What Is Romans 9 About?
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But the story of Lot has nothing to do with what Romans 9 is about. You are violating the hermeneutical principle of reading in circles of literary context. Lot has nothing to do with being a descendant of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Nor does he have anything to do with Pharaoh. God has mercy on who He elects, and who does He elect to show mercy? Only on those who have faith in Jesus Christ. It is really quite simple.
You need some serious study help. Try some 2 Timothy 2:15 and put an end to isolating Romans 9 from the rest of Scripture. It's asinine that you do this to this one text, your self made rule is nothing is allowed to be used outside of Romans 9 (not that we need to to prove Sovereign unconditional election, mind you) to prove what the text says plainly.
Scripture doesn't say "God has mercy on who <sic> he elects" it says he has mercy on whom he wills to show mercy. You really need to stop distorting the Word by writing in your own narrative.
It is really simple when you just make up your own gospel system which you are doing. Nothing in Scripture supports the above assertion.
The real issue is you and others don't like how God decreed to save, Sovereignly and only save those he chose based on nothing in them so you resort to twisting Scripture and become the Romans 9:20 man. God must fit into what you deem to be fair, if not you reject him.
It's called censuring God.
Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; James 1:18; John 1:13; 1 Peter 1:1-3; Ephesians 1:4. Scripture denies your gospel and adding to the word up above, writing it how you like it. You better get ready to meet God and change your views of him because in all reality he is different than the one you're preaching. Just imagine if you were Moses, and you asked God to show you his glory, and he did and told you what you needed to know about his character. Wonder what it was he told Moses about his immutable character? It wasn't what you wrote above, I'll tell you that much.
But carry on, you won't submit yourself to the God of Scripture, you'll just re-write it how you like it. Wonder who that makes God, really?
Scripture doesn't say "God has mercy on who <sic> he elects" it says he has mercy on whom he wills to show mercy. You really need to stop distorting the Word by writing in your own narrative.
It is really simple when you just make up your own gospel system which you are doing. Nothing in Scripture supports the above assertion.
The real issue is you and others don't like how God decreed to save, Sovereignly and only save those he chose based on nothing in them so you resort to twisting Scripture and become the Romans 9:20 man. God must fit into what you deem to be fair, if not you reject him.
It's called censuring God.
Note 1 Corinthians 1:26-31; 2 Thessalonians 2:13; James 1:18; John 1:13; 1 Peter 1:1-3; Ephesians 1:4. Scripture denies your gospel and adding to the word up above, writing it how you like it. You better get ready to meet God and change your views of him because in all reality he is different than the one you're preaching. Just imagine if you were Moses, and you asked God to show you his glory, and he did and told you what you needed to know about his character. Wonder what it was he told Moses about his immutable character? It wasn't what you wrote above, I'll tell you that much.
But carry on, you won't submit yourself to the God of Scripture, you'll just re-write it how you like it. Wonder who that makes God, really?
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Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
(Rom 9:32 KJV)
What is this Faith in which he speaks through the Spirit?
For Christ (Faith) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:4 KJV)
Christ and this Faith are one?
(Rom 9:32 KJV)
What is this Faith in which he speaks through the Spirit?
For Christ (Faith) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:4 KJV)
Christ and this Faith are one?
For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (the Divine utterances; Christ the Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law.) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
(Romans 10:6-8 Deut 30:10-14)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (the Divine utterances; Christ the Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law.) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.(Romans 10:6-8 Deut 30:10-14)
That which is stated in Romans 10 was first prophesied in Deut. 30. It was GOD’s intention for us to receive Christ our Faith. For it is HE that wants to work through us both will and do HIS good pleasure. This was since the time of Moses if not before. Deut. 30:6,10-14 prove this.
The statutes and commandments contained in the Book of the Law (Christ; the Word) were to be in our hearts. To be who we are! That is, the word of faith, which we preach. That is the GOSPEL and what Romans 9 is building up to!
The statutes and commandments contained in the Book of the Law (Christ; the Word) were to be in our hearts. To be who we are! That is, the word of faith, which we preach. That is the GOSPEL and what Romans 9 is building up to!
Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
(Rom 9:32 KJV)
What is this Faith in which he speaks through the Spirit?
For Christ (Faith) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:4 KJV)
Christ and this Faith are one?
(Rom 9:32 KJV)
What is this Faith in which he speaks through the Spirit?
For Christ (Faith) is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
(Rom 10:4 KJV)
Christ and this Faith are one?
For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) down from above Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (the Divine utterances; Christ the Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law.) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
(Romans 10:6-8 Deut 30:10-14)
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law. In other words the Word; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word (the Divine utterances; Christ the Anointed; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law.) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.(Romans 10:6-8 Deut 30:10-14)
That which is stated in Romans 10 was first prophesied in Deut. 30. It was GOD’s intention for us to receive Christ our Faith. For it is HE that wants to work through us both will and do HIS good pleasure. This was since the time of Moses if not before. Deut. 30:6,10-14 prove this.
The statutes and commandments contained in the Book of the Law (Christ; the Word) were to be in our hearts. To be who we are! That is, the word of faith, which we preach. That is the GOSPEL and what Romans 9 is building up to!
