What is sin?

[graceNpeace]

Sin cannot be defined just by the Law as outlined in the Torah.
Sin, for those who know the Torah, can be defined in terms of transgression of Levitical law.

However a majority of the world's population have never seen the Torah, never read it, and have never even heard that such a thing exists.
However, Paul, in Roman's explicitly explains how those who have never known the Torah are nevertheless guilty of sin, and therefore its ultimate consequence, which is death.
How can this be?
Simply put, we are all moral creatures, and no society on earth, no matter how primitive or advanced, has failed to produce a set of rules and a code of behaviour. This my be formalised as laws that are legislated or a much more informal process that governs behaviour.
These rules, codes, and laws variably incorporate many standards that would correspond with the law of God.
Transgressing these rules, codes, or laws produces the same result as transgressing Levitical law.

So, it can therefore truly be said that sin is rebellion against God. No matter the person, no matter the culture, no matter where in the world one lives one will be guilty of transgression.

 

[TMS]

How can sin be a violation of the Law when we are no longer under the Law but instead are under Grace disciplemike?

Can i steal your car? It's not a sin to steal we're not under the law.

The law still defines sin but by the grace of God we are free from the penalty. SIN is selfishness. God is Love.

 

[TMS]

The law was given because of sin. The principles never change.
God is love and the universe naturally obeys. To disobey the law of love is sin.
The Ten commandments are an expanded version of Love God and Love your neighbour.

 

[beta]

Can i steal your car? It's not a sin to steal we're not under the law.

The law still defines sin but by the grace of God we are free from the penalty. SIN is selfishness. God is Love.

We are only free from the penalty UNTIL we have learnt to OVERCOME sin....being cleansed and purified....
if we wilfully reject or refuse to learn the lesson then eventually the penalty will be applied...in the lake of fire. No sinful person can enter the Kingdom of God.

 

[Vdp]

We are no longer under sin. We are under Grace. And the Blood of Jesus HAS cleansed us of ALL our sins.

1 John 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.

We have no sin because every sin, past, present, and future sins have been washed clean by the Blood of Jesus.

We are NOT under the Law anymore, we are under Grace. Does this mean we can sin all we want? No. What it means is God will not look at our sins when He Judges us.

We are to walk with the Lord and sin no more. We are NOT to put ourselves back under the Law like the false prophets want us to do.

 

[Vdp]

You are wrong beta.

Our entrance into the Kingdom Of God is NOT based on us being sinless! Our entrance into the Kingdom of God is only based on our accepting of Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

We cannot overcome sin because we live in sinful bodies. Why are you teaching we need to do Works to enter into the Kingdom of God?

We ARE cleansed and purified! We were cleansed and purified BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS.

So why beta are you teaching a different Gospel other then the one we have received from the Holy Spirit?

Do you not know that those who try to keep the Law are under the Law? We are under GRACE!

 

[Adstar]

Sin is transgressing the will that God has for us..

 

[lastofall]

The voluntary departure from the morality prescribed by God.

 

[eph610]

Sin is a violation of God's law - not doing what God says. (1 John 3:4)
even a kid can understand.

Mike,
Are you a Messianic or Rabbinical Jew?

 

[Grace777x70]

Mike,
Are you a Messianic or Rabbinical Jew?

Mike is not Jewish at all. He is a gentile like most of us.

But in Christ we are all the same.....

Galatians 3:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[eph610]

Only the 'law contained in ordinances/works was abolished on the cross - Eph 2v15,
not the 10 Commandments which are a separate law....hence 1Joh 3v4, still stands in the NT.

The 10 were actually verbally given by God to Moses and the rest of the children of Israel at Sinai, when Jesus took his blood to the mercy seat in Heaven the 10 and other 603 were perfectly fulfilled. Christians were never or now under the Mosaic covenant. Jesus said he gave us a new commandment and Paul also confirms that new commandment in Romans 13.8-9.

1 John 3 and all of 1 John is John teaching us to deal with gnostic doctrine and the spirit of anti christs. Using 1 John 3.4 to define SIN is a pretext.

 

[resurrection33]

Martin Luther saw sin, "as a seething rebellion".

