What is sin?

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gb9

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sounds like you Hebrew roots guys have an argument with Paul, the council decision of Acts 15 about gentiles, James. because all these clearly state that we are no longer under the O.T. law, but wait, gentiles NEVER WERE.

how can ya'll read the New testament and come up with this still under the law stuff??
 

graceNpeace

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We are only free from the penalty UNTIL we have learnt to OVERCOME sin....being cleansed and purified....
if we wilfully reject or refuse to learn the lesson then eventually the penalty will be applied...in the lake of fire. No sinful person can enter the Kingdom of God.
This is exactly what the blood covering of Jesus Christ does for us!
We are not judged as sinless and perfect because we are sinless and perfect - we are judged sinless and perfect because Jesus Christ was, and is, sinless and perfect, and, we are covered by His blood, sinless and perfect.
This is all the Father sees - the blood of His beloved Son
 
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Galatians 3:23-25
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

We where under the Law disciplemike before Faith. The Law was our tutor which lead us to Christ. But now that we have been Justified by Faith we no longer have need of a tutor. Our tutor was the Law. Therefore all who have been Justified by Faith are no longer under the Law.

Therefore since you want to put yourself disciplemike back under the Law, we now have to question if you are walking with God by Faith or by keeping the Law?

The Law was given to show us we are sinners. Faith was given so we can walk in Righteousness with God. Grace was given so we can receive Salvation and enter into Paradise with Jesus.

The Law cannot make you Righteous. The Law cannot give you Grace. The Law cannot give you Salvation.

You are walking in blindness.
 

beta

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#45
You are wrong beta.

Our entrance into the Kingdom Of God is NOT based on us being sinless! Our entrance into the Kingdom of God is only based on our accepting of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

We cannot overcome sin because we live in sinful bodies. Why are you teaching we need to do Works to enter into the Kingdom of God?

We ARE cleansed and purified! We were cleansed and purified BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

So why beta are you teaching a different Gospel other then the one we have received from the Holy Spirit?

Do you not know that those who try to keep the Law are under the Law? We are under GRACE!
And grace allows you to be LAWLESS ?
 
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#46
The Law has been done away beta. There is no more Law. Its by Faith we walk with God. Not by the Law.

Why are you trying to put yourself back under the Law beta?

Either you walk with Jesus by Faith or you can continue to try and work for your Salvation by keeping the Law. But remember no one is Justified by keeping the Law.

Romans 3:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
 

beta

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#47
This is exactly what the blood covering of Jesus Christ does for us!
We are not judged as sinless and perfect because we are sinless and perfect - we are judged sinless and perfect because Jesus Christ was, and is, sinless and perfect, and, we are covered by His blood, sinless and perfect.
This is all the Father sees - the blood of His beloved Son
Mat 10v26 (Jesus speaking) for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed; and hid that shall not be known.
God knows what is hidden under Jesus blood. Sin is still there if you have not overcome it !
 

beta

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The Law has been done away beta. There is no more Law. Its by Faith we walk with God. Not by the Law.

Why are you trying to put yourself back under the Law beta?

Either you walk with Jesus by Faith or you can continue to try and work for your Salvation by keeping the Law. But remember no one is Justified by keeping the Law.

Romans 3:28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
And that is your problem ...you don't kmow the difference between spiritual law and works of the law.
Do you know which was abolished ? can't do...or you would not falsly accuse me.
 
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pottersclay

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#49
Imo sin is anti Christ the true term of anti Christ is (not against God ) but it is ( instead of God).
 
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eph610

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And grace allows you to be LAWLESS ?
Yes it does, Titus 2.11-15 says so

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, [SUP]12 [/SUP]instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
 
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eph610

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#51
Mat 10v26 (Jesus speaking) for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed; and hid that shall not be known.
God knows what is hidden under Jesus blood. Sin is still there if you have not overcome it !
Matt 10.24-26 says
[SUP]24 [/SUP]“A disciple is not above his teacher, nor a slave above his master. [SUP]25 [/SUP]It is enough for the disciple that he become like his teacher, and the slave like his master. If they have called the head of the house Beelzebul, how much more will they malign the members of his household! “26 Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known.