The statutes and commandments contained in the Book of the Law (Christ; the Word) were to be in our hearts. To be who we are! That is, the word of faith, which we preach. That is the GOSPEL and what Romans 9 is building up to!
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.
Romans 10:4 NLT
https://bible.com/bible/116/rom.10.4.NLT
Well, first, we must not violate truth.
Second, we must not violate God's attributes.
Third, we must not violate overall context of Holy Scriptures.
And then, lastly, we must not violate the local context of verses. This can be very relative to our beliefs, because one place in the Bible can explain another place in the Bible, even though contexts are different.
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But if your hermeneutical principles violate who God is, they are wrong or applied wrongly.
Second, we must not violate God's attributes.
Third, we must not violate overall context of Holy Scriptures.
And then, lastly, we must not violate the local context of verses. This can be very relative to our beliefs, because one place in the Bible can explain another place in the Bible, even though contexts are different.
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But if your hermeneutical principles violate who God is, they are wrong or applied wrongly.
And of course not one thing you've said above is true, nor have I stated it, nor do I believe it. Wonder why you're bearing false witness and not dealing with facts about yourself and the actual Scriptures?
You isolate Romans 9 from the rest of Scripture, and you won't listen to the Word or any form of truth, nor will you bow to the God of Scripture.
The fact remains you've censured God, and continue to do so. You, like many others have told God what he must be like to be God.
You isolate Romans 9 from the rest of Scripture, and you won't listen to the Word or any form of truth, nor will you bow to the God of Scripture.
The fact remains you've censured God, and continue to do so. You, like many others have told God what he must be like to be God.
The Lord saw everything before the earth came into being (Isaiah 46:10).
He therefore saw them who would believe in the cornerstone Christ, whose Way is love, mercy, truth and justice, and predestined these to be with Him.
Isaiah 46:10 [FONT="]Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/FONT]
He therefore saw them who would believe in the cornerstone Christ, whose Way is love, mercy, truth and justice, and predestined these to be with Him.
Isaiah 46:10 [FONT="]Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:[/FONT]
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You shouldn't expect anything less, or anything more because the fact is it isn't simple.
You're one who thinks the Gospel is only simple, and your definition of simple in context of what you write is "simpleton-ism." Somehow you think this makes you appear intelligent. Or something. Let me be the first to inform you it does just the opposite.
Any person, you included, who thinks Romans or the Gospel to be simple is just showing their ignorance of both.
Yes, I know, you departed from all teachers and discovered the truth on your own by your own personal self-attestation.
No person in the history of the church has ever displayed such self-importance or arrogance of reliance on self, or even saying "No, me and the Holy Spirit" in rebuttal and defense. The fact that you are "self taught" explains your many errors and unfortunately you'll more than likely remain there.
The multitudes of erroneous things you teach, and how you censure God just show you simply don't get it even though you claim it as so simple. You will not allow God to be God and have drawn out your own criteria that he must meet to be god, or he is not God and is not fair. Well known fact.
But I digress, at the least you profess to know Christ as the only way to heaven which is the most important thing.
You're one who thinks the Gospel is only simple, and your definition of simple in context of what you write is "simpleton-ism." Somehow you think this makes you appear intelligent. Or something. Let me be the first to inform you it does just the opposite.
Any person, you included, who thinks Romans or the Gospel to be simple is just showing their ignorance of both.
Yes, I know, you departed from all teachers and discovered the truth on your own by your own personal self-attestation.
No person in the history of the church has ever displayed such self-importance or arrogance of reliance on self, or even saying "No, me and the Holy Spirit" in rebuttal and defense. The fact that you are "self taught" explains your many errors and unfortunately you'll more than likely remain there.
The multitudes of erroneous things you teach, and how you censure God just show you simply don't get it even though you claim it as so simple. You will not allow God to be God and have drawn out your own criteria that he must meet to be god, or he is not God and is not fair. Well known fact.
But I digress, at the least you profess to know Christ as the only way to heaven which is the most important thing.
People make things hard. Not God. God wrote the gospel in a way a child can understand. If something is hard. I suggest we all study to find out what is making it so hard. I think (As I experienced it in my studies) when things appear to be hard. It was my hard heart making it hard. Not the words themselves.
Peter said some of Paul’s teachings were hard. And twisted. Of course they were heard. It is hard for a group of people who grew up living law and ritual and work to be told all those things were just symbols which would lead us to christ, and we are free from them. Many took what paul said and went 180 degrees. And became licentious because they did not understand. But the message, and the story is simple. God made it that way.
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Dude please go away. If you have some PROOF. Or you want to DISCUSS points in the word or counter arguments people make in certain passages, that people are trying to discuss. Then feel free, and by all means join the conversation.
But your simplistic, strawman attacks against anyone who disagrees with you is childish. You want to act like a kid who does not ghet their way and has to belittle others to make yourself look good. (Which is embarrassing and gives God and his people a bad name I may add) Then pleases, go do it someplace else,
Again, Your argument about censuring God could be used against yourself. Thus it is a non responsive remark. Which does nothing but puff yourself up.