Martin Luther also said, "Sin is rooted in unbelief, in the failure to entrust oneself entirely to God". (Luther, preface to Romans).

This was back during the Reformation of the Church.

How do you see Sin?

I think sin is when we break one of the Lord's commandments.

 

[RBA238]

Anything that separates us from God, missing the mark, as the word means in Hebrew, especially.

If it is not of God, no matter how positive it seems, it is not worthwhile. We may not be worshiping golden calves, but certainly we all need to deal daily with sin in our lives. (Or is that topic still taboo!?)

Born in SIN, and shapend in iniiqity

 

[eph610]

Sin simply put is two parts. The sin of pride (or self righteousness ) and the sin of pleasure ( which it's roots are the sin of pride) so that's one. The second is dis obedience, which can be pride as well. So they can both be one and there is original sin into which we are born into and are slaves to it unless we kneel at the cross. So to sum it up all sin is a direct result of pride (or self righteousness) which is the same sin that the Devil committed. The only answer to sin, no matter who you are, no matter how long you have attended church, is the Cross of Christ. Why it's not preached, I don't understand. If you are bound by sin , fasting won't help you, doing works won't help you. Reading the bible is good but, will not help you, praying longer will not help you. We must place our faith in the work of the Cross as it is the only thing the Father will accept and the only thing that delivers from sin. Amen

Sounds like swaggert confusion has taken root in you. The cross means nothing, it was the man on the cross and his shed blood and broken body that was for the forgiveness of sin and the deliverance from the powers of darkness. Putting faith in the wood saves nobody, confessing with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believing that God raised him from the dead saves you.

For the record Jesus is still not on the cross, he died for our sins, was buried and rose again. Swaggert and his boy Donny and all his ministry keep Jesus on the Cross as idol, the refute the last 2 parts of 1 Cor 15.3, which means they teach and preach a false and incomplete Gospel. Swaggert teaches the Bronze Snake theology and it very well hidden but none the less very deceptive and a false teaching.

 

[eph610]

Mike is not Jewish at all. He is a gentile like most of us.

But in Christ we are all the same.....

Galatians 3:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Thanks grace, I should have rephrased my question better.
There are many gentiles that practice Messianic Judaism and most arguments on chat boards like this are easily smoothed out by asking them if they practice it. Messianic Jews are born again, but for sake of heritage or cultural learning they still follow the laws, the diet and feasts.

 

[eph610]

Can i steal your car? It's not a sin to steal we're not under the law.

The law still defines sin but by the grace of God we are free from the penalty. SIN is selfishness. God is Love.

Romans 13.8-10
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For this, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP]10 [/SUP]Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

I do not steal my neighbors car because I am obligated to obey the law and because I have not broken the law and I will then not be judged or punished by God , which demands me to obey his Law.

I do not steal my neighbors car because I love my neighbor as Jesus loved me. By showing my neighbor love, I invite him to relationship with Jesus based on love and not invite him to religion based on law.

The law says I must do for me or else......Love says I do for others because he did for me.

 

[eph610]

We are only free from the penalty UNTIL we have learnt to OVERCOME sin....being cleansed and purified....
if we wilfully reject or refuse to learn the lesson then eventually the penalty will be applied...in the lake of fire. No sinful person can enter the Kingdom of God.

You do have the power to overcome SIN, its called CHOICE...SIN is choice.

 

[mpaper345]

Martin Luther saw sin, "as a seething rebellion".

Martin Luther also said, "Sin is rooted in unbelief, in the failure to entrust oneself entirely to God". (Luther, preface to Romans).

This was back during the Reformation of the Church.

How do you see Sin?

I see sin as selfishness,rebellion,hurtful to people around them for it offends.

 

[disciplemike]

Thanks grace, I should have rephrased my question better.
There are many gentiles that practice Messianic Judaism and most arguments on chat boards like this are easily smoothed out by asking them if they practice it. Messianic Jews are born again, but for sake of heritage or cultural learning they still follow the laws, the diet and feasts.

I don't care who you are, if you DON'T follow God's dietary laws and His Holy Feast Days, then you are serving a compromised version of the truth.

 

[disciplemike]

Mike,
Are you a Messianic or Rabbinical Jew?

I wonder why you would ask that question, based on 1John3.4?