Matt 10.26 has zero to do with wahts covered and uncovered in the blood.

a text without a context is a pretext an you are pretexting all of 1 John 3.4 and Matt 10.26
 
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eph610

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And that is your problem ...you don't kmow the difference between spiritual law and works of the law.
Do you know which was abolished ? can't do...or you would not falsly accuse me.
John 13.33-35 tells you what the spiritual law is
 
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Yes it does, Titus 2.11-15 says so

[SUP]11 [/SUP]For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, [SUP]12 [/SUP]instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, [SUP]13 [/SUP]looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, [SUP]14 [/SUP]who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds.
Okay, slow down and read your own post.

He gave Himself to "redeem us from every lawless deed"

not so we can continue in "lawless deeds",

but to make a people who hate "lawless deeds" but are "zealous for good (lawful) deeds"

slow down and read.
 
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Lawless deeds are trying to obtain and maintain righteousness by "keeping the Law" and thus thinking that they are doing "good deeds". It is all self-righteousness. Matt. 7:15-23 This is an anti-Christ belief system and denies our Lord and Master.
 
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Lawless deeds are trying to obtain and maintain righteousness by "keeping the Law"
that is just not Scriptural.
so many western believers have to make up mumbo-jumbo because we can't admit we were tricked.
our pride is a bad thing.
lawless deeds are deeds against the law.

one more time.

"lawless deeds" are deeds that violate the law of God.

no twisting allowed.
 
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that is just not Scriptural.
so many western believers have to make up mumbo-jumbo because we can't admit we were tricked.
our pride is a bad thing.
lawless deeds are deeds against the law.

one more time.

"lawless deeds" are deeds that violate the law of God.

no twisting allowed.
No true Christians here are going to fall for this Law-keepers religion that denies the Lord Jesus Christ with it's anti-Christ beliefs.

Lawless deeds are those that violate the commandments of God in the New Covenant in 1 John 3:23 and replace them by their own self-efforts in trying to keep the Law for their righteousness.

Law-keepers have a very low opinion of the Law as they violate it continually - and they water it down to make it seem "do-able" in order to distort the gospel of the grace of Christ and His finished work for salvation and life. Law-keepers make the grace of Christ of no effect in the true believers life. Gal. 5:4
 
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that is just not Scriptural.
so many western believers have to make up mumbo-jumbo because we can't admit we were tricked.
our pride is a bad thing.
lawless deeds are deeds against the law.

one more time.

"lawless deeds" are deeds that violate the law of God.

no twisting allowed.
Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie.

Instead they come
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"ministers of righteousness".

They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness ( just like the Law-keeper religion ) so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.

This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14[/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

[SUP]15[/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )

This below scripture in 1 Peter 1:13 is what satan is really after...this is why he has false teachers in our midst. The "Law-keepers" religion is this very anti-Christ system.

He wants us to fall away from grace and depend on our own performance - like in the "law-keeping" religion that perverts the gospel of the grace of Christ for living and salvation.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 
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heavenly_bound

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And grace allows you to be LAWLESS ?
pls answer this, from Abraham until Moses, was there any law? so how did those who lived at that time lived then? its obvious that they lived without the law!!! why is it that when we present TRUTH from the word of God that, the law has been made obsolete, you now ask the question if grace allows lawlessness?
 
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It is what the modern "church" has taught you.
It is lies. It was even prophesied...

O YHVH, my strength and my stronghold, my refuge in the day of trouble, to you shall the nations come from the ends of the earth and say: "Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, worthless things in which there is no profit.
Jeremiah 16:19 (ESV2011, MBM)

The teaching you do is against the Messiah Himself. (wake up please)

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5:19 (KJV, MBM)

Admit it. We were tricked.
Of course justification only comes through faith in Messiah. Everyone knows this.
But to teach people NOT to obey God's commandments is a trick straight from hell.
Don't be tricked.
Wake up.

 
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pls answer this, from Abraham until Moses, was there any law? so how did those who lived at that time lived then? its obvious that they lived without the law!!! why is it that when we present TRUTH from the word of God that, the law has been made obsolete, you now ask the question if grace allows lawlessness?
Abraham kept Torah.
even Noah knew the difference between clean and unclean animals.
God's laws did not begin at Mt. Sinai.