness
of character, unfathomable love, this is my daily bread and drink,
my reason for living.
I long to devour this gift of goodness every day of my life.
thankfulness just doesn't seem like enough, we must give back
a part of ourselves to Him everyday.
 
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TheClimaxWarrior

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every one of the images are incorrect......Isaiah 53 gives a good description.....Jesus was an average, ordinary Jew and there was no comeliness in him and nothing about him that would make you desire him outwardly.......
I get the tickles when I watch Cristiano Ronaldo hit super saiyan on the field. I cannot imagine what I'm gonna be like when I am with JESUS. I would be his shadow for sure vying for pole position. I know for a fact I just wouldn't get a enough of Him. He is the true personification of Heaven.
 

john832

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What Image do you have of Jesus?


Just watched "Heaven is for real" and afterwards I googled the child prodigy Akiane Kramarik.

Found that online, should we call Jesus for Joshua? What are your thoughts on that lol.
Rev 1:12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
Rev 1:14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
Rev 1:15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.