What is baptism of the Holy Spirit biblically?
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What I am trying to get at it here.. is so the topic is baptism of the Holy Spirit.
Now.. most people will look at 1 Corinthians 12:13 and conclude that this is a believer being baptised into the body of Christ and associate with receiving eternal life from Jesus.
I am contending that although yes.. it could figuratively be about receiving eternal life.. the actual context around the verse is not about this.
The picture of a 'body' here.. is of an entity that is pictured as local.. where members of it can suffer with each other if one suffers.. where one member is considered framed together with the whole.
One member is described as an individual part of a local body.
I can't see how this picture in 1 Corinthians 12 supports a universal, invisible body of every believer.
So I see it as a local church.. a local body of Christ.
Baptism in the passage being about full immersion baptism for joining a local church.
I can see how baptism of the Holy Spirit could figuratively be about receiving eternal life.. but I don't see that in scripture.
Now.. most people will look at 1 Corinthians 12:13 and conclude that this is a believer being baptised into the body of Christ and associate with receiving eternal life from Jesus.
I am contending that although yes.. it could figuratively be about receiving eternal life.. the actual context around the verse is not about this.
The picture of a 'body' here.. is of an entity that is pictured as local.. where members of it can suffer with each other if one suffers.. where one member is considered framed together with the whole.
One member is described as an individual part of a local body.
I can't see how this picture in 1 Corinthians 12 supports a universal, invisible body of every believer.
So I see it as a local church.. a local body of Christ.
Baptism in the passage being about full immersion baptism for joining a local church.
I can see how baptism of the Holy Spirit could figuratively be about receiving eternal life.. but I don't see that in scripture.
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The easiest way to explain the Holy Spirit is to read and study the book of Joel.
Let's see what the Bible says. Joel2:28-29 "And it shall come to pass afterward That
I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and daughters shall prophesy,Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions. Verse29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.This prophecy was fullfilled in Acts chapter2 on the day of Pentecost when the disciples were filled with the power of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking
In tongues. Acts1:8 But ye shall receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you.Most Christians receive the Holy Ghost after they've been saved awhile.Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit immediately. The Holy Ghost gives us power to obey God's Word. the Holy Ghost also empowers us for ministry. John 16:5-15 describes what the Holy Ghost does. To God be the Glory. Preacha24-7
Let's see what the Bible says. Joel2:28-29 "And it shall come to pass afterward That
I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and daughters shall prophesy,Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions. Verse29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants I will pour out My Spirit in those days.This prophecy was fullfilled in Acts chapter2 on the day of Pentecost when the disciples were filled with the power of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking
In tongues. Acts1:8 But ye shall receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you.Most Christians receive the Holy Ghost after they've been saved awhile.Paul was filled with the Holy Spirit immediately. The Holy Ghost gives us power to obey God's Word. the Holy Ghost also empowers us for ministry. John 16:5-15 describes what the Holy Ghost does. To God be the Glory. Preacha24-7
When you look at a group receiving the baptism, you forgot that the thing they all had in common was unity.
Acts 1:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
Acts 2, unity. Cornelius' family, unity.
The baptism can be given to a single person, or a group in unity.
Acts 5:29-32 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. [SUP]30 [/SUP]"The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. [SUP]31 [/SUP]"He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. [SUP]32 [/SUP]"And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
Now, we all know this isn't the receiving of the Spirit at salvation, because obedience comes after we're saved. This is a gift given to those indeed faithful to the Lord.
Acts 1:14 (NASB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]These all with one mind were continually devoting themselves to prayer, along with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with His brothers.
Acts 2, unity. Cornelius' family, unity.
The baptism can be given to a single person, or a group in unity.
Acts 5:29-32 (NASB)
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men. [SUP]30 [/SUP]"The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had put to death by hanging Him on a cross. [SUP]31 [/SUP]"He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. [SUP]32 [/SUP]"And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him."
Now, we all know this isn't the receiving of the Spirit at salvation, because obedience comes after we're saved. This is a gift given to those indeed faithful to the Lord.
No, the baptism with the Holy Spirit (with the confirmation of some tongues)
is given by Jesus Himself as a special anointing for ministry/service.
And, they most definitely need NOT be living a life faithful to the Lord.
The perfection gained through being fully sanctified usually doesn't come until later in one's walk.
Jesus has important work to be done, and He cannot wait for His sheep to be perfect. lol
Make any sense to anyone? Anyone have any sense?
is given by Jesus Himself as a special anointing for ministry/service.
And, they most definitely need NOT be living a life faithful to the Lord.
The perfection gained through being fully sanctified usually doesn't come until later in one's walk.
Jesus has important work to be done, and He cannot wait for His sheep to be perfect. lol
Make any sense to anyone? Anyone have any sense?
Okay, I think I see what you're saying. But I am not a part of your local gathering but the Holy Spirit could definitely use me here to strengthen or help you or build you up in your faith. Or vice versa. I am your sister in Christ whether on the internet, by phone, or in a pew beside you gathering together. Paul was every bit a member of those meeting in Corinth as he was of those meeting in Ephesus. Even when he wasn't present at one or the other. And collections were raised in one place for members of another gathering many miles away who faced hardship and needed help.
Ya, you are a sister in Christ no matter where you are. But what you are describing would be the Family of God, rather than a body of Christ.
The difference being, every believer vs a local New Testament assembly of saved baptised believers.
So ya any believer can encourage eachother no matter where they are.. but where the Holy Spirit actually dwells 'in the midst' is another thing.
The difference being, every believer vs a local New Testament assembly of saved baptised believers.
So ya any believer can encourage eachother no matter where they are.. but where the Holy Spirit actually dwells 'in the midst' is another thing.
The distinction is where you get a local body of believers .. a local church.. vs the wider entity of every believer.
The local body.. is a body of Christ.. that is what the bible teaches.
If the body of Christ were a universal, invisible entity.. it would not be assembled. It would not be a 'body'. It would be scattered and dis-assembled.. The bible describes the body of Christ as something that is together.. framed .. etc.. it is the same thing as 'the church'
The wider entity of every believer being part of the Family of God. This isn't the same as the body of Christ.
The local body.. is a body of Christ.. that is what the bible teaches.
If the body of Christ were a universal, invisible entity.. it would not be assembled. It would not be a 'body'. It would be scattered and dis-assembled.. The bible describes the body of Christ as something that is together.. framed .. etc.. it is the same thing as 'the church'
The wider entity of every believer being part of the Family of God. This isn't the same as the body of Christ.